Not a minute or penny more!

Thoughtful and appreciated. But I don't think is quite so clear cut since what defines hatred and discrimination is, in many instances, subjective rather than objective. For some, saying that a person's sex is based on that person's physiology rather than that person's perception of self (which some would assert is really gender rather than sex) is a matter of biology and not bigotry. JK Rowling's twitter feed indicates that others view that as discrimination and hatred with a vitriol that any reasonable person would see as much more offensive than a nuanced disagreement over terms. Some people agree that there is racism is America but that it is not so institutionally systemic as others might believe. There is legitimate scholarship on both sides. Does one of those positions constitute discrimination and hatred? Does it depend on who you ask? Who gets to decide who else is righteously cancelled? What makes that judgment so pure and so fair?

I agree that people should absolutely be held accountable for what they say and what they think, so I have no issue with Reebok pulling its association with CrossFit based on what its founder said if that is what it wants to do. People can buy Reebok or not based on their support of its culture or rejection of it or just whether they like what it sells. But exercising that choice does not come at the risk of being characterized as racist, evil, bigoted, etc. Are people who question whether public officials who deem mass protests related to race as necessary and protests of health orders that have innumerable significant consequences as based in white supremacy (really?) are acting in good faith based on science and without a political agenda racist? I did that despite agreeing with the need for all sorts of race-related reforms in this country. For many, that makes me a racist bigot. I do not accept that label.

What now constitutes hate speech - or silence as imputed hate speech - is a problem in my view. There is no longer a space for well-meaning disagreement or even electing not to have anything to say. Is it not possible to criticize a protester's tactics without criticizing the message? If I say looting and destroying property and even killing those who try to protect property is wrong does that mean I think it is OK for cops to choke to death a man in handcuffs? Not to me, but for too many people that amounts to discrimination and hate speech or a denial of the substance of the protest. Am I deflecting to say what about Officer Dorn? If some view the hundreds of millions of losses in property damage and theft as something more than a footnote on the events of the last week, is that discrimination and racism? In my house, no. I don't know about your house, but I do know that in many, many houses, it is.

Can a person no longer choose whether to agree or disagree with another person's perspective? I know a white person whose parents used to eat mayonnaise sandwiches and beans bought on grocery store credit when the father was in the military and who has lived a life with serious disabilities resulting from his combat service - does that person (and certainly that person's parents) not have the right to disagree with Kapernick's or Rapinoe's choice of tactics without being a bigot? Do Kapernick and Rapinoe get to decide how other people must interpret their tactics? The anthem wasn't the point of the protest. Ok, I accept that. Does that mean one can't disagree with the election to use the anthem as a tactic to draw attention to the point of the protest? Why else was the anthem used in the protest but to offend people and garner attention? Is everyone required to agree with that choice or is that disagreement discrimination and hatred? On the continuum of how Kapernick could have expressed himself relative to the anthem, is anything too far? Would sitting down have been too far? Comments from Nate Boyer suggest that his advice to Kapernick was that sitting or laying down would be too far. Sitting is offensive but kneeling is not? To whom? Isn't that up to the person who is the recipient of the presentation? Kapernick and Rapinoe did what he did intentionally because he knew it would be controversial and it would upset people. It was a tactic intended to do exactly what it did. The USWNT now wants US Soccer to acknowledge that it was wrong to prohibit kneeling by players representing the United States during the anthem of the United States. No room there to disagree without it being discrimination and hatred?

Where is the check against the clear desire of more than a few to punish those who disagree? That mentality is counterproductive, unnecessary and divisive. Why would people expect others to just capitulate on the altar of a privilege that many do not feel or believe they enjoy? Why does everyone who disagrees just need to listen and be educated? No arrogance there? If people decide that the only way they can be satisfied is to crush, dominate and persecute those who disagree with them, then I fear for the future. That approach will someday lead to scaled violence.

Great when people get raked over the coals for bigotry. Even better when bad cops get placed in general population for abusing their authority by murdering black people. Bigots absolutely need to be crushed, dominated, and “persecuted”. The sooner, the better.

“Fearing for the future” of our country becoming a better place where people no longer glorify and support racism and racist movies is nothing more than “bothsides-ism” gibberish.
 
Great when people get raked over the coals for bigotry. Even better when bad cops get placed in general population for abusing their authority by murdering black people. Bigots absolutely need to be crushed, dominated, and “persecuted”. The sooner, the better.

“Fearing for the future” of our country becoming a better place where people no longer glorify and support racism and racist movies is nothing more than “bothsides-ism” gibberish.

LMAO! I find it amusing that black people murder each other 7 times per day, every single day of the year, but the 223 blacks that are killed by cops (of all races) are the BIG problem you have. Less than 1/10th. I don't suppose you think there's anything wrong with resisting arrest. Hell, they have an innate right to be criminals, correct?
 
It is also equally clear to some on the other side that Kap's action was treasonous while Hinkle took a principled stand.

Hinkle's "principled stand" was based on her religious beliefs causing her to worry about who other people have sex with. I personally think sex between consenting adults is nobodies business but their own just like my sex life is nobodies business but mine and my partner's. Kapenick's action was based on a humanitarian belief that the police have a racism problem. If there are veteran's out there that fought to protect the freedom of police to brutalize people of color, I am not worried about offending them.
 
LMAO! I find it amusing that black people murder each other 7 times per day, every single day of the year, but the 223 blacks that are killed by cops (of all races) are the BIG problem you have. Less than 1/10th. I don't suppose you think there's anything wrong with resisting arrest. Hell, they have an innate right to be criminals, correct?

It’s ok for cops to abuse their authority to murder black people because they aren’t the only ones who murder black people? Good luck with that Hannity. Either Chauvin and friends are going to prison for a long time, or much of America is going to justifiably burn to the ground.

Oh, and LMAO that people deflect clearly racist police brutality by pointing out that places like Chicago have a black on black crime problem. All you’re doing is rationalizing murdering black people because you think they’re so big and scary.
 
Yes, it’s fine for people to burn all the hateful and racist books they want. It’s fine to deface all the hateful racist confederate monuments they want. Also fine to fire bigots from their jobs. Also fine to not show a racist movie, or include editorial references so children of racist dumb-asses might have some hope of being shamed into being better people than their parents. So ironic that you are objecting to HBO using its “right of free speech” to explain that a racist movie is, well, racist. The real problem for you is that you oppose HBO’s free speech rights and the fact that HBO won’t let you continue burying your head in the sand about the systemic racism that has permeated our country from its inception and still does. Well, too bad for you that HBO doesn’t care about your ridiculous defense of bigotry. Fighting racism does not lead to state-sponsored “book burning” fascism. But supporting wannabe fascists who support monuments glorifying racists, stifle the media, and systematically deny voting rights to minorities because its the only way they can stay in power, well, that does support fascism.

You are trying way too hard to portray racist and bigoted pieces of s**t as victims. The 1st Amendment allows HBO to say whatever it wants about Gone With the Wind, with the only “repercussion” that its efforts to promote equality will result in adding two customers for every one POS bigot who cancels his subscription in outrage that HBO won’t “bothsides” support for tiki torch wielding dumbs**ts.
You realize your argument grants Chick-Fil-A the right to fire an employee for his speech at Pride, if they decide his speech was an example of “anti-Christian bigotry”?

Or did that possibility not occur to you?
 
It’s ok for cops to abuse their authority to murder black people because they aren’t the only ones who murder black people? Good luck with that Hannity. Either Chauvin and friends are going to prison for a long time, or much of America is going to justifiably burn to the ground.

Oh, and LMAO that people deflect clearly racist police brutality by pointing out that places like Chicago have a black on black crime problem. All you’re doing is rationalizing murdering black people because you think they’re so big and scary.

Who said it was okay? And why did "Hannity" fall out of your ass? Nobody has justified it. My point is that you're a phony like the others. If your concern is saving lives, you're shopping at the wrong store. There isn't some plethora of people being killed by police. And there's nearly ZERO people killed by police for doing nothing wrong. I challenge YOU to give me a list of names... give me some innocent folks "murdered" by police because they were just out living their lives as average citizens. And the fact is, Chicago and the black race DO have a problem murdering each other. Too bad your political agenda doesn't allow you the ability to see the bigger problem. You're another one that only cares if a cop can be blamed.
 
Yes, it’s fine for people to burn all the hateful and racist books they want. It’s fine to deface all the hateful racist confederate monuments they want. Also fine to fire bigots from their jobs. Also fine to not show a racist movie, or include editorial references so children of racist dumb-asses might have some hope of being shamed into being better people than their parents. So ironic that you are objecting to HBO using its “right of free speech” to explain that a racist movie is, well, racist. The real problem for you is that you oppose HBO’s free speech rights and the fact that HBO won’t let you continue burying your head in the sand about the systemic racism that has permeated our country from its inception and still does. Well, too bad for you that HBO doesn’t care about your ridiculous defense of bigotry. Fighting racism does not lead to state-sponsored “book burning” fascism. But supporting wannabe fascists who support monuments glorifying racists, stifle the media, and systematically deny voting rights to minorities because its the only way they can stay in power, well, that does support fascism.

You are trying way too hard to portray racist and bigoted pieces of s**t as victims. The 1st Amendment allows HBO to say whatever it wants about Gone With the Wind, with the only “repercussion” that its efforts to promote equality will result in adding two customers for every one POS bigot who cancels his subscription in outrage that HBO won’t “bothsides” support for tiki torch wielding dumbs**ts.
Calling little girls stupid for asking a few questions to a few men who are Coaches & Director of coaching is ok with you because her dad went for the free hand out because his family went through a very difficult time and the free soccer helped my dd be able to play? How about men who are in charge telling 13-16 year old girls their stupid and dumb for asking questions? I hope you can now see name calling is wrong. You called me dumb all the time. My family went through a lot all because my player was a girl and was treated really bad. This is a wake up call for all of us. Peace sir!!!
 
Calling little girls stupid for asking a few questions to a few men who are Coaches & Director of coaching is ok with you because her dad went for the free hand out because his family went through a very difficult time and the free soccer helped my dd be able to play? How about men who are in charge telling 13-16 year old girls their stupid and dumb for asking questions? I hope you can now see name calling is wrong. You called me dumb all the time. My family went through a lot all because my player was a girl and was treated really bad. This is a wake up call for all of us. Peace sir!!!
We have all heard this story and it does not need to be injected into every single thread. Of course the way your daughter was treated was bad, but this thread isn't about you or your daughter.
 
We have all heard this story and it does not need to be injected into every single thread. Of course the way your daughter was treated was bad, but this thread isn't about you or your daughter.
True dat. i want Equal Rights and Justus for all :) I won;t post anymore about girls being treated bad on this thread. My dd has moved on and will be a force in life.
Hate & Love is at stake. Peace Outside and carry on. It's hard but I see your point and re-read all the post from July. I see who and what people stand for. I always told everyone here that were moving away from a "Either Or" to a "Both And" society in America. No Black or White or Male or Female or right or left. Peter Tosh put this song together in 1977. Enjoy!!!

 
You realize your argument grants Chick-Fil-A the right to fire an employee for his speech at Pride, if they decide his speech was an example of “anti-Christian bigotry”?

Or did that possibility not occur to you?

Wrong. The idea that people must put up with bigotry and hate in exchange for their right to oppose bigotry and hate is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. It is illegal and immoral for an employer to make employment decisions based on bigotry and hate. It is neither illegal nor immoral to for an employer to make employment decisions that are not based on bigotry and hate but, rather, that weed it out of their workplace. If Chick-Fil-A tries to fire an employee for speaking up at a Pride rally, they get the horns. If a white supremacist employee of Top Dog shows his ugly racist face holding a tiki torch in Charlottesville, it’s the employee who gets the horns. That is the law, and that is how it should be.

The idea that it isn’t fair to bigots if we only protect those whom they and their white hood wearing ilk who’ve spent generations hanging from trees and dragging behind pickup trucks is just so stupid it is hard to fathom how anyone believes it. If an employer wants to be a bigot, they need to keep that s**t to themselves. There’s a reason that POS baker in CO still isn’t selling wedding cakes to anyone. There’s a reason Chick-Fil-A must hire gay folk but Target can fire religious freaks who use their religion to rationalize their bigotry in public. It’s very simple.
 
Who said it was okay? And why did "Hannity" fall out of your ass? Nobody has justified it. My point is that you're a phony like the others. If your concern is saving lives, you're shopping at the wrong store. There isn't some plethora of people being killed by police. And there's nearly ZERO people killed by police for doing nothing wrong. I challenge YOU to give me a list of names... give me some innocent folks "murdered" by police because they were just out living their lives as average citizens. And the fact is, Chicago and the black race DO have a problem murdering each other. Too bad your political agenda doesn't allow you the ability to see the bigger problem. You're another one that only cares if a cop can be blamed.

Dude, you rationalized how it was ok for police to murder an innocent black women who was asleep in her own bed because she knew someone who knew someone who’d bought drugs months earlier and was already in custody. There is no reasoning with you. Carry on with your defense of bigotry.
 
Wrong. The idea that people must put up with bigotry and hate in exchange for their right to oppose bigotry and hate is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. It is illegal and immoral for an employer to make employment decisions based on bigotry and hate. It is neither illegal nor immoral to for an employer to make employment decisions that are not based on bigotry and hate but, rather, that weed it out of their workplace. If Chick-Fil-A tries to fire an employee for speaking up at a Pride rally, they get the horns. If a white supremacist employee of Top Dog shows his ugly racist face holding a tiki torch in Charlottesville, it’s the employee who gets the horns. That is the law, and that is how it should be.

The idea that it isn’t fair to bigots if we only protect those whom they and their white hood wearing ilk who’ve spent generations hanging from trees and dragging behind pickup trucks is just so stupid it is hard to fathom how anyone believes it. If an employer wants to be a bigot, they need to keep that s**t to themselves. There’s a reason that POS baker in CO still isn’t selling wedding cakes to anyone. There’s a reason Chick-Fil-A must hire gay folk but Target can fire religious freaks who use their religion to rationalize their bigotry in public. It’s very simple.
Free speech is “one of the dumbest ideas [you] have ever heard.”?

You say that about everything these days. It used to be a badge of honor. Now you say it about so many people that it no longer feels special.

Why worry about some baker in CO? You’re in LA. There are hundreds of bakers who would be happy to make you a cake and ask to meet the lucky guy. Just take your business to someone who deserves it. They’ll do a better job if their heart is in it anyway.
 
Dude, you rationalized how it was ok for police to murder an innocent black women who was asleep in her own bed because she knew someone who knew someone who’d bought drugs months earlier and was already in custody. There is no reasoning with you. Carry on with your defense of bigotry.

She was killed in her bed because her boyfriend was pals with a drug dealer. He shot first. Cops shot back. Wrong place at the wrong time... don't blame cops for her hoodrat boyfriend's bad choices.

That's my point... you can't name any. Her death is directly attributed to her boyfriend. Is it racist to hold black criminals accountable now? By the way, many of the black lives lost to police are to black officers. Those never make the news, though, do they? You're another one that only cares about black lives if you can blame a white cop for taking one. Hypocrite.
 
Free speech is “one of the dumbest ideas [you] have ever heard.”?

You say that about everything these days. It used to be a badge of honor. Now you say it about so many people that it no longer feels special.

Why worry about some baker in CO? You’re in LA. There are hundreds of bakers who would be happy to make you a cake and ask to meet the lucky guy. Just take your business to someone who deserves it. They’ll do a better job if their heart is in it anyway.

Yes, the same people keep saying some of the dumbest things I have ever heard, which should not come as a surprise. People who say dumb things tend to do so a lot.

The 1st Amendment is not dumb. When people try to use it to rationalize ongoing bigotry without having to face consequences for it, well, yes, that is stupid. The 1st Amendment keeps them out of jail for saying bigoty things, but does not protect their jobs.

I’m not worried about a baker in CO because I’m getting what I want, which is that he can’t sell cakes because he is a bigot. Regardless, it isn’t enough to simply use non-bigoty vendors. We have laws that put bigoty employers out of business like they deserve.
 
Wrong. The idea that people must put up with bigotry and hate in exchange for their right to oppose bigotry and hate is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. It is illegal and immoral for an employer to make employment decisions based on bigotry and hate. It is neither illegal nor immoral to for an employer to make employment decisions that are not based on bigotry and hate but, rather, that weed it out of their workplace. If Chick-Fil-A tries to fire an employee for speaking up at a Pride rally, they get the horns. If a white supremacist employee of Top Dog shows his ugly racist face holding a tiki torch in Charlottesville, it’s the employee who gets the horns. That is the law, and that is how it should be.

The idea that it isn’t fair to bigots if we only protect those whom they and their white hood wearing ilk who’ve spent generations hanging from trees and dragging behind pickup trucks is just so stupid it is hard to fathom how anyone believes it. If an employer wants to be a bigot, they need to keep that s**t to themselves. There’s a reason that POS baker in CO still isn’t selling wedding cakes to anyone. There’s a reason Chick-Fil-A must hire gay folk but Target can fire religious freaks who use their religion to rationalize their bigotry in public. It’s very simple.

The baker in CO won. Repeatedly. Because the state acted with such a lack of neutrality that it poisoned the entirety of the issue. Oops. 7-2, so don't tell us now about how that was a biased opinion by Republican appointees to the Court. But I am not shouting at the rain with you because you and your personal attacks just aren't worth the effort. Emma - I am interested in your thoughts if you care to share them.
 
The 1st Amendment is not dumb. When people try to use it to rationalize ongoing bigotry without having to face consequences for it, well, yes, that is stupid. The 1st Amendment keeps them out of jail for saying bigoty things, but does not protect their jobs.

Interesting... you want people fired for openly speaking on your idea of "bigotry" but Kaeperfake should be able to express his beliefs at work.
 
She was killed in her bed because her boyfriend was pals with a drug dealer. He shot first. Cops shot back. Wrong place at the wrong time... don't blame cops for her hoodrat boyfriend's bad choices.

That's my point... you can't name any. Her death is directly attributed to her boyfriend. Is it racist to hold black criminals accountable now? By the way, many of the black lives lost to police are to black officers. Those never make the news, though, do they? You're another one that only cares about black lives if you can blame a white cop for taking one. Hypocrite.

The mere fact you think it’s ok for cops to break into a black woman’s home and murder her while she’s sleeping just because she’s two people removed from someone who bought drugs months earlier and who was already in custody says everything I need to know. The fact that you refer to someone as a “hoodrat” because he knew someone else who bought drugs also says plenty. Your buddy Hannity was two people person removed from one of the worst child molesters in US history, which is far worse than someone who bought some drugs. Maybe the police will “no knock” his place and give him the same treatment? We all know he’s tooled up with no idea how to use it under pressure.

I care about the lives of oppressed minorities even when a dirty racist white cop isn’t murdering them BTW. For example, I’m telling you how you’re a douche, and you aren’t a white cop right? Or maybe you are and that’s why you’re so protective of racist cops who deserve life in prison? The baker in CO isn’t a white cop either as far as I’m aware, nor is Hinkle the homophobe. Nor were most of the Charlottesville white supremacists. Racist cops are just a small subset of bigots whom I’m happy to do my part to ensure get what they deserve. Your “whatabout-ism” deflection that black cops sometimes get killed in the line of duty has nothing to do with pervasive problem of racism and abuse of authority in many police departments, so whatevs.

Ha ha. Chauvin is going away for a long time.
 
The baker in CO won. Repeatedly. Because the state acted with such a lack of neutrality that it poisoned the entirety of the issue. Oops. 7-2, so don't tell us now about how that was a biased opinion by Republican appointees to the Court. But I am not shouting at the rain with you because you and your personal attacks just aren't worth the effort. Emma - I am interested in your thoughts if you care to share them.

Actually the baker in CO did not win. The Supreme Court refused to rule on the substance but instead sent it back on a procedural issue. Even your p**y bigoted Supreme Court justices couldn’t muster the necessary votes to go full Plessy v Ferguson against the gay community. To this day, our bigoty cake maker still isn’t making wedding cakes for anyone because he knows how that is going to go.


Ha ha, bigoty cake makers don’t get to sell wedding cakes. Can’t use religion to rationalize racism, and can’t use it to rationalize homophobia either. It’s hard to be a bigot these days eh?
 
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