ODP in California

Sike said:
Yikes, that is brutal. Looks like our 2006 girls team has a few ECNL players (including some very good ones), but most are not top SoCal players. I suspect lack of participation here is a combination of girls preferring to play hs (although it appears you can do both) and realizing that making the trip to AZ for 14-1 games is a waste of a time.
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Some states will not be able to field teams that can compete anywhere near Cal South (Alaska, Idaho, New Mexico, Wyoming). But depending on age group or girls/boys there are states that field very talented teams that can take down Cal South (Arizona, Nor Cal, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Hawaii, Colorado).
 
Not true. When Cal South sends their top players, the Cal South girls will win the vast majority of the time against AZ, Nor Cal, Wash, and Colorado. Only Nor Cal and Colorado are the real threats. These recent ODP teams had some DPL players on them—hardly the best from Cal South. And you can tell by the results. Sorry, but the majority of top Cal South players have left the ODP program far behind. But now we have replacements in ID2 and PDP—just new initials for where the parents can send the checks.
 
LouSag said:
Not true. When Cal South sends their top players, the Cal South girls will win the vast majority of the time against AZ, Nor Cal, Wash, and Colorado. Only Nor Cal and Colorado are the real threats. These recent ODP teams had some DPL players on them—hardly the best from Cal South. And you can tell by the results. Sorry, but the majority of top Cal South players have left the ODP program far behind. But now we have replacements in ID2 and PDP—just new initials for where the parents can send the checks.
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Looking at the results they win the vast majority of them now. As far as I know SoCal is the only group that does invite only, the rest of the states do tryouts and consequently have some non letter league players on the pitch.
 
Sike said:
Yikes, that is brutal. Looks like our 2006 girls team has a few ECNL players (including some very good ones), but most are not top SoCal players. I suspect lack of participation here is a combination of girls preferring to play hs (although it appears you can do both) and realizing that making the trip to AZ for 14-1 games is a waste of a time.
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Obviosly the AZ team didn't field the top 06 girls. They are either playing HS or winter training with their ECNL/GA team. Unfortunate for both sides.
 
LouSag said:
Not true. When Cal South sends their top players, the Cal South girls will win the vast majority of the time against AZ, Nor Cal, Wash, and Colorado. Only Nor Cal and Colorado are the real threats. These recent ODP teams had some DPL players on them—hardly the best from Cal South. And you can tell by the results. Sorry, but the majority of top Cal South players have left the ODP program far behind. But now we have replacements in ID2 and PDP—just new initials for where the parents can send the checks.
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In Norcal, the best players don't do ODP as they are engaged in GA and ECNL teams which discourage players to even tryout for ODP. Hence you have a watered down Cal North team and I imagine other states. Only one club in the Bay Area allows their ECNL kids to play ODP with the others opting to send their kids to PDP. PDP is also MUCH less expensive than ODP. It seems like the top players in Socal play ODP for the first 1-2 years then opt to playing club, which is not always the case in Norcal
 
Did 2010s (Boys and Girls) pretty much ignore Orange County? Also, did CalSouth do their best to only take on kids who played with CSL (as opposed to now SOCAL) because CSL remains a league under CalSouth? Strangely, for the boys side, the pool of players appears to be all mostly from Ventura and up, and very little in LA and/or OC.
 
You can play HS and ODP at the same time. Club is not going right now due to the HS break. The player pool selection of over 500 kids for Cal South is then filtered down to 186 to travel to the Regionals. I don’t know many who were selected to the pool who then decide it’s not worth it. The very inexpensive cost of ODP does not make Cal South any money. It barely covers the cost of the pizza they feed the kids after the games.
 
soccermail2020 said:
You can play HS and ODP at the same time. Club is not going right now due to the HS break. The player pool selection of over 500 kids for Cal South is then filtered down to 186 to travel to the Regionals. I don’t know many who were selected to the pool who then decide it’s not worth it. The very inexpensive cost of ODP does not make Cal South any money. It barely covers the cost of the pizza they feed the kids after the games.
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This is correct for the players selected for the ODP teams. Where Cal South has historically made money on the ODP program is the ODP summer camps. They attract kids who hope they will be scouted there and invited to an ODP pool, even though that has mostly just been a pipe dream.
 
marioz said:
Did 2010s (Boys and Girls) pretty much ignore Orange County? Also, did CalSouth do their best to only take on kids who played with CSL (as opposed to now SOCAL) because CSL remains a league under CalSouth? Strangely, for the boys side, the pool of players appears to be all mostly from Ventura and up, and very little in LA and/or OC.
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For 2010 girls all of the players invited were CSL. For 2009 girls there were a lot of non-CSL carryover girls from early 2020 pool...the final roster was 16 ECNL and 2 non-CSL players.
 
For 2005 girls there was one CSL player. Most were from ECNL. Arizona and Utah at this age group had a high level of ECNL as well. Washington didn't as they planned on heading to Florida for big ECNL tourney and cancelled so only had about 1/3 of the team ECNL as they made some late additions.

Cost was $400 which included food, transportation, room, backpacks and some gear. 4 nights. I'm pretty sure they actually lose some money on ODP.
 
soccermail2020 said:
You can play HS and ODP at the same time. Club is not going right now due to the HS break. The player pool selection of over 500 kids for Cal South is then filtered down to 186 to travel to the Regionals. I don’t know many who were selected to the pool who then decide it’s not worth it. The very inexpensive cost of ODP does not make Cal South any money. It barely covers the cost of the pizza they feed the kids after the games.
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I paid $100 for her only invite and few drives up to Ventura. The next year was GDA and we know the story on that. It was fun and a good experience for my dd. She was told not to go but she went anyways. Missed the final cut and was bummed to miss out on the fun ride to AZ with all the other top selections. She didn;t cry about it and was determined to work even harder for, The List to come in 2017....lol! ODP was no more she was told and to fix her dreams on THE LIST!!!
 
socalkdg said:
For 2005 girls there was one CSL player. Most were from ECNL. Arizona and Utah at this age group had a high level of ECNL as well. Washington didn't as they planned on heading to Florida for big ECNL tourney and cancelled so only had about 1/3 of the team ECNL as they made some late additions.

Cost was $400 which included food, transportation, room, backpacks and some gear. 4 nights. I'm pretty sure they actually lose some money on ODP.
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I would suspect that at the HS ages there were very few AZ ECNL girls. The reason? Right now it is HS soccer season and they are not allowed to play outside of HS games.
 
Desert Hound said:
I would suspect that at the HS ages there were very few AZ ECNL girls. The reason? Right now it is HS soccer season and they are not allowed to play outside of HS games.
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You can play HS & ODP, its one of two exceptions, the other being YNT. Strangely I have it immediately available :rolleyes:

14.4.1.1 EXCEPTION: Athletes are permitted to tryout for and compete with the U. S. Soccer Federation national team training camps and/or matches, as well as training camps or matches as a roster player in the Olympic Development Program state, regional, and/or national team.
 
whatithink said:
You can play HS & ODP, its one of two exceptions, the other being YNT. Strangely I have it immediately available :rolleyes:

14.4.1.1 EXCEPTION: Athletes are permitted to tryout for and compete with the U. S. Soccer Federation national team training camps and/or matches, as well as training camps or matches as a roster player in the Olympic Development Program state, regional, and/or national team.
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I stand corrected.

That said over the years I have not seen much interest by ECNL girls to play ODP in AZ. They are rather busy with HS games/practice.

What I have seen are the ECNL girls not playing HS soccer are the ones that may do ODP.

So unless this year was different, the vast majority of any of the HS age rosters for AZ ODP did not have much in the way of ECNL girls playing.
 
I would agree with several others in this forum that ODP is probably not what it once was....although my exposure has only been over the past three years (and on the girls side). My DD enjoyed the process, playing with other quality players, the bonding, etc....and winning certainly helps. 2020 threw a wrench into her ODP team traveling to Kansas City, and also the Inter-Regional in Florida. Certainly disappointments. And definitely no guarantees...as she didn't make the ODP West team in 2021. She even had a coach in Ojai tell her she thought she would go further as a defender....a tough pill to swallow for someone that has played nothing but forward. But, I've tried to tell her, when she gets to college, where and when she plays is up to her coach....so be willing to adjust.

Again, based on the list of invited players (many of whom have already committed), not surprising they choose to skip ODP. Not a knock, just a reality. As for the exposure, I only noted a couple of coaches in Mesa last weekend. So, it is clearly not the draw it once was....

A great experience. But, it definitely doesn't carry the weight of getting invited to a YNT camp or even the looks one would get at an ECNL showcase.
 
marioz said:
Did 2010s (Boys and Girls) pretty much ignore Orange County? Also, did CalSouth do their best to only take on kids who played with CSL (as opposed to now SOCAL) because CSL remains a league under CalSouth? Strangely, for the boys side, the pool of players appears to be all mostly from Ventura and up, and very little in LA and/or OC.
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Cal South did not take 2010 teams (boys or girls) to the ODP championships in Mesa. Only teams for the 05 - 09 age groups traveled (10 teams).
 
Desert Hound said:
I stand corrected.

That said over the years I have not seen much interest by ECNL girls to play ODP in AZ. They are rather busy with HS games/practice.

What I have seen are the ECNL girls not playing HS soccer are the ones that may do ODP.

So unless this year was different, the vast majority of any of the HS age rosters for AZ ODP did not have much in the way of ECNL girls playing.
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Both keepers were ECNL. Claire Brogdon and Faith Luckey. If you go over the 2005 roster they had a number ECNL players. They were very good and had not given up a goal until losing in the Semi's to Cal South. My daughter and the other keeper were impressed with Claire and when they saw her crying after the loss went over to her to tell her how amazing she was.
 
Perhaps another indication of where ODP stands....ZERO coverage from topdrawersoccer....Considering they typically cover or release a synopsis of just about every youth event going on....GA, ECNL, YNT, etc.
 
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