Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

[dad4]

Ok. If lesser clubs are all you know, I’m not surprised you think that. If you’ve never seen practices at a club that has virtually every kid in three age groups committed to D1 pushing each other to improve at every practice, ok. If you’ve never seen a recruitment process essentially begin and end when the club coach picks up the phone and talks to the coach at the college where your kid would like to go, also ok. If you’ve never watched a club game in which every kid on the field will eventually play D1 and is attended by 75 college coaches, ok.

If you want to take your chances your way, go for it. As I’ve said, there’s more than one way to get recruited. But your way is more likely to land your kid at Northridge even if they belong at Santa Clara or Cal, or at Santa Clara instead of UCLA.

Enough with the college sales pitch BS.

You know, and I know, that a 10 year old girl at Blues is more likely to have knee surgery or a concussion than a scholarship to UCLA or Stanford.

Want to go to UCLA? Great. Study up. About 60 kids got into UCLA by playing soccer. There are over 30,000 kids who got into UCLA by studying.

 

[shales1002]

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No, I am not making any argument. My kid doesn’t play club soccer. I was just following the debate for information purposes.
@EOTL and @dad4 have put forth clear and compelling reasons as to why folks in California should not have to travel.

I was waiting for you to put forth reasons why you think folks in California should incur great expense (time & money) to develop kids they don’t know in AZ or NV. I think your response that AZ & NV are part of ECNL and if you don’t like it, join another league is lame as fuck and only breeds unnecessary resentment.
Why can’t you put forth any valid reasons? Why are you alienating folks instead of compelling them to collaborate with you?

@Desert Hound responded to the question sufficiently. You just chose not to accept his answer. It seriously isn’t a great expense in the grand scheme of things. ONE trip in fall and ONE in the spring is not going to make or break anything for travel teams. As someone stated earlier, consider it a college prequel. To come on hear and to complain about TWO trips per year is just annoying af. You want to hear something even crazier, with all of the travel Nevada and Arizona teams do to SoCal, we probably pay much less then the SoCal teams pay for their “local” games from what I’m hearing, Also, driving from San Diego to anywhere in the valley Or even L.A. can take 3 hours. Talk about frustration.

I already answered your question....just in case you missed it.

There are some things that money just can’t buy. When I ask my DD what are some of her favorite memories, and to hear her say team travel, travel with her parents/family , or about a random adventure that happened while traveling. To hear stories about the times we went to this place or that place, to hear the joy in her stories is worth more than $300. She will always have those moments and memories. I’m glad I’m in the position for her to have these experiences. I’m just lucky that I have had WAY more travel memories than most of those in SoCal who complain about driving up the 405.

 

[dad4]

@Desert Hound responded to the question sufficiently. You just chose not to accept his answer. It seriously isn’t a great expense in the grand scheme of things. ONE trip in fall and ONE in the spring is not going to make or break anything for travel teams. As someone stated earlier, consider it a college prequel. To come on hear and to complain about TWO trips per year is just annoying af. You want to hear something even crazier, with all of the travel Nevada and Arizona teams do to SoCal, we probably pay much less then the SoCal teams pay for their “local” games from what I’m hearing, Also, driving from San Diego to anywhere in the valley Or even L.A. can take 3 hours. Talk about frustration.

I already answered your question....just in case you missed it.

There are some things that money just can’t buy. When I ask my DD what are some of her favorite memories, and to hear her say team travel, travel with her parents/family , or about a random adventure that happened while traveling. To hear stories about the times we went to this place or that place, to hear the joy in her stories is worth more than $300. She will always have those moments and memories. I’m glad I’m in the position for her to have these experiences. I’m just lucky that I have had WAY more travel memories than most of those in SoCal who complain about driving up the 405.

On what basis do you say that two trips a year isn’t make or break for anyone?

There are plenty of families for whom just paying their share of a coach is a stretch. An extra thousand dollars per kid each year can really hurt.

If you are rich enough that trips are minor expenses, then good for you. But at least have the courtesy to understand that not everyone is in the same situation.

Otherwise, you are effectively saying that “I am rich, and I am happy for high level soccer to be organized solely for the convenience of people like me.”

 

[EOTL]

@Desert Hound responded to the question sufficiently. You just chose not to accept his answer. It seriously isn’t a great expense in the grand scheme of things. ONE trip in fall and ONE in the spring is not going to make or break anything for travel teams. As someone stated earlier, consider it a college prequel. To come on hear and to complain about TWO trips per year is just annoying af. You want to hear something even crazier, with all of the travel Nevada and Arizona teams do to SoCal, we probably pay much less then the SoCal teams pay for their “local” games from what I’m hearing, Also, driving from San Diego to anywhere in the valley Or even L.A. can take 3 hours. Talk about frustration.

I already answered your question....just in case you missed it.

There are some things that money just can’t buy. When I ask my DD what are some of her favorite memories, and to hear her say team travel, travel with her parents/family , or about a random adventure that happened while traveling. To hear stories about the times we went to this place or that place, to hear the joy in her stories is worth more than $300. She will always have those moments and memories. I’m glad I’m in the position for her to have these experiences. I’m just lucky that I have had WAY more travel memories than most of those in SoCal who complain about driving up the 405.

Except those aren’t the only two trips SoCal clubs make. They also typically make trips for showcases that actually mean something. Everyone’s kids have meaningful travel experiences, but that doesn’t mean they need to be to play your kid’s crappy club. No one is going to look back fondly on that trip except the one bench player who got her one hat trick.

You’re still just arguing that people should do what’s best for you, although it makes no sense for them. It’s only a matter of time until ECNL adds more crap clubs in your region so that everyone gets what makes sense. Then if you want to play real teams, you can play at Surf Cup and ECNL showcases.

 

[LB Mom 78]

curious as to how you know this to be a fact?

Do you know of a promise made to Beach and Legends to get into ECNL if they perform well enough in ECRL? Do a certain number of ECRL teams have to perform well or just one? Where did the promise rumor come from in the first place? Are the Beach and Legends coaches telling families this?

 

[shales1002]

Except those aren’t the only two trips SoCal clubs make. They also typically make trips for showcases that actually mean something. Everyone’s kids have meaningful travel experiences, but that doesn’t mean they need to be to play your kid’s crappy club. No one is going to look back fondly on that trip except the one bench player who got her one hat trick.

You’re still just arguing that people should do what’s best for you, although it makes no sense for them. It’s only a matter of time until ECNL adds more crap clubs in your region so that everyone gets what makes sense. Then if you want to play real teams, you can play at Surf Cup and ECNL showcases.

Jeez someone didn’t take his happy pill this morning. So out of state ECNL teams are crappy? Right Wrong club if think hat tricks are happening...especially not with my DD. That’s actually pretty laughable. You know...go take TWO happy pills and have a nice day.

 

[46n2]

We have had some amazing memories traveling and when things get tough we take a look at who can and can't go. Maybe not all five of us go this time and maybe its just 2 of us. Maybe just the player...you get to a point that you know there is going to be travel involved and then make a commitment to the team , you don't decide to leave mid way, you don't decide to not go on these trips and let you team down, you crunch your options.
Make a educated decision on what's important to you and go from there. If your player is riding the pine and gets minimal playing time then I would not recommend being on a heavy travel based team and go where playing time makes sense, I know I would not be traveling if my kids wasn't playing the amount of time they do.
Some clubs travel less, thats ok, other clubs with higher ranked teams travel more sometimes all they do is look for competition, one year I paid over 16k in fees maybe a bit more with all the travel and WE loved it and still talk about all the games and WINS we had.

Its not that we are rich or that we don't understand everyone is not in the same position , its that our expectation is that you signed up for this , you can't sit here ,sign on the dotted line , then start complaining, go play elsewhere then. Nobody made anybody here join the team. If you cannot afford to pay dues and travel cost its nobody's fault, period.

Soccer is a beautiful sport that anyone can play and enjoy at any price.

Free go to the park or pick a rec league
Little bit more competition and commitment play club-Plenty of choices....and levels if ECNL is too much travel Id really take a step back and make some hard decisions here.
Wanna see how you DD/BB are stacked up Nationally/Worldwide , get on one of the best teams in the area and strap in...

Road trips are awesome, yes expensive at times , but awesome....we make changes to make sure we can fulfill our commitment to all the players on the team.

You have a 20 yr window with these kids , have the best time possible

 

[dad4]

Think of it this way. There is a skill question, and a money question. Having one doesn’t guarantee the other.

Where do you think high skill low money players belong?

I believe the high skill low money players belong in the same league as any other high skill players. This is because my daughter wants to play against the best. Not just the best who can afford it.

 

[vegasguy]

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No, I am not making any argument. My kid doesn’t play club soccer. I was just following the debate for information purposes.
@EOTL and @dad4 have put forth clear and compelling reasons as to why folks in California should not have to travel.

I was waiting for you to put forth reasons why you think folks in California should incur great expense (time & money) to develop kids they don’t know in AZ or NV. I think your response that AZ & NV are part of ECNL and if you don’t like it, join another league is lame as fuck and only breeds unnecessary resentment.
Why can’t you put forth any valid reasons? Why are you alienating folks instead of compelling them to collaborate with you?

Ok here is the arguement of the Socal parent. We are socal and our players are so good no reason for us to go anywhere. There are no good teams in NV and AZ so why go. There are no good players in AZ and NV and our third team has better players than their teams because well look at us we are socal. We have the best and are the best and when we lose to a AZ or NV team it is because we had to travel for one game or are starters were sick or injured, or the food was poor at the hotel or we played not up our Level but down to theirs. Don't get us started on showcases When we go to a showcase and play that Indiana we don't understand why we play such a lowly group of kids. That is the arguement you put forth.

In reality is is exclusionary and saying AZ and NV do not deserve a seat at our table. I have seen fifty coaches and the majority were D1 on a sideline of our second composite team and the reality is AZ and NV are placing girls in college at a high % and doing it consistently. We have the tougher schedule. When we travel to you all, you have no game on Saturday and play us on Sunday after a day where we played a previous game. Benefit to you. ECNL is a platform that has a cost. Apple watch has a cost and if you do not want one you do not buy it. When you join ECNL you understand the cost. If you do not want to incur the cost and play very good teams from AZ and NV do not make the purchase. Their are great Gold level CSL Presidio and SCDSL teams that are promoting players as well.

@MacDre before you go where you know you want to go.. this is not that arguement.

 

[vegasguy]

Think of it this way. There is a skill question, and a money question. Having one doesn’t guarantee the other.

Where do you think high skill low money players belong?

I believe the high skill low money players belong in the same league as any other high skill players. This is because my daughter wants to play against the best. Not just the best who can afford it.

99% of us do too and that is why there are clubs giving dues away to underprivileged players. That is why we team travel putting 4 girls in a room together. That is why coaches forgo fees and why we fundraise. Understand Socal in their greatness have clubs due in excess of 3x that of others states sometimes.

 

[46n2]

Think of it this way. There is a skill question, and a money question. Having one doesn’t guarantee the other.

Where do you think high skill low money players belong?

I believe the high skill low money players belong in the same league as any other high skill players. This is because my daughter wants to play against the best. Not just the best who can afford it.

Not arguing like the other poster said- here's my 2 points

I hope you guys are good and having alot of fun , its just soccer. if your daughter belongs on a great team that travels and plays the best , then expect to pay like the rest of us or get funding somehow from someone or somewhere, its just life.....all you can do is find that team she wants to play on , have her work her butt off and EARN her spot. Any high-level team after 14yr old , all the players deserves to be there. Money can't buy this on these levels.

Money versus Skill has nothing to do with if you players are not in that league, if your DD is skilled(awesome and great to hear) , try out and they will make sure that she makes the team.

Ive never seen a coach turn down a highly skilled player due to cost, never.

Its typically the level of commitment the parent is not willing to sign up for, or its the father that is bat shit crazy like some of the posters on here that leave mid season, complain about playing time or constantly talk about being lied too 5 yrs ago and ruin it for their kids. Small world and all coaches talk....

We all want to help anyone and if you need a little push , find that team that she likes and go for it,!!!! If the cost are high and your worried about how your going to afford it(Like all of us) Id say the coach will say, let me work on some things and he'll make it happen.

Good luck high skill low income isn't a realistic topic . Good Luck

 

[Kicker4Life]

Do you know of a promise made to Beach and Legends to get into ECNL if they perform well enough in ECRL? Do a certain number of ECRL teams have to perform well or just one? Where did the promise rumor come from in the first place? Are the Beach and Legends coaches telling families this?

I know what I know and I know what I’ve been told and I’ve shared this.

 

[Jose has returned]

Wasn't this lawsuit one of the reasons the DA folded?......DA is back on everyone. JK
https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-...ook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

 

[LB Mom 78]

I know what I know and I know what I’ve been told and I’ve shared this.

Wasn't this lawsuit one of the reasons the DA folded?......DA is back on everyone. JK
https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-...ook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Maybe they will collectively bargain a better deal for themselves next time. Until then, they will have to live up to the legal binding contract that the parties agreed to.

 

[Jose has returned]

Maybe they will collectively bargain a better deal for themselves next time. Until then, they will have to live up to the legal binding contract that the parties agreed to.

i agree. bad contract. i hope they negotiate and get the best deal they can.
I've been stuck with a bad contract but go through it and we did better the next time

 

[EOTL]

Think of it this way. There is a skill question, and a money question. Having one doesn’t guarantee the other.

Where do you think high skill low money players belong?

I believe the high skill low money players belong in the same league as any other high skill players. This is because my daughter wants to play against the best. Not just the best who can afford it.

Great, we can subsidize those kids with the $600 everyone saves when they no longer need to travel to NV and AZ for easy wins.

 

[SoccerGuru]

I know what I know and I know what I’ve been told and I’ve shared this.

I would just be concerned about what was actually said between ecnl and beach. If you are staying due to distance I completely get it but if it’s for ecnl the following year, I’m not sure if that’s the case. Let’s say for instance, ecnl told Beach no ecnl until 2022. Would beach really tell their parents so they defect or tell them we are going to work hard to find the best situation possible......and so on. They need the parents to pay money so they can keep running the club. If you stay for opportunity in ecnl, that seems very uncertain but if it’s because you don’t want to drive and are fine with whatever happens. I get it.
Would you stay if next year you find out they are not ecnl again?

 

[Desert Hound]

Great, we can subsidize those kids with the $600 everyone saves when they no longer need to travel to NV and AZ for easy wins.

How much do you spend on your trips to SD or from SD to LA? Many of those games are back to back Sat or Sun games. You are driving and getting hotels for some of those trips. That cost is being very optimistic $150. More realistic is $200 plus.

Why travel for those?

The difference to AZ is maybe $100 for a trip. So please stop bitching.

It is not like playing AZ and NV is $300 more vs going down to SD or driving up to LA. Those local trips that many times include hotel are at least $200.

So not a big difference. You make it seem like hey if we didn't do Az or NV we would save $300 per person while you overlook many of the local trips you make also include travel.

If you as a parent don't like travel the solution is simple. Join a local league. After all you keep telling us that there are plenty of great clubs not in ECNL that are nearby.

 

[Desert Hound]

Great, we can subsidize those kids with the $600 everyone saves when they no longer need to travel to NV and AZ for easy wins.

So maybe subsidize LA teams doing overnight trips in SD?

Or if from SD subsidize those teams for their overnights in LA.

You are already traveling and spending cash.

And you and many others argue why travel?

I agree...why do overnights in SD? After all you have all that great competition in LA. And if in SD, why do overnights in LA if you have all that good competition in SD?

Join a local league and all your problems are solved.

 

[Kicker4Life]

I would just be concerned about what was actually said between ecnl and beach. If you are staying due to distance I completely get it but if it’s for ecnl the following year, I’m not sure if that’s the case. Let’s say for instance, ecnl told Beach no ecnl until 2022. Would beach really tell their parents so they defect or tell them we are going to work hard to find the best situation possible......and so on. They need the parents to pay money so they can keep running the club. If you stay for opportunity in ecnl, that seems very uncertain but if it’s because you don’t want to drive and are fine with whatever happens. I get it.
Would you stay if next year you find out they are not ecnl again?

My DD’s wanted to stay because of their Coach.

No promises were made....Next year is next year.....

 

[EOTL]

So maybe subsidize LA teams doing overnight trips in SD?

Or if from SD subsidize those teams for their overnights in LA.

You are already traveling and spending cash.

And you and many others argue why travel?

I agree...why do overnights in SD? After all you have all that great competition in LA. And if in SD, why do overnights in LA if you have all that good competition in SD?

Join a local league and all your problems are solved.

Well sure, if going to SD isn’t helpful for LA clubs, that makes sense. But the problem with your logic is you are heading to the logical extreme of why bother play games at all because it requires leaving the house.

Going to SD for league games makes sense, unlike AZ or NV. There are a lot of good teams in SD, and you need a lot of good teams in a league like ECNL draw players/customers and make the league a success. It also challenges players. There aren’t enough excellent clubs in just LA to do that. Plus, going to SD is never nearly as expensive or as time consuming as travel to AZ or NV.

Some travel is helpful. But travel to AZ or NV for one game is not.