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Hüsker Dü said:
Yet you are swayed, heavily in some cases (see: nono, lil 'joe), by the influence of think tanks, Aren't you at all interested where and why they promote what they do? . . . and no, they aren't hiring or advertising, they want you to feel they have no influence on what you think.
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Who told you that?
 
xav10 said:
Everybody demands higher wages. I stay out in front of it because I don't want to lose my people to the competition. Costs too much time and money to train newbies. Maybe I'd make more at the end of the day if I paid less, but as I said, I don't have shareholders to worry about and if I make a little less, that's ok. I'm betting that the stability and productivity make me more, though.
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INTERVIEWER: I wanted you also to counter another argument that I hear constantly: “I earned it!”

WOLFF: The best way to describe this is … to go back to Karl Marx and his analysis of xaviism. So that we all understand what “earning” is about. Let’s imagine you are a person looking for a job and I’m the employer that you are looking to get hired by. … Let’s say we dicker back and forth and we agree on $20 an hour….

At this point Marx enters with a smile on his face and says, I’m going to show you (the reader of his books) that when that deal is done, the $20 an hour, something is going on that you actually know, but you don’t want to face, but I’m going to show it to you. When I hire you for twenty bucks an hour, I know that for every hour that you give me your work, your brains, your muscles to work, I know that I’m going to have more stuff to sell at the end of the day because you were added to my workforce. You’re going to help me produce more goods or more services or better quality goods and services

The output has got to be more than twenty bucks. The only way I’m going to hire you for $20 an hour is if you produce more in the hour than I give you. So, when you feel, in a vague way, at the end of the day that you’re being ripped off, you’re absolutely right, or, in Marx’s language, “exploited.”

So, what does the xavi say? “I earned it!” No, you didn’t, you just ripped people off. (m.f.k.a. "you didn't build that")
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Do you always think stating the obvious is somehow a sign of intellect? . . , and Bernie gave you a winner as if he thinks it's smart as well, maybe he is the dumbass he says he is? You all or nothing types are really funny.
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Apparently it's not as obvious. Despite the alleged intellect. Capitalism is not all or nothing. Don't get that mixed up with the Collectivist rule that is all or nothing. Have you forgotten the millions murdered? Does this reminder make you nauseous?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Apparently it's not as obvious. Despite the alleged intellect. Capitalism is not all or nothing. Don't get that mixed up with the Collectivist rule that is all or nothing. Have you forgotten the millions murdered? Does this reminder make you nauseous?
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You once again mis read my statement. You and yours lack of excepting the fact that are system is a capitalism with the good parts of socialism mixed in is the all or nothing part.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
INTERVIEWER: I wanted you also to counter another argument that I hear constantly: “I earned it!”

WOLFF: The best way to describe this is … to go back to Karl Marx and his analysis of xaviism. So that we all understand what “earning” is about. Let’s imagine you are a person looking for a job and I’m the employer that you are looking to get hired by. … Let’s say we dicker back and forth and we agree on $20 an hour….

At this point Marx enters with a smile on his face and says, I’m going to show you (the reader of his books) that when that deal is done, the $20 an hour, something is going on that you actually know, but you don’t want to face, but I’m going to show it to you. When I hire you for twenty bucks an hour, I know that for every hour that you give me your work, your brains, your muscles to work, I know that I’m going to have more stuff to sell at the end of the day because you were added to my workforce. You’re going to help me produce more goods or more services or better quality goods and services

The output has got to be more than twenty bucks. The only way I’m going to hire you for $20 an hour is if you produce more in the hour than I give you. So, when you feel, in a vague way, at the end of the day that you’re being ripped off, you’re absolutely right, or, in Marx’s language, “exploited.”

So, what does the xavi say? “I earned it!” No, you didn’t, you just ripped people off. (m.f.k.a. "you didn't build that")
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You make the accurate point that capital is the side of the labor/capital equation that makes the profit. Husky and I are making the point that the differential between the profits of management and the wages of labor has become unprecedentedly (if that's a word) huge and that ridiculous gap seems dangerous for our societal well-being.
 
xav10 said:
You make the accurate point that capital is the side of the labor/capital equation that makes the profit. Husky and I are making the point that the differential between the profits of management and the wages of labor has become unprecedentedly (if that's a word) huge and that ridiculous gap seems dangerous for our societal well-being.
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"Show me"
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Why is that of your concern?
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It always concerns me when liberty is being attacked by a system that has killed millions, wasted resources and, destroyed otherwise thriving economies. That you want to emulate such practices by creating health care in the absence of a market (whatever that means) is very concerning. Sounds extractive. Sounds like the anatomy of a State, sounds like the current disaster that is Venezuela.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You once again mis read my statement. You and yours lack of excepting the fact that are system is a capitalism with the good parts of socialism mixed in is the all or nothing part.
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You're the only one saying all or nothing by advocating a system that literally kills people that disagree with collectivism. Denmark mixes social programs in to it's modern market by opting out of the EU economically and thus preserving their social programs by mitigating the risk that the EU currently poses with French, German and Italian banks.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
It always concerns me when liberty is being attacked by a system that has killed millions, wasted resources and, destroyed otherwise thriving economies. That you want to emulate such practices by creating health care in the absence of a market (whatever that means) is very concerning. Sounds extractive. Sounds like the anatomy of a State, sounds like the current disaster that is Venezuela.
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IZ, have you ever been to Canada or Holland or Germany? What does Venezuela have to with anything?
 
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