I see both and have written extensively about both here in the new and then in the old forum known as the Kitchen. But you people don't read nor comprehend when you do. You people were so fond of blaming Bush for 6 years of QE during the Obama years that your reasoning became that because Bush did the wrong thing, which he didn't, Obama might as well do the same, which he personally didn't, to save the economy and the world by riding on the coat tails of the American tax payers. In fact, Mr. "you didn't build that" is still claiming that he did "build that" while justifying a near doubling of National debt. I see what Trump has authorized in spending. I also see the 8 year precedent for trillion dollar deficits driven by 3 trillion in annual debt interest from 6 years of QE.