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Ricky Fandango said:
They went in stupidly, and caused the deaths of innocent people.
No two ways about it.
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They modified weapons to full auto, made 11 and 12 years old "wives" od David, and hid behind the children to stop the feds.

No two ways about it.
 
Andy Dukes said:
11 -12 years old. Nice group of god fearing folks.

Dr. Perry said that though the children seemed highly protective of the cult's secrets, "Over the course of two months, the kids became increasingly open about 11- and 12-year-old girls being David's wives." He said it was also clear in these conversations that the status of "wife" included having sex with Mr. Koresh. Under Texas law, sex by an adult with girls under the age of 17 is statutory rape, a felony.

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/us/growing-up-under-koresh-cult-children-tell-of-abuses.html



You are disgusting.
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Kill em all, Mr abortion dude and I'm disgusting.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Kill em all, Mr abortion dude and I'm disgusting.
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I know this is a crime against hope... and also know that the entire right wing news is based upon grown men being easily lead... but Joe, if you didn't just blindly believe everything you read over on the American Thinker then you wouldn't end up feel the need to lash out with so many personal attacks on fellow soccer parents, or get stuck defending child rapists on a youth soccer website.
 
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tenacious said:
I know this is a crime against hope... and also know that the entire right wing news is based upon grown men being easily lead... but Joe, if you didn't just blindly believe everything you read over on the American Thinker then you wouldn't end up feel the need to lash out with so many personal attacks on fellow soccer parents, or get stuck defending child rapists on a youth soccer website.
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
 
Andy Dukes said:
So what? Are you asking me if the Feds made mistakes. Of course. That incident is used for training for a reason. Are they responsible for the massacre. No fucking way.
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So, if the feds weren't there what would have happened?
Clinton sure liked to send a message.

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espola said:
I agree with that. Then, like we did in Ben Tre, we saved the compound by destroying it.
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My personal experience is if you were to put you, me or your average law enforcement officer into a real life situation with unknown actors, in a hostage situation where a deranged cult leader is using human shields... that the chance of mistakes being made is quite high. Always easy to second guess later on, or to make cracks about destroying the town to save the town. But I'm not sure how fair that is to the people who were there.
 
Andy Dukes said:
How does that kid (now adult) think about what happened to him?
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Not to put words into Joe's mouth but my guess is he's going to say something to the effect of we're not talking about "conservatives" here, so obviously his EG's dad has no parental rights.

I mean, isn't that what it always come down to for Joe?
 
tenacious said:
My personal experience is if you were to put you, me or your average law enforcement officer into a real life situation with unknown actors, in a hostage situation where a deranged cult leader is using human shields... that the chance of mistakes being made is quite high. Always easy to second guess later on, or to make cracks about destroying the town to save the town. But I'm not sure how fair that is to the people who were there.
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Kind of like the Bush's WMDs.
You Dick.
 
tenacious said:
Not to put words into Joe's mouth but my guess is he's going to say something to the effect of we're not talking about "conservatives" here, so obviously his EG's dad has no parental rights.

I mean, isn't that what it always come down to for Joe?
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You are babbling, again.
 
tenacious said:
My personal experience is if you were to put you, me or your average law enforcement officer into a real life situation with unknown actors, in a hostage situation where a deranged cult leader is using human shields... that the chance of mistakes being made is quite high. Always easy to second guess later on, or to make cracks about destroying the town to save the town. But I'm not sure how fair that is to the people who were there.
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ATF knew what they were getting into. Hotheads on the scene who were embarrassed about criticism of the results of the initial assault overruled those who advocated for patience and safety.
 
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