Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Ellejustus said:
Opps. I thought you or maybe Tech said that coaches from ECNL were already calling your clubs goats? Maybe I read that wrong brah :) I know many parents are calling the ECNL clubs, not the coaches from ECNL calling parents and poaching. STX is saying that is happenning in Texas as we speak. Its 90% the parents calling in SoCal. Like I sad months ago, they were already calling. Now they are calling the ECNL coach even more. Why? Because you slept with US Soccer. Not a good brand right now. You chose that bed and you were very very proud of US Soccer. You all bragged about it every week. You put down ECNL and called it names like corrupt, Monopoly and so on. Now you want in and want clubs like Rebels to be kicked out. I don;t think so. Them days are over. My advice to all your Docs. Take care of your customers and they won;t want to leave.
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Well, I matter what, your still a bit disillusioned. You insinuated that I said Kids we’re leaving. I just said its a feeding frenzy. You can figure out who the predators are who sniff wounded bait. You keep trying to insult me that I chose US Soccer and I insult ECNL. The “monopoly” was the DOC’s in SoCal (you repeatedly say are corrupt) keeping Clubs out bc of the fertile recruiting grounds. Not ECNL as and organization. I have always chosen the Coach over the League or level of play and it’s worked out pretty well for both my DD’s.

Stop trying to spin the facts.

We can both agree that a singular league with Promotion/Relegation is good for Soccer.

You keep throwing some threat of head to head competition at me like i should be concerned. Is it intentional or am I misreading you?
 
Kicker if they go back to the old age groups then the Honey Badgers will be doing an 03-04 team. $25 uniforms and coaching fee is just a nice bottle of whiskey. Time to have some fun again. Your kid can train every day on her own and have fun on the weekends.
Ellejustus- how long did you take a break from the forums for really? US Soccer is forming a parent advisory board. I told them i was busy but gave them your number. You should be getting a call by Monday.
 
STX said:
FC Dallas got screwed royally. They are the best boys club in the country and a top 10 girls club. Probably have the best facilities in the country, too. There are something like 20 YNT players at the club. No downward spiral. Quite the opposite.

However the rival Dallas clubs see an opportunity to go for the kill and are taking it. Same thing is happening in the former DA Frontier Conference at Austin (Lonestar) and Houston (Dash) and Oklahoma City (Energy).

The DA clubs in each of those towns are better than the local ECNL club (significantly so in most cases), but the ECNL clubs have coordinated to keep the ex-DA clubs out and plan to poach players.

Not exactly "unification of top clubs" like Lavers has presented, but the ECNL clubs are tickled pink with what has transpired. Meanwhile last year's ECNL players are nearly as nervous about all this as last year's DA Players. It's an open secret their coaches are now actively trying to replace them with new recruits.

Good times.
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Happening in several other places in the country too, same exact situation
 
girlsrule7 said:
Happening in several other places in the country too, same exact situation
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Definitely happening on girls side in Chicago, where ECNL board member, and NWSL coach wants no competition for best players. Everyone figures Chicago will be stuck with just one ECNL franchise forever. They want more trophies, not what would be best for youth soccer.

Detroit will be interesting to watch as well, Hawks, like several well connected clubs have two ECNL teams per age... this situation is perfect for upgrading the B team so I don't expect Jags or Nationals to get an ECNL invite either.

Midwest GDA clubs trying to form an alliance and start up their own league, but that will be unattractive to most.

TopHat in Atlanta, as of yesterday, has no invite.

It could very well be the boys landscape is taking up all of Lavers' attention, but in the absence of any instruction up top the local gang lords are just using this as an opportunity to actively recruit the GDA rosters, not improve the ECNL product. Ex-GDA clubs in many parts of the country will probably end up falling back into US Youth Soccer Regional and National Leagues... If they can figure out ways to coordinate with state based leagues we might actually be able to return to a more sane landscape than the crap that most regions have endured. National league will go back to being a respectable 2nd behind ECNL, and maybe their will be some kind of real re-birth for ODP... or not.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Only way that happens is if the parents don’t have enough faith in the Coaching staff at DA Clubs who have to swallow the bitter pill and play ECRL to prove their way up like Pats chose to do.

These times will show who really believes in “Follow the Coach, not the League”........
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@Kicker I think this is a great theory that is not going to work in the current political climate of girls youth soccer. I think your kid is at risk of falling out of favor if she doesn’t switch to a team in a more competitive league. I think clubs like Beach are going to experience “brain drain” as their best players move to the most competitive league to maintain form and remain in favor with USSF which will make it almost impossible to get promoted.
 
STX said:
I'll add to clarify... The FC Dallas boys will be fine and will probably remain the top boys club in the country.

And while the girls may end up just fine, too, there appears to be a concerted effort by others to not make it so.
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I have heard from that several factors are working against FCd Getting back into ECNL possibly the biggest one is apparently the suit against ECNL last summer didn’t sit well.
 
It snowed here over night (shoot me) so i decided to look into this a bit deeper. Only 17 of the top 75 clubs on the Soccer Wire top 100 list are former DA teams who have not yet gotten into ECNL. Most of them have a pretty influential ECNL neighbor.

Former DA Club ECNL competitor

Top Hat Concord Fire
FC Dallas Solar/Sting/DKSC
Legends Arsenal
Beach Slammers/Blues/Strikers
Earth Quakes MVLA
FC Virginia Louden
NEFC FC Stars of MA
Sporting BV KC Athletics
Cincinnati DA Ohio Elite
Lonestar Sting Austin
LA Galaxy Slammers/Blues/Strikers
SS Select Scorpions SC
Nationals Michigan Hawks
Albion SD Surf
Galaxy SD SD Surf
Reign Crossfire Premiere
Houston Dash Albion Hurricanes
 
Kicker4Life said:
Well, I matter what, your still a bit disillusioned. You insinuated that I said Kids we’re leaving. I just said its a feeding frenzy. You can figure out who the predators are who sniff wounded bait. You keep trying to insult me that I chose US Soccer and I insult ECNL. The “monopoly” was the DOC’s in SoCal (you repeatedly say are corrupt) keeping Clubs out bc of the fertile recruiting grounds. Not ECNL as and organization. I have always chosen the Coach over the League or level of play and it’s worked out pretty well for both my DD’s.

Stop trying to spin the facts.

We can both agree that a singular league with Promotion/Relegation is good for Soccer.

You keep throwing some threat of head to head competition at me like i should be concerned. Is it intentional or am I misreading you?
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Thanks for calling me delusional again. Plus you said your life is better than mine too, lets not forget that elitist comment.....lol!! I spin facts? That is so funny :) :) :) You have been baiting me bro ever since I started posting here last July and I played your dumb game with your buddy Lastman. I told you 100% about the dangers of the "Jim Jones Express Boat Ride" you and the most of us were all on. I just got off earlier and by choice I might add. I want the best teams & players to play Kicker and so does my dd. For example, I asked her this question the other day. "Hey sweetie, would you rather win a CIF Soccer Championship but most of the top players can't play because of the GDA rules or would you rather lose in the 1st round of CIF because every kid that was top top player for their HS Schools played too? Guess which one she picked Kicker? I never said all Docs are corrupt either or all coaches. I always trying to say, "Doc and coaches in club soccer seem to be snakes ((not all)). I also know you are the wisest dad on here. Always picking the right coach and Doc. You should write a book to teach all the younger parents how to pick the right coach. I will give you that. I picked wrong many times my friend. My dd, she has been spot on with her insights 90% of the time and her decisions have been way better than mine. Lastly, you and Lastman have no idea my competitive make up. You guys keep taking my fun "head to head" challenges as a threat. Bro, you could kick my ass Kicker and I'm sure Lastman can too. It's a friendly competition and you and Lastman are misreading me. I did want to see the non GDA all star 04 team play against this years U16 GNT goat team. Again, I want to see how my dd compares against Americas top 16 year olds. That was just fantasy bro, I promise and I don;t see that match up ever happening. Look, I swear to you when I went to Main Beach in 1983 to play pick up ball one day, I challenged Kevin Mcgee ((UCI Center that was stud)) to one on one. He laughed at me. I pestered that dude all morning and said things like, "I know I can beat you." "You can;t make a shot passed 10 ft." "I'll even let you camp in the paint for 5 seconds." and stuff like that. Guess what Kicker, he finally had enough of my sh*t and played me one on one. He won 10-2. I was up 2-0 and talking so much crap that he got the next 10 on me. Its all fun bro. Please, don;t take me so serious. I will share more about why we left Coach Rogers and why we almost quit club and just focused with HS Soccer. You get free soccer with an excellent coach. Pre-season in the fall, games in the winter and track in the Spring. No travel either. What makes you think I will pay all this money with another year of division? Right now, I am 50/50. That be the truth. Bro, HS Soccer looks like the place to be imo. Go back and read my posts.
 
Surf Zombie said:
It snowed here over night (shoot me) so i decided to look into this a bit deeper. Only 17 of the top 75 clubs on the Soccer Wire top 100 list are former DA teams who have not yet gotten into ECNL. Most of them have a pretty influential ECNL neighbor.

Former DA Club ECNL competitor

Top Hat Concord Fire
FC Dallas Solar/Sting/DKSC
Legends Arsenal
Beach Slammers/Blues/Strikers
Earth Quakes MVLA
FC Virginia Louden
NEFC FC Stars of MA
Sporting BV KC Athletics
Cincinnati DA Ohio Elite
Lonestar Sting Austin
LA Galaxy Slammers/Blues/Strikers
SS Select Scorpions SC
Nationals Michigan Hawks
Albion SD Surf
Galaxy SD SD Surf
Reign Crossfire Premiere
Houston Dash Albion Hurricanes
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Keep in mine too that these rankings will look different for 2020-2021
 
Surf Zombie said:
It snowed here over night (shoot me) so i decided to look into this a bit deeper. Only 17 of the top 75 clubs on the Soccer Wire top 100 list are former DA teams who have not yet gotten into ECNL. Most of them have a pretty influential ECNL neighbor.

Former DA Club ECNL competitor

Top Hat Concord Fire
FC Dallas Solar/Sting/DKSC
Legends Arsenal
Beach Slammers/Blues/Strikers
Earth Quakes MVLA
FC Virginia Louden
NEFC FC Stars of MA
Sporting BV KC Athletics
Cincinnati DA Ohio Elite
Lonestar Sting Austin
LA Galaxy Slammers/Blues/Strikers
SS Select Scorpions SC
Nationals Michigan Hawks
Albion SD Surf
Galaxy SD SD Surf
Reign Crossfire Premiere
Houston Dash Albion Hurricanes
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If you go back and review what that small cadre of clubs (all ECNL board member clubs) did during the inaugural year, joining GDA and then pulling out after year one, gave themselves two ECNL teams per age group... that looked premeditated and straight gangster. Lavers is a very polished front man, but his lieutenants are nasty and don't give AF. I could be completely wrong, but I'm guessing none of the teams listed above get in.

I wonder if it would work to let everyone on this list and more in, shrink the geography of divisions, and make invitations to showcases based on team (not club) performance. That would eliminate the phony excuse of "our league already has 110 clubs, we can't run efficient showcases if we add clubs". Almost like Pro/Rel but in terms of what most parents value most, the showcases. That might ramp up meaningfulness of games.
 
Kicker4Life said:
read my post....disillusioned does not mean delusional.

As for my elitist comment....you are right, that was rude. It should have read, “social life” not “life” but wrong none the less...I apologize
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Whatever Kicker. Life is not fare and everyone has been hurt now in life & soccer. I see us as all equal. No one better than the other human wise. I'm glad you feel have a better social life and lot's of dear friends in life. It looks like no winners in all this division. The timing by US Soccer to dump their sh*t on us during a time of fear was weak sauce. Something's not right Kicker. I wish and hope the powers in soccer can work together but that won;t happen. Lavers is now a gangster.
 
ChalkOnYourBoots said:
If you go back and review what that small cadre of clubs (all ECNL board member clubs) did during the inaugural year, joining GDA and then pulling out after year one, gave themselves two ECNL teams per age group... that looked premeditated and straight gangster. Lavers is a very polished front man, but his lieutenants are nasty and don't give AF. I could be completely wrong, but I'm guessing none of the teams listed above get in.

I wonder if it would work to let everyone on this list and more in, shrink the geography of divisions, and make invitations to showcases based on team (not club) performance. That would eliminate the phony excuse of "our league already has 110 clubs, we can't run efficient showcases if we add clubs". Almost like Pro/Rel but in terms of what most parents value most, the showcases. That might ramp up meaningfulness of games.
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Yeah, all the big players (and two teams clubs) are on that list, FC Stars, Crossfire, Michigan Hawks, Slammers, Concorde.

Only ones missing are PDA & Eclipse and they both have their markets locked down.
 
I will say right now ECNL is a great option if you want to play against "most" of the top teams. I don;t hear about them closing their doors either because of Corona. What was that Kicker from USSF? Did your doc not see all this coming? Did Beach apply to girls ECNL last year?
 
MacDre said:
@Kicker I think this is a great theory that is not going to work in the current political climate of girls youth soccer. I think your kid is at risk of falling out of favor if she doesn’t switch to a team in a more competitive league. I think clubs like Beach are going to experience “brain drain” as their best players move to the most competitive league to maintain form and remain in favor with USSF which will make it almost impossible to get promoted.
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I know, but don’t think Clubs like Beach didn’t already experience that for years prior to DA. I am hoping parents see the long game (overly optimistic, I know). Next year is on the rocks anyway. Likely no real National Showcases and USSF shuttered the YNT program at every age not in a WC Cycle (No Coach, no budget, no scout to stay in favor with). I already know a lot former DA Clubs have lost top talent and I am sure Beach will too.

The decisions the Clubs have to make are double edged swords and neither lends itself to retaining talent.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I know, but don’t think Clubs like Beach didn’t already experience that for years prior to DA. I am hoping parents see the long game (overly optimistic, I know). Next year is on the rocks anyway. Likely no real National Showcases and USSF shuttered the YNT program at every age not in a WC Cycle (No Coach, no budget, no scout to stay in favor with). I already know a lot former DA Clubs have lost top talent and I am sure Beach will too.

The decisions the Clubs have to make are double edged swords and neither lends itself to retaining talent.
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Crazy. I don’t see the need for all the panic amongst parents because girls can always find good competition locally by playing boys teams.
 
Ellejustus said:
I will say right now ECNL is a great option if you want to play against "most" of the top teams. I don;t hear about them closing their doors either because of Corona. What was that Kicker from USSF? Did your doc not see all this coming? Did Beach apply to girls ECNL last year?
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As stated before, I have heard from people in the room that beach has been trying to leave DA for a few years. Yet, at the same time, they are recruiting kids telling them that they have to be in a DA club to have any chance for future success. The DA rules and fiscal commitment were just becoming too much. I guess it is a total coincidence that the Blues just moved into Long Beach the very year the DA ended!
 
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