President Joe Biden

The new schools guidance from the Biden admin for schools looks like is going to replicate California, except maybe be slightly looser for the color tiers. Given that 65+ will be fully vaccinated within the next 2 months, the existence of a tier system, ongoing mask and 6 ft requirement means they don't anticipate schools getting back to normal any time soon (it says these restrictions are to continue even after teachers are vaccinated). For most public schools, full time is impossible for a 6 ft requirement. At this point, if these become final, it's clear the Biden admin has caved to the teacher's unions and everywhere is California (except those red and some blue states that disregard the guidance). I could take the impeachment, the EOs, the double masks, the foreign policy changes, the spending plan, but I'm off the unity train if this happens. This is not following the science.

Note too that the guidance expressly says that school reopenings are to be given priority over extracurriculars over sports. There will also be equity restrictions in them (which speculation here, but in LA County have been used to nail the private and charter schools).

www.cbsnews.com

Biden administration releases school reopening guidance with color-coded zones

CDC director says guidance is "free from political meddling."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
Grace T. said:
The new schools guidance from the Biden admin for schools looks like is going to replicate California, except maybe be slightly looser for the color tiers. Given that 65+ will be fully vaccinated within the next 2 months, the existence of a tier system, ongoing mask and 6 ft requirement means they don't anticipate schools getting back to normal any time soon (it says these restrictions are to continue even after teachers are vaccinated). For most public schools, full time is impossible for a 6 ft requirement. At this point, if these become final, it's clear the Biden admin has caved to the teacher's unions and everywhere is California (except those red and some blue states that disregard the guidance). I could take the impeachment, the EOs, the double masks, the foreign policy changes, the spending plan, but I'm off the unity train if this happens. This is not following the science.

Note too that the guidance expressly says that school reopenings are to be given priority over extracurriculars over sports. There will also be equity restrictions in them (which speculation here, but in LA County have been used to nail the private and charter schools).

www.cbsnews.com

Biden administration releases school reopening guidance with color-coded zones

CDC director says guidance is "free from political meddling."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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I think a lot of you are being unfair to Biden particularly when it comes to school. He's pretty aggressive and setting some lofty goals for getting kids back in schools. He wants the majority of schools to have in-person learning at least 1 day a week within the next 100 days. Getting a vaccine in 10 months, when it normally takes 5-10 years, is nothing compared to getting the majority of schools open 1 day a week in 100 days.

FYI 66% of schools are currently open for 1 day a week of in-person learning.
 
Grace T. said:
The new schools guidance from the Biden admin for schools looks like is going to replicate California, except maybe be slightly looser for the color tiers. Given that 65+ will be fully vaccinated within the next 2 months, the existence of a tier system, ongoing mask and 6 ft requirement means they don't anticipate schools getting back to normal any time soon (it says these restrictions are to continue even after teachers are vaccinated). For most public schools, full time is impossible for a 6 ft requirement. At this point, if these become final, it's clear the Biden admin has caved to the teacher's unions and everywhere is California (except those red and some blue states that disregard the guidance). I could take the impeachment, the EOs, the double masks, the foreign policy changes, the spending plan, but I'm off the unity train if this happens. This is not following the science.

Note too that the guidance expressly says that school reopenings are to be given priority over extracurriculars over sports. There will also be equity restrictions in them (which speculation here, but in LA County have been used to nail the private and charter schools).

www.cbsnews.com

Biden administration releases school reopening guidance with color-coded zones

CDC director says guidance is "free from political meddling."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Wait, you’re on the unity train?

We must be in different compartments. Welcome aboard.

Hope you brought your own vodka. The Stoli in the observation car is seriously overpriced.
 
dad4 said:
Wait, you’re on the unity train?

We must be in different compartments. Welcome aboard.

Hope you brought your own vodka. The Stoli in the observation car is seriously overpriced.
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Oh I’m always on the unity train at first. I’ve written before I always give the president the benefit of the doubt. I’m off now (assuming these go through). Despite promising me a first class seat they forced me into steerage. That stoli was close to the final straw but the double mask requirement on that train irked me more. Now that we are bypassing the schools reopening metro (despite promises it would be a prioritized stop) I’m off. Now where is that de santis express???
 
Grace T. said:
Oh I’m always on the unity train at first. I’ve written before I always give the president the benefit of the doubt. I’m off now (assuming these go through). Despite promising me a first class seat they forced me into steerage. That stoli was close to the final straw but the double mask requirement on that train irked me more. Now that we are bypassing the schools reopening metro (despite promises it would be a prioritized stop) I’m off. Now where is that de santis express???
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Stay with us a while longer. Cat Stevens is hosting a concert in the lounge car tonight.

I think you’re misreading the color scheme. It can be used to justify continued closure, but also gives local school boards a lever to use to push for opening schools.
 
dad4 said:
Stay with us a while longer. Cat Stevens is hosting a concert in the lounge car tonight.

I think you’re misreading the color scheme. It can be used to justify continued closure, but also gives local school boards a lever to use to push for opening schools.
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It depends what they tie it to. If it's cases, for the reasons we've discussed before a.n., then no. Even then I'd still give it to you, but for the rest which seems a clear and evident reversal of the previous CDC position.

Cat Steves? Way to get me off faster....I hear there's country music on the De Santis express.
 
Grace T. said:
It depends what they tie it to. If it's cases, for the reasons we've discussed before a.n., then no. Even then I'd still give it to you, but for the rest which seems a clear and evident reversal of the previous CDC position.

Cat Steves? Way to get me off faster....I hear there's country music on the De Santis express.
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We have country. Dixie Chicks play Wednesday.

Why care what they tie it to? All the measures go up and down together. Some are leading, some are lagging, but if one is bad they are all bad.

My bet is the measure is cases, which will give most districts the lever they need in a month or two. He wasn’t going a fight with the NEA faster than that anyway.
 
dad4 said:
We have country. Dixie Chicks play Wednesday.

Why care what they tie it to? All the measures go up and down together. Some are leading, some are lagging, but if one is bad they are all bad.

My bet is the measure is cases, which will give most districts the lever they need in a month or two. He wasn’t going a fight with the NEA faster than that anyway.
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Err....the vaccines are helpful in preventing hospitalizations/death. They may be less effective in preventing cases, particularly as we get more variants. And you yourself in math I've regarded highly pointed out we may be a race against a spring wave. If it's hospitalziations/death it means we get back to normal quickly because those will fall to negligible proportions.. If it's cases, it means no return to normal any time soon because cases will exist for years. The question then becomes how sensitive.
 
Grace T. said:
Err....the vaccines are helpful in preventing hospitalizations/death. They may be less effective in preventing cases, particularly as we get more variants. And you yourself in math I've regarded highly pointed out we may be a race against a spring wave. If it's hospitalziations/death it means we get back to normal quickly because those will fall to negligible proportions.. If it's cases, it means no return to normal any time soon because cases will exist for years. The question then becomes how sensitive.
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Cases exist for years is different from cases are high for years.

Any national case threshold will probably be above 2 per 100k and below 20 per 100k.

Take a look at your upper midwest graphs. The time between 2 and 20 is measured in weeks, not years. You get mostly the same schools result either way.
 
dad4 said:
Cases exist for years is different from cases are high for years.

Any national case threshold will probably be above 2 per 100k and below 20 per 100k.

Take a look at your upper midwest graphs. The time between 2 and 20 is measured in weeks, not years. You get mostly the same schools result either way.
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Yeah, but the 6 foot requirement is enough to keep most public schools on a hybrid model next year (assuming they follow the guidance).

We will still get surges too (as your own math showed) as new variants emerge which the vaccines are not capable of stopping 100%

This is a prescription for the disruption of schools for years.
 
Grace T. said:
Oh I’m always on the unity train at first. I’ve written before I always give the president the benefit of the doubt. I’m off now (assuming these go through). Despite promising me a first class seat they forced me into steerage. That stoli was close to the final straw but the double mask requirement on that train irked me more. Now that we are bypassing the schools reopening metro (despite promises it would be a prioritized stop) I’m off. Now where is that de santis express???
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I’m officially off this train. I’m on the Gallup survey list. Voted disapprove today for the first time. Did that a lot for t too.
 
Glitterhater said:
I'm not surprised to see this at THIS moment- I'd be anxious to see where this is a couple more months in.
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He hasn't done anything crazy or illegal yet. People might appreciate that for a change.

It's also illuminating to look down the page at the history of the popularity of preceding Presidents. It's apparently really hard to get above 50%.
 
espola said:
He hasn't done anything crazy or illegal yet. People might appreciate that for a change.

It's also illuminating to look down the page at the history of the popularity of preceding Presidents. It's apparently really hard to get above 50%.
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I think his calming demeanor is helping him, yes. T was pretty polarizing and I think people are looking for calm.
However, calm can only get you so far. I will root for him like I root for every one in office.
 
Glitterhater said:
I think his calming demeanor is helping him, yes. T was pretty polarizing and I think people are looking for calm.
However, calm can only get you so far. I will root for him like I root for every one in office.
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We all hope the president will succeed. We did with Obama but his potential was never fully developed and he didn’t please everyone, but he tried. We did with trump, but he never really “became presidential” (as that was deemed boring perhaps) the constant trampling of norms (like saying he loved murderous dictators), blatant improprieties and the fact he never tried to please anyone accept his hardcore base (hoping others would fall in?) playing to fear and white grievance doomed him. Then of course there was the whole downplaying of a global pandemic thing.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
We all hope the president will succeed. We did with Obama but his potential was never fully developed and he didn’t please everyone, but he tried. We did with trump, but he never really “became presidential” (as that was deemed boring perhaps) the constant trampling of norms (like saying he loved murderous dictators), blatant improprieties and the fact he never tried to please anyone accept his hardcore base (hoping others would fall in?) playing to fear and white grievance doomed him. Then of course there was the whole downplaying of a global pandemic thing.
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Your bias is showing. Obama started the entire norm smashing thing (fillibuster nuke for judges, eos), pandered to the base and straw manning, and engaged in less serious improprieties (you can keep your health insurance, the russiagate thing, the irs thing). Trump took it to a new level (the base was tired of rs not fighting back and wanted a brawler instead of someone that appeared presidential). Biden, despite that some portion of voters voted for him as a caretaker who would return things back to normal, seems intent on taking things even further.
 
Grace T. said:
Trump acquitted. Ds seem to have gotten scared at the prospect of witnesses. I liked McConnell’s speech...thought it was right on.
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I don't know a single person who actually thought he was going to be impeached. I know alot of D's and we all thought it was a shot in the dark.
 
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