Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Barca10 said:
So if these top ECNL coaches are the place to be and develop such great talent why not let them keep the teams as they have them currently constructed and developed and ECNL let Beach , Legends and Surf into the ECNL ( Surf obviously in already ) so you have all the top squads playing in the same league? Why continue the division? Besides Blues the other three teams above are ranked above the other top ECNL dog which is Slammers? Times have changed and SoCal soccer should get it right this time and create
a top league so all the squads are in the same sand box, then the top players will see which clubs really DEVELOP talent and players aren’t just moving clubs due to what league they are associated with.
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Logic and youth soccer do not exactly go together.
 
Barca10 said:
So if these top ECNL coaches are the place to be and develop such great talent why not let them keep the teams as they have them currently constructed and developed and ECNL let Beach , Legends and Surf into the ECNL ( Surf obviously in already ) so you have all the top squads playing in the same league? Why continue the division? Besides Blues the other three teams above are ranked above the other top ECNL dog which is Slammers? Times have changed and SoCal soccer should get it right this time and create
a top league so all the squads are in the same sand box, then the top players will see which clubs really DEVELOP talent and players aren’t just moving clubs due to what league they are associated with.
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Because there is no “SoCal soccer” to get things right. In fact, if all SoCal clubs got together to coordinate their efforts, we would finally have the evil monopoly that is bad for consumers but which currently does not exist. Because the clubs that did all the work and put all the money in have no incentive to let those that didn’t enjoy the benefit of hard work and financial risk taking. Because the clubs that didn’t do the hard work and take the financial risks have no entitlement to anything. Because clubs like Surf, Blues and Slammers have already proven they develop talent and provide value, and they don’t care how much people who aren’t willing to pay for it whine.
 
Kicker4Life said:
1st, theye been trying to get into ECNL for 6+ years. They didn’t get in because existing Clubs blocked them (ie. Slammers) because of the number of talented girls coming in from Long Beach and SouthBay.

Your narrative towards Beach has always been a bit slanderous.
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That is not true re: 6 plus years, Beach was a founding DA club and very proud of it. Truth is a defense.
 
EOTL said:
Because there is no “SoCal soccer” to get things right. In fact, if all SoCal clubs got together to coordinate their efforts, we would finally have the evil monopoly that is bad for consumers but which currently does not exist. Because the clubs that did all the work and put all the money in have no incentive to let those that didn’t enjoy the benefit of hard work and financial risk taking. Because the clubs that didn’t do the hard work and take the financial risks have no entitlement to anything. Because clubs like Surf, Blues and Slammers have already proven they develop talent and provide value, and they don’t care how much people who aren’t willing to pay for it whine.
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How many ACL tears last year at Surf, Blues, and Slammers?

We need to hear the whole picture about how great these clubs are.....
 
Copa9 said:
My dd has played both ECNL and DA, ECNL was nothing more than SCDSL with some playoffs thrown in. DA has provided an excellent platform and dd is now committed to a top D1 school. I do agree the sub rules were not necessary but did not result in any injuries other than skinned and bruised legs and a few ankle sprains, which happens as they get older. In the last two and half years with DA, there have not been any ACL tears and only one mild concussion on her team. By the way, DA protocol of professional brain assessment prior to the beginning of the each season was great. Having a trainer at every game was great, ACL warm up before every practice and game was good. A lot of non DA teams do this too, it really falls on the coach and his/her commitment to safety. DA limiting the number of games that could be played on consecutive days and a minimum number of hours between games even if on different days was great. At least at the local level, the protection of our dds was excellent. Did we like the travel, absolutely not but dd did. She was able to handle a rigorous academic school load, the soccer and still have time for too much screen time, shopping and spending time with her friends. As far as spending time with elementary school friends or AYSO teammates in high school soccer, she just wasn't interested. Many of those "friends", spend their spare time partying, and are not as focused on their school work and moved on to different interest. That's fine, but her priority is family, school, soccer and her soccer friends, many who have been together on the team for 5 years. Once some of the girls started driving having teammates at different high schools has not been a problem, they find a way to meet up after school or on the weekends. The competition in the DA has been great. The biggest downside was the travel, but if you were careful and planed ahead you could get some cheap flights but the hotel expense was always too much. It is really too bad the leagues couldn't have figured out a way to exist together. Maybe if DA had dropped the no high school rule for those who wanted it things would have worked out. But I really doubt that, in the end it is about money, power and control at the top. Clubs that went back from DA to ECNL I suspect it had a lot to do with money not really high school soccer. They lost a lot of money by not being able to hold large tournaments to bring in the big money to their club. Oh well, forward and onward. The ones who have suffered the most with all this mess are the players, what the parents (including myself) think about the leagues doesn't matter. A lot of the bitter comments are from parents who didn't have a realistic assessment of their players ability or desire to put in the long hard work to achieve their dream and thought their kid would be at the highest level. Even ECNL families have the same expectation that their player is so good that they will be recruited to play in college. As far as the money, it is too much. ECNL was almost as expensive. But be real, most sports are expensive as the athlete ages. Just talk to volleyball players, gymnastic athletes, tennis athletes, golf, ice skaters, etc. etc. etc. In the end, if your player has been happy and proud to be where they have played and developed a love of the game, that is great. Paying for your child to play a sport is sure a lot better than paying for drug rehab or counseling for a kid who has no focus or becomes involved with the wrong group. There are many temptations and distractions for our youth today. If your player can come out of this with a strong work ethic, can manage their time and commit to their team mates, this will bode well for them when they are out in the real world work force. How your player handles this mess will be in great part a reflection of your attitude and behavior and a great life lesson.
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I'd like to hear how this worked out in 4-7 years. As some one looking in the rearview mirror (hindsight being 20/20) my daughter played ECNL when it was the top of the pyramid and it still allowed her to be a teenager with a life. She also graduate from high school with a 4.7 gpa and just graduated magna cum laude from a top 25 academic university a year early. I said from the beginning of the GDA (go check the threads if you have time) that it was going to fail miserably. It has. GDA was never necessary. As you said your daughter is going to a dotp D1 school. You did not say that she was playing in the U17 or U20 Women's World Cup so why was something focused on an international/professional track necessary? My kid is a pro now and she played high school soccer as did all of her teammates (Rose Lavelle and Andi Sullivan are two of them) and it didn't seem to hurt their experience and actually seems to have enhanced it. You will find out very soon that college soccer, even at the top levels, is more like high school soccer than club soccer. Kids that aren't used to playing with players that are older, craftier and/or more physical than them are in for a big surprise.

Please bookmark this post as you will be either calling me Nostradamus or disappearing completely from the forums (as have all but a few forum members like me from the old days that remember all of this and have been around long enough to have a birdseye view of what is going on).

Good luck to you and your player.
 
pokergod said:
That is not true re: 6 plus years, Beach was a founding DA club and very proud of it. Truth is a defense.
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Yes, it is true that Beach has been trying to get into ECNL for 6+ years. Not 2 years as you state below.....
pokergod said:
Beach has tried to join the ECNL for at least a year if not two.
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It’s also absolutely true that they were again rejected prior to being offered DA.....thus the reason for DA in the first place. Of course they were proud of it. They offered all the families in LB and SB the access the SoCal ECNL DOC’s denied them year after year.....wtf do you expect?
 
dad4 said:
How many ACL tears last year at Surf, Blues, and Slammers?

We need to hear the whole picture about how great these clubs are.....
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“No time for loooosers...”. But thanks for replying to all my posts because it ensures that the GDA mafiosos who blocked me still receive the benefit of my wisdom.
 
EOTL said:
There are more than 500 corporations in CA alone with the words “”United States” in them. There are more than 500 with the word Federation. There are more than 50 with both. Is the US Esports Federation a government agency? The US Federation of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? The US Darts Federation? The US Kettlebell Sports Federation? US Federation of Pelota? US Amateur Dancers Federation?US Sled Dog Federation? You must belong to the US Dips**t Federation.
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USSDA = United States Soccer Development Academy United States Soccer Dumbasses Association.
 
Surf Zombie said:
www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com

SAN DIEGO SURF AND REAL SO CAL JOIN ECNL GIRLS FOR 2020-21 SEASON

RICHMOND, VA (April 15, 2020) – The Elite Clubs National League Girls is excited to announce that the San Diego Surf and Real So Cal will be joining the ECNL Girls in 2020-2021. For more than a decade, the ECNL has supported the nation's leading youth players to compete at the highest level...
www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com
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Wow, pretty much every single (logical and illogical) prediction from this forum is wrong.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Yes, it is true that Beach has been trying to get into ECNL for 6+ years. Not 2 years as you state below.....

It’s also absolutely true that they were again rejected prior to being offered DA.....thus the reason for DA in the first place. Of course they were proud of it. They offered all the families in LB and SB the access the SoCal ECNL DOC’s denied them year after year.....wtf do you expect?
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This is clearly an emotional topic for you. I apologize for hurting your feelings. My experience directly and indirectly with beach have been terrible. But nothing I post is dishonest. I feel sorry for the children and families effected by the end of the DA. 99% of the DA kids will be fine and land on their feet. These posts are nothing but entertainment for me in a bleak world right now. You are happy with Beach and that is good for you. Even my friends with kids on the Beach DA teams do not like Beach or the way it treats its kids. I'm glad you had a different experience. All the best.
 
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EOTL said:
My god, get it together. GDA’s inevitable collapse was plain to see. Companies come and go, that is life. You hitched your wagon to a business that never made financial sense and you should have known better. You also hitched your wagon to a club that thought it (like you) could cut to the front of the line without having to put in the work, effort and investment that is needed to get your desired outcome. There are no shortcuts, however, and the idea that families don’t have to pay what it really costs for the best club services is a fantasy. The idea that clubs could jump their competitors by slapping a USSF badge in their uniforms is also a fantasy. Take responsibility for your role. Don’t be the next Ellejustus who keeps wondering why constantly barking at the moon doesn’t cause it to rain soccer money and college scholarship offers.

For those who failed to heed my advice and are now paying for it, I’ll give you another chance. There are only a handful of queenmaker coaches who really make a difference. They work at clubs that - go figure - have been around a long time and put in the years, the investments and the hard work that makes them well positioned to emerge from the GDA collapse. They are the clubs that the whiners at this site commonly complain are “monopolies”, have demanding coaches (which they often mistake as “abusive”), and expect you to pay for the valuable services they provide.

These coaches can help develop your daughter as a soccer player, but that is not what sets them apart. What sets them apart is they have earned the respect of college coaches. They have Cromwell and Radcliffe (and everyone) on speed dial, and colleges answer when they call. When they tell colleges they have a player for them, the recruiting process is 90% done. All your daughter needs to do is present well when she meets with the staff and not choke when they show up to watch her play, which they always will if you have the right coach. They also tell you they won’t make the call if they don’t think you are right for a program.

So here is my advice. Find the clubs that have these coaches. They are the top ECNL clubs and very few others. They earned their status, plain and simple. They aren’t the only path to playing in college but, if your daughter is college material, they make getting there much easIer and will almost always get her the best fit. If you don’t, you leave a lot to chance, and your kid’s college options may be limited to the sheer luck of whatever college coach happened to see your daughter play on some random day. Even if your kid is the greatest player on the planet, not playing at a top club is a red flag. You are leaving college coaches speculating what is wrong with your kid. Are you at a 2nd tier club because you’re cancer and the good ones didn’t want anything to do with you? Are you as good as you appear when you’re beating up weaker opponents? Because when your kid scores a hat trick against Albion, it’s hard to tell whether she’s legit. But if she does it against Blues ECNL, colleges know they’re looking at a winner because even their weaker players can still play. And if your kid plays for a lesser club, they’re probably still asking the ones they trust for insight into your kid.

The time for blaming others for your wrong decisions and hoping that your kid will get great college offers because she played for a club that had US Soccer DA badges on the jerseys is over. Get your s**t together and move forward.
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Just wondering. Where is your dd going to college?
 
EOTL said:
My god, get it together. GDA’s inevitable collapse was plain to see. Companies come and go, that is life. You hitched your wagon to a business that never made financial sense and you should have known better. You also hitched your wagon to a club that thought it (like you) could cut to the front of the line without having to put in the work, effort and investment that is needed to get your desired outcome. There are no shortcuts, however, and the idea that families don’t have to pay what it really costs for the best club services is a fantasy. The idea that clubs could jump their competitors by slapping a USSF badge in their uniforms is also a fantasy. Take responsibility for your role. Don’t be the next Ellejustus who keeps wondering why constantly barking at the moon doesn’t cause it to rain soccer money and college scholarship offers.

For those who failed to heed my advice and are now paying for it, I’ll give you another chance. There are only a handful of queenmaker coaches who really make a difference. They work at clubs that - go figure - have been around a long time and put in the years, the investments and the hard work that makes them well positioned to emerge from the GDA collapse. They are the clubs that the whiners at this site commonly complain are “monopolies”, have demanding coaches (which they often mistake as “abusive”), and expect you to pay for the valuable services they provide.

These coaches can help develop your daughter as a soccer player, but that is not what sets them apart. What sets them apart is they have earned the respect of college coaches. They have Cromwell and Radcliffe (and everyone) on speed dial, and colleges answer when they call. When they tell colleges they have a player for them, the recruiting process is 90% done. All your daughter needs to do is present well when she meets with the staff and not choke when they show up to watch her play, which they always will if you have the right coach. They also tell you they won’t make the call if they don’t think you are right for a program.

So here is my advice. Find the clubs that have these coaches. They are the top ECNL clubs and very few others. They earned their status, plain and simple. They aren’t the only path to playing in college but, if your daughter is college material, they make getting there much easIer and will almost always get her the best fit. If you don’t, you leave a lot to chance, and your kid’s college options may be limited to the sheer luck of whatever college coach happened to see your daughter play on some random day. Even if your kid is the greatest player on the planet, not playing at a top club is a red flag. You are leaving college coaches speculating what is wrong with your kid. Are you at a 2nd tier club because you’re cancer and the good ones didn’t want anything to do with you? Are you as good as you appear when you’re beating up weaker opponents? Because when your kid scores a hat trick against Albion, it’s hard to tell whether she’s legit. But if she does it against Blues ECNL, colleges know they’re looking at a winner because even their weaker players can still play. And if your kid plays for a lesser club, they’re probably still asking the ones they trust for insight into your kid.

The time for blaming others for your wrong decisions and hoping that your kid will get great college offers because she played for a club that had US Soccer DA badges on the jerseys is over. Get your s**t together and move forward.
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I'm really starting to like this guy. Raw facts suck sometimes but they are always beneficial in the long run.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Does the end of DA or what club get's into ECNL matter if new women's college soccer scholarships disappear for a few years? Loss of revenue from March Madness is going to have a big effect in college sports. If college football revenue is gone for this next season too then I could see there being no new athletic scholarships for a few years. Pro women's soccer is also marginal, how does it even survive? Why pay for club soccer if there is no future benefit?
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The PAC 12 and BIG TEN have guarnateed scholarships for 4 years so anyone that has signed on the dotted line is covered.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I'm really starting to like this guy. Raw facts suck sometimes but they are always beneficial in the long run.
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That figures Maps. But hey, we all have a choice to make in life. I'm glad you two found each other and like each other. That is nice and I think we should all like each other through all this hard ache.
 
@MakeAPlay these rosters of 37 need to end too. What say you? I would like to have that number down like FSU #s. These roster spots given out like gum drops is a part of the problem with soccer too. Fact?
 
Working off the Soccer Wire top 100 list, here are the remaining top 40 girls clubs who are not in the ECNL:


1. Top Hat (GA)
5. FC Dallas (TX)
8. Legends (CA)
9. Beach (CA)
10. Earthquakes (CA)
16. FC Virginia (VA)
25. NEFC (MA)
26. Sporting Blue Valley (KS)
28. Cincinnati Development Academy (OH)
29. Lone Star (TX)
32.South Shore Select (MA)
35. LA Galaxy
37. Nationals (MI)
39. Charlotte Soccer Academy (NC)

Will be very surprised if Top Hat & FC Dallas are not admitted.
 
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