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Bruddah IZ said:
Apparently it's not as obvious. Despite the alleged intellect. Capitalism is not all or nothing. Don't get that mixed up with the Collectivist rule that is all or nothing. Have you forgotten the millions murdered? Does this reminder make you nauseous?
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You once again mis read my statement. You and yours lack of excepting the fact that are system is a capitalism with the good parts of socialism mixed in is the all or nothing part.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
INTERVIEWER: I wanted you also to counter another argument that I hear constantly: “I earned it!”

WOLFF: The best way to describe this is … to go back to Karl Marx and his analysis of xaviism. So that we all understand what “earning” is about. Let’s imagine you are a person looking for a job and I’m the employer that you are looking to get hired by. … Let’s say we dicker back and forth and we agree on $20 an hour….

At this point Marx enters with a smile on his face and says, I’m going to show you (the reader of his books) that when that deal is done, the $20 an hour, something is going on that you actually know, but you don’t want to face, but I’m going to show it to you. When I hire you for twenty bucks an hour, I know that for every hour that you give me your work, your brains, your muscles to work, I know that I’m going to have more stuff to sell at the end of the day because you were added to my workforce. You’re going to help me produce more goods or more services or better quality goods and services

The output has got to be more than twenty bucks. The only way I’m going to hire you for $20 an hour is if you produce more in the hour than I give you. So, when you feel, in a vague way, at the end of the day that you’re being ripped off, you’re absolutely right, or, in Marx’s language, “exploited.”

So, what does the xavi say? “I earned it!” No, you didn’t, you just ripped people off. (m.f.k.a. "you didn't build that")
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You make the accurate point that capital is the side of the labor/capital equation that makes the profit. Husky and I are making the point that the differential between the profits of management and the wages of labor has become unprecedentedly (if that's a word) huge and that ridiculous gap seems dangerous for our societal well-being.
 
xav10 said:
You make the accurate point that capital is the side of the labor/capital equation that makes the profit. Husky and I are making the point that the differential between the profits of management and the wages of labor has become unprecedentedly (if that's a word) huge and that ridiculous gap seems dangerous for our societal well-being.
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"Show me"
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Why is that of your concern?
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It always concerns me when liberty is being attacked by a system that has killed millions, wasted resources and, destroyed otherwise thriving economies. That you want to emulate such practices by creating health care in the absence of a market (whatever that means) is very concerning. Sounds extractive. Sounds like the anatomy of a State, sounds like the current disaster that is Venezuela.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You once again mis read my statement. You and yours lack of excepting the fact that are system is a capitalism with the good parts of socialism mixed in is the all or nothing part.
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You're the only one saying all or nothing by advocating a system that literally kills people that disagree with collectivism. Denmark mixes social programs in to it's modern market by opting out of the EU economically and thus preserving their social programs by mitigating the risk that the EU currently poses with French, German and Italian banks.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
It always concerns me when liberty is being attacked by a system that has killed millions, wasted resources and, destroyed otherwise thriving economies. That you want to emulate such practices by creating health care in the absence of a market (whatever that means) is very concerning. Sounds extractive. Sounds like the anatomy of a State, sounds like the current disaster that is Venezuela.
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IZ, have you ever been to Canada or Holland or Germany? What does Venezuela have to with anything?
 
xav10 said:
I thought blue-collar workers are all pissed off, that's why they voted for Trump. You're saying it's not a problem?
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Like Trump, Izzy will say whatever, whenever and when asked about it, crickets, then when pressed he blames the inquisitor, claiming lack of comprehension on their part. It's been this way for years since he quit being real in here.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
It always concerns me when liberty is being attacked by a system that has killed millions, wasted resources and, destroyed otherwise thriving economies. That you want to emulate such practices by creating health care in the absence of a market (whatever that means) is very concerning. Sounds extractive. Sounds like the anatomy of a State, sounds like the current disaster that is Venezuela.
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Move to Venezuela and get involved then.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
You're the only one saying all or nothing by advocating a system that literally kills people that disagree with collectivism. Denmark mixes social programs in to it's modern market by opting out of the EU economically and thus preserving their social programs by mitigating the risk that the EU currently poses with French, German and Italian banks.
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By all or nothing I mean overtime you are told that parts of our system are based on socialism (everyone pitching in to pay for needed services, military, roads, water systems etc.) you cry Venezuela. There is that nasty nuance thing I always say you people on the other side of the pitch have such difficulty with. As 2outta Andy has said 500 times, "How is asking to replace capitalism with socialism?" You are creating a boogie man.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Like Trump, Izzy will say whatever, whenever and when asked about it, crickets, then when pressed he blames the inquisitor, claiming lack of comprehension on their part. It's been this way for years since he quit being real in here.
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You keep wasting more and more words while crickets drown out your comprehension driven response to the AEI article.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
You keep wasting more and more words while crickets drown out your comprehension driven response to the AEI article.
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AND YOURS? You keep hiding behind words. Like a boxer when you are unsure of the opponents moves you keep your feet moving and avoid direct confrontation waiting for your opponent to make the first move as it is always easier to counter . . . very The Art of War of you Izzy-san.
 
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