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Multi Sport said:
I was out riding today with one of my buds. I was sharing with him your views on the Catholic Church and how you feel they should be standing up to the Drug Cartels in South and Central America. After he stopped laughing he looked at me and said "oh, your serious?!". His face totally changed and he starting talking about how naive people are in the United States and that a statement like yours is just plain ignorant. He is from El Salvador so his take on your views are probably coming from his own experiences.
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So he’s given up on the Catholic Church entirely? Is that your point?
 
messy said:
So he’s given up on the Catholic Church entirely? Is that your point?
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He's not Catholic either, but that's irrelevant. Point it is Andy thinks the Catholic Church should be standing up to the Drug Cartels. Maybe Andy can clarify what he means by "standing up to " . But my friend found it laughable given the government's, police and military in that region have not been able to control the cartels... if anything it's the other way around.
 
Multi Sport said:
He's not Catholic either, but that's irrelevant. Point it is Andy thinks the Catholic Church should be standing up to the Drug Cartels. Maybe Andy can clarify what he means by "standing up to " . But my friend found it laughable given the government's, police and military in that region have not been able to control the cartels... if anything it's the other way around.
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What " You " are stating is correct...

I " Think " Andy was trying to convey that the Catholic Church has set
a practice of abstinence that does not work with basic human nature.
Over the last ( just ) 500 years or so it is obvious the ingrained deviancy
that has been practiced within the Catholic Church.
There are many many subjects that I will not discuss on this forum that
the Catholic Church has swept under the rug so to speak and instead opted
to either pay off the accusers or use other more serious methods that could
be deemed quite evil/murderous in nature.

Andy's Original Comment below :

" I have a problem with abstinence.
It is unnatural and it does not work.
When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up.
Same with all STD's including AIDS.
The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms.
They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS.
And as far as BIAS......
I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy.
The church itself. "

He could have presented his argument much more eloquently
and touched on specifics that have/are destroying the inner workings
of the church...
But I do see what his basic premise was...and the Catholic Church has
been guilty for quite some time ( as in hundreds and hundreds of years. )
As for the influence of the Catholic Church in Latin America, that is
a subject that has been debated many times....some say it goes the
other way .....

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/08/21/how-latin-america-influenced-entire-catholic-church
 
nononono said:
What " You " are stating is correct...

I " Think " Andy was trying to convey that the Catholic Church has set
a practice of abstinence that does not work with basic human nature.
Over the last ( just ) 500 years or so it is obvious the ingrained deviancy
that has been practiced within the Catholic Church.
There are many many subjects that I will not discuss on this forum that
the Catholic Church has swept under the rug so to speak and instead opted
to either pay off the accusers or use other more serious methods that could
be deemed quite evil/murderous in nature.

Andy's Original Comment below :

" I have a problem with abstinence.
It is unnatural and it does not work.
When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up.
Same with all STD's including AIDS.
The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms.
They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS.
And as far as BIAS......
I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy.
The church itself. "

He could have presented his argument much more eloquently
and touched on specifics that have/are destroying the inner workings
of the church...
But I do see what his basic premise was...and the Catholic Church has
been guilty for quite some time ( as in hundreds and hundreds of years. )
As for the influence of the Catholic Church in Latin America, that is
a subject that has been debated many times....some say it goes the
other way .....

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/08/21/how-latin-america-influenced-entire-catholic-church
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I think Andy is saying the CC no longer makes martyrs of people who confront real evil even at the risk to their own lives... but rather now spends it's days focused on trendy 1st world issues like contraception/abortion, and figuring out how to deal with child abusing priests.
 
Of course no tough follow up questions for the left wing Sara Palin... like how she hopes to pay any of this socialist utopia? My guess is the newspaper owners are worried tough questions will just upset the cult-of-personality cart that is selling so many newspapers.


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez leaned into her socialist image at SXSW, saying 'capitalism is irredeemable'
https://www.businessinsider.com/ale...sm-is-irredeemable-sxsw-socialist-2019-2019-3

Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's controversial views on capitalism have made her a target of both Republicans and Democrats, who have also balked at her disagreement with moderate politics.

During a talk at SXSW on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez called the moderate perspective "an attitude towards life of, like, 'meh,", according to NBC News.

"We've become so cynical, that we view 'meh,' or 'eh' — we view cynicism as an intellectually superior attitude," Ocasio-Cortez said during a talk at SXSW. "We view ambition as youthful naivete when ... the greatest things we have ever accomplished as a society have been ambitious acts of visions."

She added, "The 'meh' is worshipped now. For what?"

The remarks follow a tweet from Ocasio-Cortez last week criticizing guaranteed minimum wages, that Business Insider's Jim Edwards argued traces Marx's Labour Theory of Value.

"Workers are often paid far less than the value they create," she tweeted, suggesting that there's an economic problem when workers can't afford to buy the products that they make and are underpaid for what they're worth.
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Because socialism always works except where it is tried.

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CARACAS PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS
MADURO BLAMES U.S. CYBERATTACK
NATION WITHOUT INTERNET
LOOTERS TAKE STREETS
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Because socialism always works except where it is tried.

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CARACAS PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS
MADURO BLAMES U.S. CYBERATTACK
NATION WITHOUT INTERNET
LOOTERS TAKE STREETS
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Personally I'm capitalist enough to know that there are times the socialism works better. I just don't think it should be the default position.

I remember when my dd was in 2nd grade she was placed in the GATE program at school. Then Bush passed the "No Child Left Behind" act and all the funding was taken out of the gifted program and instead used to improve the scores of the lowest achieving students. While I appreciate the idea that all the resources and focus going to the weakest that is the backbone of the socialist model... I just think this type of narrow minded focus, when the rubber hits the road, is the path to stagnation. Because quite simply it's the smart / strong / aggressive that will one day go onto be the innovators who will be the rising tide that will improve life for the rest of us.
 
tenacious said:
Personally I'm capitalist enough to know that there are times the socialism works better. I just don't think it should be the default position.

I remember when my dd was in 2nd grade she was placed in the GATE program at school. Then Bush passed the "No Child Left Behind" act and all the funding was taken out of the gifted program and instead used to improve the scores of the lowest achieving students. While I appreciate the idea that all the resources and focus going to the weakest that is the backbone of the socialist model... I just think this type of narrow minded focus, when the rubber hits the road, is the path to stagnation. Because quite simply it's the smart / strong / aggressive that will one day go onto be the innovators who will be the rising tide that will improve life for the rest of us.
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So, a rising tide lifts all boats?
What affect do you think illegals had on your daughter's situation?
Who is responsible for the dumbing down of America?
 
Sheriff Joe said:
So, a rising tide lifts all boats?
What affect do you think illegals had on your daughter's situation?
Who is responsible for the dumbing down of America?
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About the same as the effect on the immigrant kids in the GATE program when the funding got cut.

Smart, intelligent and capable children are a gift. And one of the benefits of immigration is it gives us even more of them.
 
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tenacious said:
About the same as the effect on the immigrant kids in the GATE program when the funding got cut.
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So, if there were not any illegals in our school system your daughter's program would have still been cut?
So, if there were not any illegals in our school system the curriculum would have still been dumbed down?
So, if Ca were still a red state your daughter's program would have still been cut?
 
Sheriff Joe said:
So, if there were not any illegals in our school system your daughter's program would have still been cut?
So, if there were not any illegals in our school system the curriculum would have still been dumbed down?
So, if Ca were still a red state your daughter's program would have still been cut?
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You seem to be trying to lead me to something Joe. Why not just say what your point is and I’ll respond.
 
tenacious said:
About the same as the effect on the immigrant kids in the GATE program when the funding got cut.

Smart, intelligent and capable children are a gift. And one of the benefits of immigration is it gives us even more of them.
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Private school is one option for gifted students....it's also an option for special needs students.
 
tenacious said:
Not when you're a teen parent, making less then $50k per year at that time, trying to raise a young daughter.
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Poppycock.
In this day and age there is no excuse to becoming a teen parent, unless you want to become a parent.
Private schools offer and arrange for grants in aide.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Poppycock.
In this day and age there is no excuse to becoming a teen parent, unless you want to become a parent.
Private schools offer and arrange for grants in aide.
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Great point Lion... I should have just asked the magic Private School Faerie to leave the funds under my pillow.
 
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