GalaxyGirls
BRONZE
What do you mean final..like they don't reevaluate year to year?
ODP in California
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Typically they do but Covid may have inhibited future scouting and player selection. Therefore it seems they did not change the list they were working from.
Every State has a ODP team at each age bracket, with California having 2 (Cal North and Cal South, or CN and CS). So 18 kids are chosen. They then take 12-13 states from 4 different regions and make 4 regional teams. This is chosen from a camp for each region over 4 days.
When my daughter went to the camp it was in Ojai and she was there with about 16 other CS girls, and a total of about 130 girls, including 13 other goalkeepers, from West region States like Utah, Washington, Arizona, etc. There is also East, South, and Midwest camps. Then one team is chosen for each of those regions with 18 girls, giving you 4 teams of 18 players. These 72 players went to Florida just before Thanksgiving, and played games and trained. They then chose a final team of 20-24 girls that is going to the ODP National Training Center.
They also have Region Championships which was just held in Arizona where Cal South beat Utah in the finals to win 2005 age bracket. My daughter played games 1,3,5, which included the finals. First three games every field player was getting time, but semi's and finals saw a shorter bench.
Yes the team is reevaluated year to year. There are some nuances to that, of course.
Buzz Cook
BRONZE
Re: the ‘05 girls…only one from Cal Sourh (CS)… Samantha Sanchez plays for MVLA in the bay area…and is incorrectly noted as being from Cal South. Again, my original point is that you have six age groups heading to Florida for the ODP NTC, and there’s only one girl from Southern California….period. If I counted correctly there’s damn near 20 from Florida. Are you telling me that’s the disparity between talent found in both regions? Apparently somebody from Cal South pissed people off…or it really makes you wonder who the hell is doing the evaluating?
MicPaPa
GOLD
I'm telling you ODP is a joke.
Check this out Buzz. My dd old Doc and coach, at her old club, told her and all the US Youth National Championship players on her team not to go to Ojai because ODP is a joke and the Girls Development Academy is now the "FDA" so to speak for the Youth National Team selection process. We used to have the kiddos go from ODP to the YNT to the WNT. Then in one big swoop, ECNL and ODP was regulated to shit soccer because GDA was now the top league and held the power and the control to "The List." It's the title of my book I'm writing. It went to Club & Doc and then if play nice and obey the Doc mandates, you can make his list, which he then picks for The List. The Doc for my dd, who happen to also run the United States Youth Soccer Training Center as well, told all the players at the club not to go Ojai and you better not get injured if you go. He said, "ODP is like HSS. Players get hurt and it's all kickball. US Soccer, he said is out lawing kickball style that the US plays and only possession will be allowed. Plus, the US Scouts are all over at GDA now." You know what the fuck happen Buzz? The ODP scouts went to the GDA and put on US Soccer shirts. I kid you not and that was when the light turned on and I knew I got snake oiled. Try rubbing that shit off your face after it get's in your eyes. I watched all this happen to the kids. Poor players, right? Plus, parents get their chains yanked with this bullshit. Let's clean it up men and let's have real promotion without pay to play. BTW, I told the Doc & Coach my dd has waited her whole life to get in that van and try her luck against the best of the best of the best. Long story, no one from that club was going to be picked so most did not go. My dd went and broke her wrist, so the punk Doc thought he was right about injuries at Ojai. The selection process is bias at best. Socal soccer turf war. This whole BS needs to blown up and something fair and balance needs to come into play.
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GoldenGate
GOLD
Here you go again demanding free handouts. You may as well be whining about how unfair it is to pay for piano lessons, equestrian or to own a Ferrari. High quality youth soccer training costs money, and that is how it is.
What's up Doc?
GoldenGate
GOLD
Just because you're willing to mooch off public assistance for the rest of your life does not mean that club DOCs and coaches are willing to do so.
GoldenGate
GOLD
Where is your kid going to play in college?
Ok Doctor GG, thanks for the put down again. This Doc, Tad, is one of the few Docs I will hold up in high regard. Honest, open and transparent. He taught my dd for two years and if that GDA league never formed and the age change never changed, she would have been in safe place until this year. But no, dad and dd got snake oiled. He also is the Founder of ODP and the Founder of the original U15 YNT. Thank you Coach Tad for teaching my dd the four areas of soccer. I will say the mental aspects regarding politics and pay to play is way more insane then we both ever imagined. GG, the things other Docs said about this kind and honest man is insane and wrong as well and I might just share the emails. It's scik actually and sad to go after a man who gave so much to the girls game. Love you Tad
GoldenGate
GOLD
Ok Doctor GG, thanks for the put down again. This Doc, Tad, is one of the few Docs I will hold up in high regard. Honest, open and transparent. He taught my dd for two years and if that GDA league never formed and the age change never changed, she would have been in safe place until this year. But no, dad and dd got snake oiled. He also is the Founder of ODP and the Founder of the original U15 YNT. Thank you Coach Tad for teaching my dd the four areas of soccer. I will say the mental aspects regarding politics and pay to play is way more insane then we both ever imagined. GG, the things other Docs said about this kind and honest man is insane and wrong as well and I might just share the emails. It's scik actually and sad to go after a man who gave so much to the girls game. Love you Tad
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It is not GDA's fault that things did not work out for you. It is your fault. You burned bridges with college coaches when your kid was in middle school when you told them to stick it because she was going pro right out of HS. You burned bridges with clubs to chase fake "national championships" for a twelve year old girl for the sake of your own ego. You apparently bailed on the one decent coach your kid ever had because you were chasing free handouts. And you won't support your own family financially. These are all decisions that you made. Not US Soccer. Not other clubs. Not other coaches. You. You spent many years making it very clear to every single person around you that you are cancer, and it is a real shame to the extent your behavior impacts your child's future.
Actually this is the one that plays for Arsenal ECNL. You see, I was actually there and my kid was actually part of this group. The problem I saw was that the West Region had less kids chosen this year from Cal South, thus less were competing for a chance at the NTC. I believe Washington had the largest number of players chosen at the 05 group for the West Region team with 5 players. All the Washington girls were from ECNL.
Understand no selection system is perfect, many kids slip through the cracks. Some might make it and you wonder how. I will say there were only 5 ECNL teams represented from So Cal, making up about 2/3 of the players, in the past it might have been 8 teams and 90% of the players. Note I'm only talking about the 05's as I had first hand knowledge of these players.
I did notice my daughter played about average in Florida during her 3 games while she played really well in Arizona. She didn't have many practices or games with the Florida team while she had more practices and playing time with the team that went to Arizona. Jet lag, more comfortable, experience, who knows why the one was much better than the other. But understand when you have just a few games to impress, you can end up with different results. I can understand Florida girls doing better in Florida.
WatchthemPlay
BRONZE
In one of the age groups, there were 0 ECNL players from San Diego Surf, HB Koge, Beach, Blues, etc…the top clubs and players. They weren’t on the original ODP list for tryouts. My guess is that those clubs don’t view ODP as valuable otherwise they would be recommending all of the top players right and left. At least in the age groups I am familiar with, these weren’t the top players. So, in response, it makes sense they wouldn’t be selected for the final ODP team (still a little surprising, but not a total shock).
Who is in charge of the “scouting” for ODP?
Do you think the ODP or the YNT should just go directly to the kid and parent? Or, should they get "permission" by the Doc? My dd Doc 100% said you best better not go. It was crazy times because the age changed and all the Docs were at Ojai recruiting all the top 04 goats. I was shocked to be honest. ODP scout yanking it up with the Docs about, I don;t what, but it was sure was fun to see my kid compete with Socals finest.
futboldad1
PREMIER
lol......that is indeed the question
......maybes the ODP teams should play Surf or another ECNL team with no picks and see how the score goes........
MicPaPa
GOLD
Right back.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Looks like SCDSL.