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Sheriff Joe said:
That is why you people shouldn't dismiss churches. The government isn't the solution. You people think the government is the divinity, if the government can give you it, the government can take it away.
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Some in the Catholic Church sure can give it to ya! Churches help in a micro-local way not in any large fashion. Osteen wouldn't even open his doors during the flooding, might get mud on the carpet, and his house's?
 
Multi Sport said:
Did you read the second article? Doesn't exactly make your point, in fact the article never states that the Catholic Church says not to use a condom.

"The Catholic Church has always held that artificial contraception use is immoral. In a 2010 book interview that made waves, Pope Benedict XVI said that while using a condom can represent a step in the right direction as far as showing concern for the other person, it is still an immoral solution to the HIV crisis."

The other link, the hit piece by Salon.. well that was anything but biased.

So I take it you have a problem with abstinence? If you read the second article you would have seen that the HIV infection rates where going down prior to the United States getting involved in Africa... but thanks for posting the articles big guy, good reads.
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I have a problem with abstinence. It is unnatural and it does not work. When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up. Same with all STD's including AIDS. The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms. They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS. And as far as BIAS, I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy. The church itself.
 
Multi Sport said:
The Catholic Church does have its issues but its doctrines are not it. It's the people, like in any organization, that cause the problems. Like I said.. too many people making big $$ and add power to that.
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The doctrines are the people and vise versa. They could have female clergy or married priests but than the power structure would have to change. But instead, you leave the antiquated doctrines in place to keep the evil empire growing. Pour money into new missions in places with less education and infrastructure but never take a positive role leading the locals against drug cartels or corrupt politicians. They really turned there back on Central America and now we end up with 100's of thousands refugees fleeing poverty, death and corruption. All the while the Catholic Church says it represents these people. It sure takes the money form those who can barely feed themselves.
 
QUOTE="Andy Dukes, post: 252572, member: 1268"

I have a problem with abstinence.
It is unnatural and it does not work.
When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up.
Same with all STD's including AIDS.
The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms.
They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS.
And as far as BIAS......
I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy.
The church itself.

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Andy....
Andy ....
Andy....is that YOU ?

" Holy " Crappola.....YOU POSTED THE TRUTH FOR ONCE !

Most Humans ( Catholics ) will shy far away from what YOU just Posted !

THE TRUTH !

 
tenacious said:
One comment I will make, is having now lived almost 2 years in "Progressive" controlled NYC... is boy have I soured on socialists. The highest taxes in the country, beat up infrastructure and what feels like everyday another story about how another of the progressive pet projects has blown through another billion with no results.

I love the city but it's hard not to feel like the future of the country is out west.
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" Tiny " T.....is that you ?

What's going on here....!

I'm in SHOCK !
 
Andy Dukes said:
I have a problem with abstinence. It is unnatural and it does not work. When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up. Same with all STD's including AIDS. The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms. They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS. And as far as BIAS, I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy. The church itself.
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If you read the article you would have seen that HIV infections were going down in Africa was being taught then rose when the United States got involved and changed the process from abstinence to condom use. So your own post goes against what you think.
 
Andy Dukes said:
The doctrines are the people and vise versa. They could have female clergy or married priests but than the power structure would have to change. But instead, you leave the antiquated doctrines in place to keep the evil empire growing. Pour money into new missions in places with less education and infrastructure but never take a positive role leading the locals against drug cartels or corrupt politicians. They really turned there back on Central America and now we end up with 100's of thousands refugees fleeing poverty, death and corruption. All the while the Catholic Church says it represents these people. It sure takes the money form those who can barely feed themselves.
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Your kinda late to the party. There are already Priest who are married and women Priedt are on their way. You are also just singling out Catholics and not the Church as a whole. My Church is very active in India and Africa as are many of the local Churches. Not sure where you get your information from but much of it is wrong or misguided. You used the word evil twice so it's obvious that you are biased against at least the Catholic Church. Yes, some evil things have happened within the Catholic Church but that's why I posted, the people corrupt, not the doctrines.

And what about the drug dealers? You really believe any Church is going to stsnd up to a cartel? You must be smokin the good stuff if you believe that! That's where the government SHOULD be avtive and not turning a blind eye.
 
Multi Sport said:
Your kinda late to the party. There are already Priest who are married and women Priedt are on their way. You are also just singling out Catholics and not the Church as a whole. My Church is very active in India and Africa as are many of the local Churches. Not sure where you get your information from but much of it is wrong or misguided. You used the word evil twice so it's obvious that you are biased against at least the Catholic Church. Yes, some evil things have happened within the Catholic Church but that's why I posted, the people corrupt, not the doctrines.

And what about the drug dealers? You really believe any Church is going to stsnd up to a cartel? You must be smokin the good stuff if you believe that! That's where the government SHOULD be avtive and not turning a blind eye.
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Coucoo.
 
Multi Sport said:
If you read the article you would have seen that HIV infections were going down in Africa was being taught then rose when the United States got involved and changed the process from abstinence to condom use. So your own post goes against what you think.
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Oh man. I posted the article form catholic Times to show it is part of the doctrine of the church. There in lies the evil. You say the people are the problem, I say, the people will be the only saving of the Catholic Church. When you really can have married Priests and Marres Bishops , and once again a married Pope, then there will be a chance. Until then, old men, hiding pedophiles, making doctrine that tries to control women's bodies and continuing to amass tremendous wealth will make sure that the people are treated like lambs, to be fattened for the slaughter.

Sorry, it is hard to understand a cult when you are a member.
 
Multi Sport said:
Your kinda late to the party. There are already Priest who are married and women Priedt are on their way. You are also just singling out Catholics and not the Church as a whole. My Church is very active in India and Africa as are many of the local Churches. Not sure where you get your information from but much of it is wrong or misguided. You used the word evil twice so it's obvious that you are biased against at least the Catholic Church. Yes, some evil things have happened within the Catholic Church but that's why I posted, the people corrupt, not the doctrines.

And what about the drug dealers? You really believe any Church is going to stsnd up to a cartel? You must be smokin the good stuff if you believe that! That's where the government SHOULD be avtive and not turning a blind eye.
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It is not the people that are the problem. The people will someday save the church. As far as standing up to the cartels. Yes, I think the Catholic Church can and should stand up to the cartels. They used to. It was of course mostly the Nuns who took the brutality but it is what it is. I had high hopes for the current Pope but that big old engine of power will not be stopped by one man. It will take you. I look forward to women Priedt, who are married and can become Bishops and Cardinals. Let me know when the first one is elected Cardinal.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Oh man. I posted the article form catholic Times to show it is part of the doctrine of the church. There in lies the evil. You say the people are the problem, I say, the people will be the only saving of the Catholic Church. When you really can have married Priests and Marres Bishops , and once again a married Pope, then there will be a chance. Until then, old men, hiding pedophiles, making doctrine that tries to control women's bodies and continuing to amass tremendous wealth will make sure that the people are treated like lambs, to be fattened for the slaughter.

Sorry, it is hard to understand a cult when you are a member.
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Not a Catholic Andy just someone who views aren't tainted like yours... but nice try.
 
Multi Sport said:
Not a Catholic Andy just someone who views aren't tainted like yours... but nice try.
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My assumption based on your comments was incorrect. Most churches are not cult like. Just people looking for answers through mythology. The Catholic Church is supercharged. Much like clerics in many Muslim countries. A force larger than leading just their own followers. I would not say my view is tainted but does have a bias based on what I have experienced. I would feel better about churches giving to areas less developed if they did not demand the faith of those that they are trying to help. It is an unfair trade. Believe like I do and you want be hungry today. Always a catch in the end.
 
One of my many, many favorite things about the Catholic Church is that you can go to the poorest cities in Latin America and the one nice building in the midst of all the squalor will be the giant, bejeweled and gilded Catholic Church...such irony.
 
messy said:
One of my many, many favorite things about the Catholic Church is that you can go to the poorest cities in Latin America and the one nice building in the midst of all the squalor will be the giant, bejeweled and gilded Catholic Church...such irony.
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Just like the government buildings in the US.
 
nononono said:
" Tiny " T.....is that you ?

What's going on here....!

I'm in SHOCK !
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Not sure what the surprise is... I've always been a moderate dem who looks for practical solutions. It's everyone else in here whose moral and political compass cycles between being Compassionate Conservatives, to hard-core Trumpers to holier the thou Christian Conservative.
 
Andy Dukes said:
My assumption based on your comments was incorrect. Most churches are not cult like. Just people looking for answers through mythology. The Catholic Church is supercharged. Much like clerics in many Muslim countries. A force larger than leading just their own followers. I would not say my view is tainted but does have a bias based on what I have experienced. I would feel better about churches giving to areas less developed if they did not demand the faith of those that they are trying to help. It is an unfair trade. Believe like I do and you want be hungry today. Always a catch in the end.
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I was out riding today with one of my buds. I was sharing with him your views on the Catholic Church and how you feel they should be standing up to the Drug Cartels in South and Central America. After he stopped laughing he looked at me and said "oh, your serious?!". His face totally changed and he starting talking about how naive people are in the United States and that a statement like yours is just plain ignorant. He is from El Salvador so his take on your views are probably coming from his own experiences.
 
tenacious said:
Not sure what the surprise is... I've always been a moderate dem who looks for practical solutions. It's everyone else in here whose moral and political compass cycles between being Compassionate Conservatives, to hard-core Trumpers to holier the thou Christian Conservative.
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Can't be TDs views that are off. It has to be everyone else's because he is so moderate.

Wow... can this guy be anymore full of himeself.
 
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