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Here we go again... the federal government at it's best.

RED BLUFF, Calif. — A farmer faces trial in federal court this summer and a $2.8 million fine for failing to get a permit to plow his field and plant wheat in Tehama County.
A lawyer for Duarte Nursery said the case is important because it could set a precedent requiring other farmers to obtain costly, time-consuming permits just to plow.
“The case is the first time that we’re aware of that says you need to get a (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers) permit to plow to grow crops,” said Anthony Francois, a lawyer for the Pacific Legal Foundation. The libertarian-leaning nonprofit fights for private property rights and limited government.
“We’re not going to produce much food under those kinds of regulations,” Francois said.
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© Damon Arthur, Redding (Calif.) Record Searchlight John Duarte faces a $2.8 million fine for plowing this field south of Red Bluff, Calif., in 2012.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he...ollar28m-fine/ar-BBBu6LN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
 
Finally, I have found the answer to an age old question,
where's the beef?
I found the beef. No more school lunches, huh Michelle?
Damn.
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When a 1-year-old stray pit bull was rescued back in October, employees at a local animal shelter knew they would have a difficult time placing him.
The dog, named Leonard, was perceived as a "problem dog," Jim Alloway, executive director for Union County Humane Society in Marysville, Ohio, told CBS News.
"Whatever you're carrying, a wallet, key, bucket, a toy, food — he wants it," explained Alloway, adding that the pit bull exhibited very high hunt, ball and possessiveness drives, none of which make adoption likely. "That's problematic."
Luckily, Leonard was placed in the right shelter.
"A traditional household was not an option for Leonard," Alloway said. "He's definitely not a couch potato."
But Alloway, who has been training police dogs for 20 years, saw Leonard's potential.
"If you throw a ball into the woods and a dog doesn't see where the ball went — does he stay out in the woods and search for it, or does he give up?" Alloway asked. "Leonard would stay out there until you have to drag him back in the house."
Leonard's focus made him a perfect candidate to become a police narcotics dog.
So Alloway contacted Mike Pennington, owner and operator of Storm Dog K9 Training, a facility in Sunbury, Ohio.
It was there Leonard was trained and introduced to Clay Township Police Chief Terry Mitchell — his new handler.
If it weren't for Alloway, an "unadoptable" Leonard would have been euthanized, the Clay Township Police Department said in a statement.
"Fortunately, UCHS Director Jim Alloway recognized those traits as being traits needed for Law Enforcement work," the department added. "Storm Dog Tactical trained Leonard for narcotics detection and then made him available for adoption."
On Tuesday, Leonard was officially certified to become Ohio's first police K-9 pit bull.
"Detective Leonard" will soon be on patrol in Clay Township and will be seen regularly in the Genoa School District helping to keep the area drug free, Mitchell told CBS affiliate WTOL.
"He would just as soon climb on your lap and give you kisses and go to sleep as he would anything else, but he's really taken to the vest," Mitchell said. "When you put that vest on him he's all business. It's like he knows it's time to go to work."
Leonard's story is a perfect example of why you should never give up on a dog, Alloway said.
"We should be treating each animal individually, doing out best that we possibly can with each one," Alloway said. "Maybe that's finding them a home with a traditional family with two kids and fenced backyard, maybe not."
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Lion Eyes said:
Here we go again... the federal government at it's best.

RED BLUFF, Calif. — A farmer faces trial in federal court this summer and a $2.8 million fine for failing to get a permit to plow his field and plant wheat in Tehama County.
A lawyer for Duarte Nursery said the case is important because it could set a precedent requiring other farmers to obtain costly, time-consuming permits just to plow.
“The case is the first time that we’re aware of that says you need to get a (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers) permit to plow to grow crops,” said Anthony Francois, a lawyer for the Pacific Legal Foundation. The libertarian-leaning nonprofit fights for private property rights and limited government.
“We’re not going to produce much food under those kinds of regulations,” Francois said.
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© Damon Arthur, Redding (Calif.) Record Searchlight John Duarte faces a $2.8 million fine for plowing this field south of Red Bluff, Calif., in 2012.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he...ollar28m-fine/ar-BBBu6LN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
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When I read the article it seems to me the issue was not about plowing but a disagreement about how and where they plowed.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Vernal ponds were all over San Diego.
Every mesa full of track homes, once had seasonal vernal pools.
The fairy shrimp look alot like mosquito larva.
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The ones that are preserved are pretty well known, marked off on maps, some protected with fences. Mickey bulldozed them anyway.

One of my favorites (in dry phase) just west of 163 --
https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...3a21fdfd15df79!8m2!3d32.715738!4d-117.1610838

A couple of small ones, crowded with fences --
https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...3a21fdfd15df79!8m2!3d32.715738!4d-117.1610838
 
espola said:
The ones that are preserved are pretty well known, marked off on maps, some protected with fences. Mickey bulldozed them anyway.

One of my favorites (in dry phase) just west of 163 --
https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...3a21fdfd15df79!8m2!3d32.715738!4d-117.1610838

A couple of small ones, crowded with fences --
https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...3a21fdfd15df79!8m2!3d32.715738!4d-117.1610838
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If he owned the property, why were his ponds protected over the ones where you, or anyone else lives?
Any mesa in San Diego with a depression on it, will serve as a vernal pond.

If you think the few you posted are any different, you're just one of a long list of vernal pond idiots.

If you want one, find a mesa, and scratch out a depression, wait for rain, and look for little things that resemble mosquito larva.
 
espola said:
The farmer knew about the wetlands, because he paid to produce maps of them, and he conceded he destroyed some of them. What's the issue?

Sounds like the Mickey Cafagna thing again.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news...rimp-city-san-diego-and-mayor-poway/?page=3&#
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Yeah, he wanted to be sure he could farm the land before he made the purchase.
The fact that a few yards of wetlands were disturbed on property he owns doesn't justify denying this man the right to make a living, nor does it justify the governments attempt to punish the man without due process.
Just another example of over reaching by a government bureaucracy.
Reminds me a bit of Wyoming & a certain stock pond.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Yeah, he wanted to be sure he could farm the land before he made the purchase.
The fact that a few yards of wetlands were disturbed on property he owns doesn't justify denying this man the right to make a living, nor does it justify the governments attempt to punish the man without due process.
Just another example of over reaching by a government bureaucracy.
Reminds me a bit of Wyoming & a certain stock pond.
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"without due process"? Read the first line in the linked USA Today article -- "trial in federal court this summer"
 
Bernie Sanders said:
If he owned the property, why were his ponds protected over the ones where you, or anyone else lives?
Any mesa in San Diego with a depression on it, will serve as a vernal pond.

If you think the few you posted are any different, you're just one of a long list of vernal pond idiots.

If you want one, find a mesa, and scratch out a depression, wait for rain, and look for little things that resemble mosquito larva.
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Speaking of vernal pool idiots.
 
I remember catching spadefoot toads in a pond near the penasquitos slough when I was a kid.
We would catch the poliwogs, and raise them to froghood.
The red diamondbacks would lay in the pickleweed and feast on them. I know this because one morning, I waded into five or six of them without seeing them because of their incredible camo.
I think I was ten or eleven, and it was early in the morning. I was by myself, and I was already in the middle of the marsh area, standing in the pickle weed.

I bend over to look for tadpoles, and I see one snake, coiled, and cold in the morning dew.
It was unmistakably the copper hue of crotalus ruber ruber, and my foot was within inches of it.
Thank God the sun hadn't warmed it up yet.
I started to step away, when I noticed another one not two feet away, then another, and another.
I had waded into a red diamondback mine field. They were everywhere.
How I didnt step on one may have been sheer luck, or providence, I dont know.

Today, that spot is "protected".
There are no more spadefoot toads because the state, in its great wisdom, opened the channel and allowed brackish water to infiltrate the habitat, which completely wiped them out.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I remember catching spadefoot toads in a pond near the penasquitos slough when I was a kid.
We would catch the poliwogs, and raise them to froghood.
The red diamondbacks would lay in the pickleweed and feast on them. I know this because one morning, I waded into five or six of them without seeing them because of their incredible camo.
I think I was ten or eleven, and it was early in the morning. I was by myself, and I was already in the middle of the marsh area, standing in the pickle weed.

I bend over to look for tadpoles, and I see one snake, coiled, and cold in the morning dew.
It was unmistakably the copper hue of crotalus ruber ruber, and my foot was within inches of it.
Thank God the sun hadn't warmed it up yet.
I started to step away, when I noticed another one not two feet away, then another, and another.
I had waded into a red diamondback mine field. They were everywhere.
How I didnt step on one may have been sheer luck, or providence, I dont know.

Today, that spot is "protected".
There are no more spadefoot toads because the state, in its great wisdom, opened the channel and allowed brackish water to infiltrate the habitat, which completely wiped them out.
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What does that have to do with vernal pools?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Ignoramus.
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I don't really know how old you are, but PQ Lagoon has been connected to the ocean off and on since I first saw it 1972 when I biked down from my apartment in Clairemont. Sometimes with the right combinations of storm and rainfall, a sandbar will cut off the lagoon from the ocean except for big waves at high tide. When winter rains raise the level of the lagoon almost high enough to flood out Carmel Valley Road, water will flood over the sandbar and wash it out in about 2 hours, after which tidal flushing is restored until the next sandbar is deposited.
 
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