President Joe Biden

Glitterhater said:
I don't know a single person who actually thought he was going to be impeached. I know alot of D's and we all thought it was a shot in the dark.
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I’m just surprised the ds folded so quickly. My father was just arguing to me this morning it would take another week.
 
Grace T. said:
Trump acquitted. Ds seem to have gotten scared at the prospect of witnesses. I liked McConnell’s speech...thought it was right on.
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The House managers proposed one witness to settle a dispute about the content of a phone call between t and McCarthy. The defendant's lawyer agreed to accept the main points of the witness' evidence by stipulation. No witness needed.
 
Grace T. said:
Trump acquitted. Ds seem to have gotten scared at the prospect of witnesses. I liked McConnell’s speech...thought it was right on.
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The local news is playing video of some congressman whose name I didnt catch saying when they were negotiating witnesses, the first witness on the Republican's list was Nancy Pelosi. And rather than turn things into a circus, when the verdict wasn't in doubt, they opted for no witnesses.

Personally I think Dems should have jumped on the offer. I don't think Nancy has Mitch's gift when it comes to finding legislative results. But rather then being above testifying; I think she'd have been better served to put on some fresh lipstick, take a deep breath... and then march down the hall and kick some ass.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
We all hope the president will succeed. We did with Obama but his potential was never fully developed and he didn’t please everyone, but he tried. We did with trump, but he never really “became presidential” (as that was deemed boring perhaps) the constant trampling of norms (like saying he loved murderous dictators), blatant improprieties and the fact he never tried to please anyone accept his hardcore base (hoping others would fall in?) playing to fear and white grievance doomed him. Then of course there was the whole downplaying of a global pandemic thing.
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Yes, I think you're right. But so far, what sign have you seen that this is going to be different under Biden?

For me it feels like its been little more then executive orders and comments about how he doesn't trust Republican moderates to be reliable allies, because of his experience while writing the Affordable Cares Act. And that strikes me as not too different from what I saw under Trump. Maybe it wasn't delivered as a tweet... but still.
 
tenacious said:
The local news is playing video of some congressman whose name I didnt catch saying when they were negotiating witnesses, the first witness on the Republican's list was Nancy Pelosi. And rather than turn things into a circus, when the verdict wasn't in doubt, they opted for no witnesses.

Personally I think Dems should have jumped on the offer. I don't think Nancy has Mitch's gift when it comes to finding legislative results. But rather then being above testifying; I think she'd have been better served to put on some fresh lipstick, take a deep breath... and then march down the hall and kick some ass.
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Re-reading this and want to make sure I clarify that the lipstick comment was to say she should take a moment to get herself ready and then go testify. Put her career on the line, to prove how serious it is to her and the country.

Clunking heads together is something that's in her wheelhouse. And I think this would be a bold move that could have changed the needle. A bold move that she had a good chance of winning.
 
Grace T. said:
Trump acquitted. Ds seem to have gotten scared at the prospect of witnesses. I liked McConnell’s speech...thought it was right on.
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Seems you believe what the ambulance chaser said, best lawyer trump could hire, lol! Why even bother they were never gonna get 17 Republicans. trump 2024.
 
tenacious said:
Yes, I think you're right. But so far, what sign have you seen that this is going to be different under Biden?

For me it feels like its been little more then executive orders and comments about how he doesn't trust Republican moderates to be reliable allies, because of his experience while writing the Affordable Cares Act. And that strikes me as not too different from what I saw under Trump. Maybe it wasn't delivered as a tweet... but still.
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Biden has a tall mountain to climb to reset American policy to a more sane long haul vision. Then he will be a game manager.
 
espola said:
The House managers proposed one witness to settle a dispute about the content of a phone call between t and McCarthy. The defendant's lawyer agreed to accept the main points of the witness' evidence by stipulation. No witness needed.
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tenacious said:
Re-reading this and want to make sure I clarify that the lipstick comment was to say she should take a moment to get herself ready and then go testify. Put her career on the line, to prove how serious it is to her and the country.

Clunking heads together is something that's in her wheelhouse. And I think this would be a bold move that could have changed the needle. A bold move that she had a good chance of winning.
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Hüsker Dü said:
Seems you believe what the ambulance chaser said, best lawyer trump could hire, lol! Why even bother they were never gonna get 17 Republicans. trump 2024.
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He did a very good job for an ambulance lawyer. He made the case the evidence didn’t support the single charge, was very effective in pointing out the d hypocrisy, was very effective in pointing out the ds messed with the evidence and held his own on the witness battle. Credit where credit is due.

politically he also served trumps outsider narrative by not being in the Harvard class. Increasingly the battle within the Republican Party (and bad news for Ted) is that it will be this outsiders class v the Ivy League insiders.
 
Grace T. said:
He did a very good job for an ambulance lawyer. He made the case the evidence didn’t support the single charge, was very effective in pointing out the d hypocrisy, was very effective in pointing out the ds messed with the evidence and held his own on the witness battle. Credit where credit is due.

politically he also served trumps outsider narrative by not being in the Harvard class. Increasingly the battle within the Republican Party (and bad news for Ted) is that it will be this outsiders class v the Ivy League insiders.
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Grace T. said:
He did a very good job for an ambulance lawyer. He made the case the evidence didn’t support the single charge, was very effective in pointing out the d hypocrisy, was very effective in pointing out the ds messed with the evidence and held his own on the witness battle. Credit where credit is due.

politically he also served trumps outsider narrative by not being in the Harvard class. Increasingly the battle within the Republican Party (and bad news for Ted) is that it will be this outsiders class v the Ivy League insiders.
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It's not so much of an accomplishment to win when the defense lawyer has regular meetings with members of the jury.
 
espola said:
It's not so much of an accomplishment to win when the defense lawyer has regular meetings with members of the jury.
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you guys will never be happy. Busker just slammed him for being an ambulance lawyer. The ambulance lawyer went toe To toe and got the better of the Harvard lawyers including one of my younger brothers roommates
 
espola said:
It's not so much of an accomplishment to win when the defense lawyer has regular meetings with members of the jury.
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espola said:
Grading on a curve?
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If it’s a curve then I hate to see the grade the house managers got. They did well the first day but otherwise got played. Given their credentials they should have, if you believe Busker, blown out the ambulance lawyer out of the water.
 
Grace T. said:
If it’s a curve then I hate to see the grade the house managers got. They did well the first day but otherwise got played. Given their credentials they should have, if you believe Busker, blown out the ambulance lawyer out of the water.
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The defense lawyers started the trial with assurance from the jury that they couldn't lose. They didn't lose.

A truer test for t's defense lawyers will come soon in various criminal and civil courts.
 
espola said:
The defense lawyers started the trial with assurance from the jury that they couldn't lose. They didn't lose.

A truer test for t's defense lawyers will come soon in various criminal and civil courts.
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still losing the thread here aren’t you? Busker was making fun of the lawyers legal acumen. They did a good job. The result is totally besides the point since you yourself said it was preordained. The question is what is the quality of the case they presented. Any future cases are irrelevant to that analysis
 
Grace T. said:
still losing the thread here aren’t you? Busker was making fun of the lawyers legal acumen. They did a good job. The result is totally besides the point since you yourself said it was preordained. The question is what is the quality of the case they presented. Any future cases are irrelevant to that analysis
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He started with 45 votes in his pocket and ended up with 43.

What parts of the defense lawyers' presentation do you feel exhibited high-quality legal practice?
 
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