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espola said:
He started with 45 votes in his pocket and ended up with 43.

What parts of the defense lawyers' presentation do you feel exhibited high-quality legal practice?
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again the result isn’t necessarily tied to the quality of the presentation.You are confusing this. The guy did a good job and embarrassed a bunch of Ivy League educated lawyers. True a spectacular performance should have turned even Romney. I’m not arguing the guy is Clarence Darrow. But for some tort lawyer he did a bang up job. For some Ivy League educated eggheads the managers did poorly.
 
Grace T. said:
again the result isn’t necessarily tied to the quality of the presentation.You are confusing this. The guy did a good job and embarrassed a bunch of Ivy League educated lawyers. True a spectacular performance should have turned even Romney. I’m not arguing the guy is Clarence Darrow. But for some tort lawyer he did a bang up job. For some Ivy League educated eggheads the managers did poorly.
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You are presenting your conclusions without any evidence.
 
Desert Hound said:
I suppose you are unaware that the Dems in the Senate meet regularly with the House members in charge of impeachment? Does that upset you?

And none of them are jurors by the way.
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Jurors ore those who in a procedure known as a trial, after hearing the evidence, they vote Guilty or Not Guilty.
 
Grace T. said:
He did a very good job for an ambulance lawyer. He made the case the evidence didn’t support the single charge, was very effective in pointing out the d hypocrisy, was very effective in pointing out the ds messed with the evidence and held his own on the witness battle. Credit where credit is due.

politically he also served trumps outsider narrative by not being in the Harvard class. Increasingly the battle within the Republican Party (and bad news for Ted) is that it will be this outsiders class v the Ivy League insiders.
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That’s what he said and you swallowed. Moscow Mitch did not, he opted out on a process excuse . . . the excuse he made sure was there.
 
Grace T. said:
He did a very good job for an ambulance lawyer. He made the case the evidence didn’t support the single charge, was very effective in pointing out the d hypocrisy, was very effective in pointing out the ds messed with the evidence and held his own on the witness battle. Credit where credit is due.

politically he also served trumps outsider narrative by not being in the Harvard class. Increasingly the battle within the Republican Party (and bad news for Ted) is that it will be this outsiders class v the Ivy League insiders.
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There is a reason the Ivy Leaguers have been in charge and are the “insiders” and the ambulance chasers are advertising on TV.
 
espola said:
Jurors ore those who in a procedure known as a trial, after hearing the evidence, they vote Guilty or Not Guilty.
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Jurors don't get to talk to the press, ask questions, etc etc. Senators do.

Regular jurors are not supposed to know each other - not so here. Regular jurors cannot overrule the judge - not so here. Regular jurors do not decide what evidence should be heard or the standards of evidence, nor do they decide on witnesses or what witnesses shall be called - not so here. Regular jurors do not decide when a trial is to be ended - not so here.

I notice you evaded the question about the Dems in the Senate conferring with the prosecutors...aka the House managers.

Or do you have different standards if an R or a D is involved?
 
Desert Hound said:
Jurors don't get to talk to the press, ask questions, etc etc. Senators do.

Regular jurors are not supposed to know each other - not so here. Regular jurors cannot overrule the judge - not so here. Regular jurors do not decide what evidence should be heard or the standards of evidence, nor do they decide on witnesses or what witnesses shall be called - not so here. Regular jurors do not decide when a trial is to be ended - not so here.

I notice you evaded the question about the Dems in the Senate conferring with the prosecutors...aka the House managers.

Or do you have different standards if an R or a D is involved?
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The terms "jurors" and "jury" did not originate with me.
 
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