I did and you've ducked mine now 3x, despite having been put in a position to defend Omar's comments, and been given ample room now to denounce them.
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I did and you've ducked mine now 3x, despite having been put in a position to defend Omar's comments, and been given ample room now to denounce them.
Don't put the blame for your lack of precision on me. I already posted her follow-up statement, which amounted to an apology. You have posted nothing of hers that you claim to be anti-semitic, or even give a definition of what that would mean.
Hey I've given you now 4x the chance to distance yourself from the remarks. I don't need to define what is antisemetic and wouldn't because it would be presumptuous of me to define something as racist for another culture (any more than it would be for me to define what racism should mean for a black person). It is sufficient to know a large segment of the Jewish population denounced her for them, her own colleagues denounced her for it, and she was forced to apologize. Yet you have never said, "yeah, I don't know what antisemitism is but the remarks were bad" leading to the reasonable inference that you were o.k. with the remarks, since you haven't said otherwise so far and in fact have been defending them.
You posted "there is at least one antisemitic equivalent: Omar". You used the words without knowing what they mean?
It's pitiful to see that you have descended to putting words in my mouth
it’s pitiful to see you not willing to denounce the remarks. I don’t need to define it: the Jewish community, her colleagues and she herself by being forced to apologize already established that.
He’s spoken with others.
Steve King Removed From Committee Assignments Over White Supremacy Remark (Published 2019)
Republicans voted Monday night to remove Mr. King from the House Judiciary and Agriculture committees after he made remarks questioning why white supremacy is considered offensive.
So apologizing is the standard?
Marjorie Taylor Greene apologizes to GOP colleagues for past QAnon support
McCarthy condemned Greene's comments but made no commitment to punishing her for them.
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He’s spoken with others.
Steve King Removed From Committee Assignments Over White Supremacy Remark (Published 2019)
Republicans voted Monday night to remove Mr. King from the House Judiciary and Agriculture committees after he made remarks questioning why white supremacy is considered offensive.www.google.com
In all fairness, they likely would have removed her from committees given past precedent. It was just more politically advantageous to have the other party do it.
I can only go by your own declaraation that you don't know what you are talking about,
Getting back to the topic, your abandoned response was to my question "Which ds did you have in mind there? Anything close to Jewish space lasers starting California wildfires?" Would you like to take another shot at it?
Still ducking saying anything about Omar’s remarks I see? Given the implication some may draw that you are an antisemite for failing to say in this objective reality you’ve built that the remarks are bad, it’s a little bit shocking.
and as to your latest gambit, I’m not going to get into a game of which remarks are worse with you. It should be enough that we are willing to call out bad remarks whoever makes them, yet you seem really reluctant to do that in the case of omar. I’ve said the Omar remarks are bad. Do not our objective realities meet on this point?
Your little yellow car really is lost in the woods this time. Bigly!
Steven King's remarks are nowhere near as offensive as MTG's. The Republicans did the right thing with King, but somehow overwhelmingly support the Q-lady's offensiveness,
You seem to be hinting that I am an anti-semite. I find that ironically interesting.
Grace can respond on her own, but seeing as you’re debating in a public forum....
Are you intentionally ignoring the words used and/or are unaware of the derogatory tropes those statements embody? Antisemitism is the same as racism in this regard.
Seems like you’re trying to win the battle but losing the war, so to speak.
I’m sure that tacitly condoning those tropes is not your intent (Grace has suggested several times that you distance yourself from those remarks), but I don’t feel that others @EOTL would be so consolatory. In fact, I’m shocked that the social justice warrior hasn’t weighed in yet.
Exactly why I said it was more politically beneficial to have the other party do it.
You are again making judgments as to which is worse. My principle was that once you go down this road any bad statement will so be punished. I raised the question well what about Omar? You have repeatedly refused to say her remarks were bad.
hey I’m not the one who is unwilling to denounce Omar’s statements. And both my kids are dating nice Jewish girls (my youngest swears he’s going to convert and marry her some day which would make all of quite happy were we lucky enough to have it happen). Can you say the same?
plus my family is descended on my moms side from the conversos too. While not enough for us to claim Judaism as our own, we do have some blood in the blood line and in our last trip to Toledo toured the synagogues our ancestors worshipped in. It’s why I am taking a little bit of offense you have repeatedly refused to say that what Omar has said is wrong
Part of the issue is the left organizes hierarchies of oppression. Since they take the position the Palestinians are more oppressed than the Jews or Israelis it somehow makes it ok for someone more oppressed (supposedly Omar) to criticize them in what would otherwise be an offensive manner (and hence Espolas reluctance to come out and say “yeah those remarks are bad”). For them same reason I doubt we’ll see eotl weigh in here. It’s also why I tend to infuriate them (because I hold more minority credits than most people who go around crying racism)
ill tip my hat though to the person who can make sense and explain espolas objective reality where Omar’s remarks don’t merit condemnation, the anti lockdowners were wrong in the end, and somehow he is a conservative
What words do you find offensive and why are they "anti-semitic"? My response is stalled by Grace's refusal to answer that. Without that clarification, I don't what I am responding to.
To possibly help narrow the discussion, would you agree that criticizing the behavior of Israel's government is not in itself anti-semitic?
MTG's behavior is much worse than Steven King's ever was. That's my judgment, based on objective reality.
It is inappropriate for you to try to skate away from your nebulous comments with unfounded opinions of what I am willing or unwilling to do.
Here is something you may or may not find relevant --
Rick Santorum: A Brief History of the ‘Some of My Best Friends’ Defense
Yup, Rick Santorum went there. The former Pennsylvania senator, known for his less-than-enlightened views on gay rights, has opted for the “Some of my best friends…” approach. Earlier this week, when CNN’s Don Lemon asked him if he had any gay friends, Santorum replied enthusiastically: “Yes! In...
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MTG's behavior is much worse than Steven King's ever was. That's my judgment, based on objective reality.
It is inappropriate for you to try to skate away from your nebulous comments with unfounded opinions of what I am willing or unwilling to do.
Here is something you may or may not find relevant --
Rick Santorum: A Brief History of the ‘Some of My Best Friends’ Defense
Yup, Rick Santorum went there. The former Pennsylvania senator, known for his less-than-enlightened views on gay rights, has opted for the “Some of my best friends…” approach. Earlier this week, when CNN’s Don Lemon asked him if he had any gay friends, Santorum replied enthusiastically: “Yes! In...
ive given you a ton of opportunities yourself to skate away from Omar’s offensive remarks yet you repeatedly refuse to do it, which is in and of itself shockingly offensive. All it takes from you is an admission. I’ll even write it for you: “ I don’t know what antisemitism is, and you’ve refused to define it, but yeah her comments were bad, but I appreciate her apology”
again I don’t care whose remark was worse. That’s not my point. If your point is the rs should have stripped her I’d say ok, but I think the ds should have stripped Omar too. But my point was the majority party making this decision for the minority party is a bad idea because it’s going to be used a lot now because once the principle is set that bad can lead To a strip when the minority party refuses to do it there’s a lot of bad in Congress on both sides of the aisle. You can’t have a limiting principle in a knife fight that something is uniquely bad because uniquely bad is In The eye of the beholder, as you seem to be confirming by your refusal to call out Omar.
You're the one who said she didn't know what antisemitism is, not me. In my experience, that personality characteristic different meanings to different people. I want to know what you mean before I respond to it. Isn't that reasonable?
I think any lawyer worth his salt would agree that calling for the assassination of political leaders is a worse crime than making racist comments.
Your opinion on the future behavior of Congress is nonsense.