Andy Dukes
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How does that kid (now adult) think about what happened to him?So, if the feds weren't there what would have happened?
Clinton sure liked to send a message.
How does that kid (now adult) think about what happened to him?So, if the feds weren't there what would have happened?
Clinton sure liked to send a message.
I agree with that. Then, like we did in Ben Tre, we saved the compound by destroying it.
How does that kid (now adult) think about what happened to him?
Kind of like the Bush's WMDs.My personal experience is if you were to put you, me or your average law enforcement officer into a real life situation with unknown actors, in a hostage situation where a deranged cult leader is using human shields... that the chance of mistakes being made is quite high. Always easy to second guess later on, or to make cracks about destroying the town to save the town. But I'm not sure how fair that is to the people who were there.
You are babbling, again.Not to put words into Joe's mouth but my guess is he's going to say something to the effect of we're not talking about "conservatives" here, so obviously his EG's dad has no parental rights.
I mean, isn't that what it always come down to for Joe?
My personal experience is if you were to put you, me or your average law enforcement officer into a real life situation with unknown actors, in a hostage situation where a deranged cult leader is using human shields... that the chance of mistakes being made is quite high. Always easy to second guess later on, or to make cracks about destroying the town to save the town. But I'm not sure how fair that is to the people who were there.
You should ask his psychiatrist.How does that kid (now adult) think about what happened to him?
ATF knew what they were getting into. Hotheads on the scene who were embarrassed about criticism of the results of the initial assault overruled those who advocated for patience and safety.
Anyone know what POS is responsible for this?
Russia is squeezing NASA for more than $3.3 billion — and there's little anyone can do about it
- Dave Mosher
- Sep 2, 2016, 12:28 PM ET
Bill Ingalls/NASA via Getty Images
A Russian Soyuz spacecraft launches from the Baikonur Cosmodrome on July 7, 2016. NASA will end up paying $81 million per seat by 2018.
NASA is in quite a financial pickle with the Russians.
When the agency retired its space shuttle program in 2011, it was banking on commercial carriers - ultimately SpaceX and Boeing - to design, build, and test proven systems to launch its astronauts into space by 2015.
But those plans have been waylaid by 3 years, according to a buck-stopping audit by NASA's Office of Inspector General (OIG) on Thursday, Sept. 1, 2016.
This leaves the agency with one option for sending astronauts to and from the International Space Station (ISS) 220 miles above Earth: a Russian spacecraft called the Soyuz.
And Russia is taking full advantage of its temporary monopoly.
Roscosmos, Russia's space agency, used to charge NASA as little as $21.8 million per seat in 2008 (when the space shuttle was still around).
By 2018, however, it intends to charge NASA $81 million per seat by 2018 - a cost increase of 372% over 10 years:
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How much NASA is paying Russia for each US astronaut seat aboard a Soyuz spacecraft from 2006 through 2018.
The latest NASA OIG audit - coincidentally released the morning that SpaceX's uncrewed Falcon 9 rocket exploded on a launch padduring a routine test (no one was harmed, but Facebook's first satellite was destroyed) - follows up on a report it released in November 2013.
The new audit finds that the delays by SpaceX and Boeing is going to cost NASA dearly in payments to Roscosmos.
"Had the Agency met its original goal of securing commercial crew transportation by calendar year 2015, NASA could have avoided paying Russia close to $1 billion for Soyuz seats in 2017 and 2018, even factoring in the purchase of some seats in 2016 to cover the expected transition period," the OIG report states.
The chart below factors in the price of a seat and the number of astronauts that NASA plans to launch (about six per year), to show how much NASA has paid Russia and could end up paying. The total cost over 12 years is more than $3.36 billion.
Your post reminds me of that quote by Cormac McCarthy that says something to the effect of “you never know what worse luck, you bad luck saved you from.” As I recall the siege at Waco lasted almost two months. What if it went on another two months and then DK gave all his followers the Jonestown Koolaid, and all of them died. Would that be a better outcome?
Also I can’t help but notice that in a world of copycat mass shooters- the government actions made enough of an impression that no one is copycatting Waco. Think that also has to be factored into how we judge events on that day. So while I agree the outcome was far from ideal, let’s not get ahead of ourselves in talking by pretending it couldn’t have been much worse.
We don't have to. he has done multitudes of interviews.You should ask his psychiatrist.
Your post reminds me of that quote by Cormac McCarthy that says something to the effect of “you never know what worse luck, you bad luck saved you from.” As I recall the siege at Waco lasted almost two months. What if it went on another two months and then DK gave all his followers the Jonestown Koolaid, and all of them died. Would that be a better outcome?
Also I can’t help but notice that in a world of copycat mass shooters- the government actions made enough of an impression that no one is copycatting Waco. Think that also has to be factored into how we judge events on that day. So while I agree the outcome was far from ideal, let’s not get ahead of ourselves in talking by pretending it couldn’t have been much worse.
My personal experience is if you were to put you, me or your average law enforcement officer into a real life situation with unknown actors, in a hostage situation where a deranged cult leader is using human shields... that the chance of mistakes being made is quite high. Always easy to second guess later on, or to make cracks about destroying the town to save the town. But I'm not sure how fair that is to the people who were there.