Not a minute or penny more!

The Outlaw said:
Fox? Well, that's partially true. Obama told all black people they're victims... even the criminals. CNN refuses to give any attention to black on black murders even though they happen ten times more often than any white on black or cop on black murder. Let's keep stepping over dollars to pick up the dimes, right? Why won't CNN run a story on the black man that murdered the cop keeping looters at bay?
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They did run the Dorn story, and those that killed him are cowards. I love the black on black argument. Let's see if you and all the other dumbfucks can comprehend. Black on Black crime is investigated, Blacks are arrested, and Blacks are prosecuted and go to prison. Cop on Black crime is not investigated (at least with integrity), cops are not prosecuted or disciplined, and cops are not sent to prison. Capish?
 
espola said:
Mark Fuhrman petitioned unsuccessfully to the LAPD for a disability pension because he claimed the job had made him a racist. That later became a significant point of evidence in the OJ trial.
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OJ is innocent. There's a serial killer running around Beverly Hills and apparently he's a golf pro. GTFOH.
 
dad4 said:
How can any protest be more peaceful than taking a knee at a sporting event?

You can disagree with his message, but you have to grant that it was peaceful.
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You're conflating...At sporting events, the point has always been about disrespecting our National Anthem...not peacefulness.

The current protests started out righteously and unifying, but have since devolved into pathetic and cowardly individuals & organizations subjugating on bended knee to BLM, a radical extremest organization whose main charter is to DEFUND THE POLICE!

Who will be putting up and signing their below petition?
https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/
 
Justafan said:
They did run the Dorn story, and those that killed him are cowards. I love the black on black argument. Let's see if you and all the other dumbfucks can comprehend. Black on Black crime is investigated, Blacks are arrested, and Blacks are prosecuted and go to prison. Cop on Black crime is not investigated (at least with integrity), cops are not prosecuted or disciplined, and cops are not sent to prison. Capish?
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Yeah, they ran it for 1 day. Kanye donated money to George Floyd's kid's college. Calvin Munerlyn has 9 kids. Remind me which black celebrity donated money to him. I forget so easily...

And no, they aren't investigated, because black people never see anything. They just bitch a year later when it's still not solved and blame police for late responses to their neighborhoods. Not a big mystery here. And yes, there are many cops in prison right now.
 
The Outlaw said:
OJ is innocent. There's a serial killer running around Beverly Hills and apparently he's a golf pro. GTFOH.
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I never believed OJ was innocent. It was obvious that the prosecution fumbled the case by allowing Furhman to present some of the best evidence they had and then see him caught lying on the stand simply by quoting his own previous sworn statements.
 
Justafan said:
Never my friend. I have integrity. I will call out racism and bigotry whenever and wherever I see it. I called out Oscar De La Hoya when he racistly talked shit about Bob Arum and when Bryant Gumbel said one of the most racist things ever on television. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-mar-29-sp-44353-story.html,
. I can't believe the Gumbel comments did not create a bigger stir. He is a racist and elitist POS. With respect to Oscar, not only was he racist, his comments showed his ignorance and lack of education. And we are from the same hood.

And with respect to police brutality and reform, to me, the Daniel Shaver shooting is worse than Floyd. Yet, it never got coverage nationwide, which is a shame. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...B2F132A365704EFA81F7B2F&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

I'm curious to know what you thing of the Shaver case.
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Never heard of the Shaver case...I'll give it a look later.
 
Justafan said:
...THEY get budget increases. We'll release the jails, we won't respond to your calls - that is how they scare the shit out of the politicians. Plus they always milk the shit out of workers comp and disability for an injury they sustained at an officer's softball game! And don't get me started on the LAPD Drop program... https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-lapd-chief-collected-1-27m-payout-before-being-rehired-report
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First off milking the system seems to happen at all govt positions. Second their worker’s compensation claims aren’t being milked. Their jobs are physically more difficult than my job and every other job at the mfg plant I work at. My wife deals with hundreds of cases a year for the last 25 years. Third, I’d still like to see the Anthem played even if people take a knee, and I have a better understanding of why they are doing it.

Lastly too many people here seem to choose one side or the other. How about we don’t take the extremes on everything. You can support cops, the National Anthem, kneeling and BLM.
 
espola said:
What would happen if the BLM protestors showed up heavily armed and proclaimed that they were not going to be obeying the law and hung the governor in effigy? Would there be trouble?
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Michigan is open carry...what laws were broken?
 
dad4 said:
I admire Kaepernick. But I dont support the wnt on this.

If Rapinoe has a right to kneel, without penalty, then any teammate has a right to ask, without penalty, that her uniform not include a pride flag.

As it happens, there was a penalty for declining the pride flag. It meant losing any chance for call ups.

Free speech should not depend on what you choose to say. The MLS statement got it right.
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Here we go again. Hinkle the homophobe doesn’t play on the national team because she is a fringe player who isn’t good enough. She had her chances, including one call up even after her hateful, bigoty 700 Club stunt, and has proven what everyone already knew. She wasn’t good enough to make 1st or 2nd team All American in college. She hasn’t been good enough to make 1st or 2nd team all-NWSL. She’s the 3rd best defender on her own team, and even that’s being generous. That said, I’d be perfectly fine if US Soccer kicked her homophobic ass to the curb because she’s a POS. Pretty soon we’ll be free of the bigots AND Rapinoe will get to kneel if she wants.
 
EOTL said:
Here we go again. Hinkle the homophobe doesn’t play on the national team because she is a fringe player who isn’t good enough. She had her chances, including one call up even after her hateful, bigoty 700 Club stunt, and has proven what everyone already knew. She wasn’t good enough to make 1st or 2nd team All American in college. She hasn’t been good enough to make 1st or 2nd team all-NWSL. She’s the 3rd best defender on her own team, and even that’s being generous. That said, I’d be perfectly fine if US Soccer kicked her homophobic ass to the curb because she’s a POS. Pretty soon we’ll be free of the bigots AND Rapinoe will get to kneel if she wants.
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If you want to have freedom of speech for those who agree with you, then you have to grant freedom of speech to those who disagree with you.

So Hinkle and her homophobic friends are free to say what they like. You and I are free to disagree with them. That’s America.

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Is there any room left in America for reason? The issue with Kapernick's protest was never about the substance of his protest (I certainly agree that people should be policed based on their conduct and not their skin color - every time regardless of circumstance or environment; that is not too high a standard for agents of government who arrest or kill people in its name). The problem some people had with it was that he elected to do it while co-opting a brand, a venue and a broadcast that did not belong to him. I expect many of the people raising the Kapernick issue about his being denied the ability to express his personal views in the workplace are also the same people who would work to get other people fired from their jobs for expressing their personal views on private social media, in a store, on a sidewalk.... Do people not see the utter hypocrisy in that? When one takes the position that it is OK to express personal views whether at work or on personal time only if that person agrees with the view being expressed, that is totalitarianism. Now the position is not only can one not speak out against an idea or a social position in exercise of the same First Amendment right cheered and demanded by so many protesters of late, but that even silence on the point is evidence of evil or complicity. "Speak out in support of what I think or you are racist, *phobic, evil, unworthy of life...." Do people not see that that only works when the wind is blowing your way? In a manner of speaking, didn't the NFL "cancel" Kapernick? Much like pretty much any company is doing today to anyone who might disagree with prevailing sentiment on the issues of the day? Not OK for the NFL in 2016 but fine for all these other companies on the other side of an issue? Do people really want to live in that America? I don't.
 
espola said:
You didn't answer the question.
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"Whataboutism" questions are weak to use and not really worth answering. But, because in this case, both protest examples you attempt to play actually occurred and played out, thus they answered themselves to anyone intellectually honest enough to acknowledge it.
 
Dof3 said:
Is there any room left in America for reason? The issue with Kapernick's protest was never about the substance of his protest (I certainly agree that people should be policed based on their conduct and not their skin color - every time regardless of circumstance or environment; that is not too high a standard for agents of government who arrest or kill people in its name). The problem some people had with it was that he elected to do it while co-opting a brand, a venue and a broadcast that did not belong to him. I expect many of the people raising the Kapernick issue about his being denied the ability to express his personal views in the workplace are also the same people who would work to get other people fired from their jobs for expressing their personal views on private social media, in a store, on a sidewalk.... Do people not see the utter hypocrisy in that? When one takes the position that it is OK to express personal views whether at work or on personal time only if that person agrees with the view being expressed, that is totalitarianism. Now the position is not only can one not speak out against an idea or a social position in exercise of the same First Amendment right cheered and demanded by so many protesters of late, but that even silence on the point is evidence of evil or complicity. "Speak out in support of what I think or you are racist, *phobic, evil, unworthy of life...." Do people not see that that only works when the wind is blowing your way? In a manner of speaking, didn't the NFL "cancel" Kapernick? Much like pretty much any company is doing today to anyone who might disagree with prevailing sentiment on the issues of the day? Not OK for the NFL in 2016 but fine for all these other companies on the other side of an issue? Do people really want to live in that America? I don't.
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Bravo, well done...you perfectly nailed the original post.

Be well all...Good night.
 
MicPaPa said:
"Whataboutism" questions are weak to use and not really worth answering. But, because in this case, both protest examples you attempt to play actually occurred and played out, thus they answered themselves to anyone intellectually honest enough to acknowledge it.
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So you think a mob of black people showing up at state government buildings heavily armed would not have any problems?
 
The Outlaw said:
Fox? Well, that's partially true. Obama told all black people they're victims... even the criminals. CNN refuses to give any attention to black on black murders even though they happen ten times more often than any white on black or cop on black murder. Let's keep stepping over dollars to pick up the dimes, right? Why won't CNN run a story on the black man that murdered the cop keeping looters at bay?
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You seem like a genuine guy. But be careful not to get manipulated by all the stuff you hear. Don't drink the Koolaid. Be nice to all God's children. White, Black, brown, Orange, etc...
Don't get too excited about man made stuff like the constitution.
This is the same constitution that said women can't vote ! How can some parts of it be so wrong and the rest of it be so sacred like a bible. Don't get played with all the propaganda you hear. Just live your life buddy and stay cool !
 
Dof3 said:
Is there any room left in America for reason? The issue with Kapernick's protest was never about the substance of his protest (I certainly agree that people should be policed based on their conduct and not their skin color - every time regardless of circumstance or environment; that is not too high a standard for agents of government who arrest or kill people in its name). The problem some people had with it was that he elected to do it while co-opting a brand, a venue and a broadcast that did not belong to him. I expect many of the people raising the Kapernick issue about his being denied the ability to express his personal views in the workplace are also the same people who would work to get other people fired from their jobs for expressing their personal views on private social media, in a store, on a sidewalk.... Do people not see the utter hypocrisy in that? When one takes the position that it is OK to express personal views whether at work or on personal time only if that person agrees with the view being expressed, that is totalitarianism. Now the position is not only can one not speak out against an idea or a social position in exercise of the same First Amendment right cheered and demanded by so many protesters of late, but that even silence on the point is evidence of evil or complicity. "Speak out in support of what I think or you are racist, *phobic, evil, unworthy of life...." Do people not see that that only works when the wind is blowing your way? In a manner of speaking, didn't the NFL "cancel" Kapernick? Much like pretty much any company is doing today to anyone who might disagree with prevailing sentiment on the issues of the day? Not OK for the NFL in 2016 but fine for all these other companies on the other side of an issue? Do people really want to live in that America? I don't.
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I used to think like you but the more I've thought about it lately, the more I realize I am wrong.

The same people who are were in agreement with cancelling Kap is now upset about cancelling people who are coming out as racist or in support of police brutality.

There is a difference in cancelling people that represent discrimination, hatred and anger versus cancelling people because they have a different point of view.

Kneeling before the flag to beg the flag and all who the flag represents to fix the problems of police brutality is promoting kindness and equality for all. Not willing to wear a jersey because it is accepting of people who are of different orientation is promoting hate and discrimination.

In the work place, we don't tolerate all personal opinions or political views. We don't tolerate personal views if it's for hatred and discrimination. We do tolerate any other personal viewpoints or personal opinions though - just not if it's hatred and discrimination.

In my house, we tolerate your opinion as long it's not about hatred and discrimination.

In society, we should be tolerant of all opinions as long as it's not hatred and discrimination. You have the freedom to speak what you want because it's a constitutional right, but it doesn't mean you'll have any friends or business associates until you realize that your hatred and discrimination is harmful to society and society will not accept it.

Throughout history, the only times we have tolerated and accepted opinions that are based on hatred and discrimination, have led to mass killings and wars. Look at the societies in the world today that currently are accepting of hatred and discrimination and think whether you want to live under that type of government and society.

We need to all stand up for justice and equality. Everyone of us is responsible for it and we can't be accepting of it or comfortable with it.

We need to let the police units know that they need to hold bad apples accountable and we in society need to let racists know that we hold them accountable too. We need to hold each other accountable and not act like it's someone else's responsibility.

Just one officer could have pushed Chauvin off and prevented a murder, but no one did. It would have taken one push. Instead, those officers chose to watch a man get murdered right before their eyes and assist with it: one prevented the crowd from coming in, one was on his back, and one was holding his legs.

What type of society have we become that we are not personally accountable for doing the right thing as an individual? When did we think it's ok to be part of a murder because the senior officer said so - sounds like Nazi Germany to you?

So I ask you to hold yourself accountable to prevent hatred and discrimination and I ask you to hold all those around you accountable for it too.

For one day, you and your family might be the one discriminated against and hated.
 
Emma said:
I used to think like you but the more I've thought about it lately, the more I realize I am wrong.

The same people who are were in agreement with cancelling Kap is now upset about cancelling people who are coming out as racist or in support of police brutality.

There is a difference in cancelling people that represent discrimination, hatred and anger versus cancelling people because they have a different point of view.

Kneeling before the flag to beg the flag and all who the flag represents to fix the problems of police brutality is promoting kindness and equality for all. Not willing to wear a jersey because it is accepting of people who are of different orientation is promoting hate and discrimination.

In the work place, we don't tolerate all personal opinions or political views. We don't tolerate personal views if it's for hatred and discrimination. We do tolerate any other personal viewpoints or personal opinions though - just not if it's hatred and discrimination.

In my house, we tolerate your opinion as long it's not about hatred and discrimination.

In society, we should be tolerant of all opinions as long as it's not hatred and discrimination. You have the freedom to speak what you want because it's a constitutional right, but it doesn't mean you'll have any friends or business associates until you realize that your hatred and discrimination is harmful to society and society will not accept it.

Throughout history, the only times we have tolerated and accepted opinions that are based on hatred and discrimination, have led to mass killings and wars. Look at the societies in the world today that currently are accepting of hatred and discrimination and think whether you want to live under that type of government and society.

We need to all stand up for justice and equality. Everyone of us is responsible for it and we can't be accepting of it or comfortable with it.

We need to let the police units know that they need to hold bad apples accountable and we in society need to let racists know that we hold them accountable too. We need to hold each other accountable and not act like it's someone else's responsibility.

Just one officer could have pushed Chauvin off and prevented a murder, but no one did. It would have taken one push. Instead, those officers chose to watch a man get murdered right before their eyes and assist with it: one prevented the crowd from coming in, one was on his back, and one was holding his legs.

What type of society have we become that we are not personally accountable for doing the right thing as an individual? When did we think it's ok to be part of a murder because the senior officer said so - sounds like Nazi Germany to you?

So I ask you to hold yourself accountable to prevent hatred and discrimination and I ask you to hold all those around you accountable for it too.

For one day, you and your family might be the one discriminated against and hated.
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I know it is clear to you that Hinkles opinions are hateful and Kap took a principled stand.

It is also equally clear to some on the other side that Kap's action was treasonous while Hinkle took a principled stand.

If we claim the right to silence Hinkle, then we grant others the right to silence Kap. I'm not ok with that.
 
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