No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

Grace T. said:
Newsom's announcement is apparently coming tomorrow. There's wide speculation (but only speculation, or perhaps resignation) that he'll keep all schools (public, charter, private) closed this fall. Also that he'll launch a crackdown on plans by some parents to have homeschool cooperatives since those violate the stay at home orders.
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We must know the same folks :)
 
dad4 said:
It’s tougher when your special needs kid is also bright. My oldest is a smart kid who needed speech therapy. Public schools weren’t going to offer the classes she needed. Private and charter schools didn’t have speech therapists. So you’re kind of stuck paying to supplement one or the other.
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Amen to this. DYS is gifted but ADHD. We looked at public school for him but couldn't make it work. He wasn't severe enough to qualify for an IEP (since his grades were high). Without the IEP he wouldn't be extended accommodations....but the accommodations being extended to other kids would actually be detrimental to DYS' ability to focus-- translators in the classroom, inclusiveness of special needs kids (in one classroom we visited there's was this severely disabled kid who just sat in the corner making noises), disruptive kids that couldn't be removed from the classroom. For a kid that needed support and needed things to be really calm to get his best performance, it wasn't a good fit.
 
EOTL said:
Read what I have already said dumbs**t. I’ve made it very clear that there are many good charter schools. The irony that someone who refuses to acknowledge the legitimate arguments in article I posted - claiming that I’m the one who refuses to look at “both sides” - is not lost on me. You’re the only one doing that.

There are many that do very good things. But there are many that don’t. And there are also many that are great for the students they have but still terrible for the community. Very, very often the “school choice” mantra upon which people claim provides minorities greater opportunity is a sham. Although charter schools must generally take anyone without regard to location, there are two huge problems that work against disadvantaged minorities. The first, of course, is that it often is not feasible for someone who lacks resources to send their kid to the great charter school 15-20 miles away. They can’t control their work hours and often their transportation in a way that allows them to get their kid to and from school every single day. Disadvantaged kids are also often in single parent families that often makes it impractical to consistently get a kid thay far away day in and day out. Rich (mostly white) people know that.

More importantly, charter schools can prefer local kids when they hit the enrollment caps that they set. Put your charter school in the affluent area from which you want to pull kids, set the enrollment cap at the number of the “right kind” of kids in the area that you think will attend and, presto, no undesirables. Then turn around and claim everything is “equal” because the underprivileged kids can go to a charter school created on their own region which will be great for them based on how well yours is doing with all the kids who were already diligent students. And make sure to sprinkle in some of the highest performing minorities - most of whom are far less disadvantaged than most -!to provide cover for allegations of discrimination. It is very easy for “good” charter schools to exclude the disadvantaged, and most of them do even when it is not their intent. Overall, charter schools perpetuate segregation.
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You got to name calling in your first sentence, well done. Thank you for your two paragraphs of conjecture without evidence. If you provide some evidence of these so-called caps that are used to seek out the "right kind" I'm all ears. Yes, many charters have enrollment rules that can favor the local community, but that's because they want to serve the local community, not because they're sorting through the "right kids", whoever they may be. The charter schools in our area were formally public schools that converted. So they used to be only able to take kids in the community and now they're available to a wide variety of socioeconomic and ethnic families that may be stuck in a very poor neighborhood school. What evidence do you have that the random public drawings of students for enrollment (as required by State law) is fixed?

I agree, not all charter schools are created equal, but that doesn't mean we should shut them all down or prevent new ones. Charter schools should also be subject to accountability, which in reality they're held to higher standards than public schools. Charter schools can and do get shut down for not meeting performance standards...public schools virtually never.
 
Grace T. said:
Newsom's announcement is apparently coming tomorrow. There's wide speculation (but only speculation, or perhaps resignation) that he'll keep all schools (public, charter, private) closed this fall. Also that he'll launch a crackdown on plans by some parents to have homeschool cooperatives since those violate the stay at home orders.
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I so hope your wrong GraceT. I'm not the protesting type, but this might get my butt on a flight to Sacto. I'm contacting my state representatives now.
 
espola said:
I thought you might take the opportunity to clarify your meaning. Silly me.

I still have no idea what you mean.
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Not that it'll matter but sure, here you go: Your shtick = whine to one group about non-soccer posters, lurk non-soccer posters, swoop in with something like "link" or "what do you mean"... it's a stupid little game of never answering questions...just responding to questions with questions...then wash, rinse and repeat. Basically, an attention whore.

But, let me guess what's coming..."what do you mean? link?"
 
watfly said:
I so hope your wrong GraceT. I'm not the protesting type, but this might get my butt on a flight to Sacto. I'm contacting my state representatives now.
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Did you think all this would come down to no school and no soccer? Only online school and no other options for you. Plus, you lost your business ((many have)) got laid off or have a job barely and no help with the kids. Here's my offer. Every single human that is working right now in essential businesses like police and fire, nurses, Dr, AC Tech, plumber and grocery clerk needs school open now. Everyone else can do online. What % is that? The healthy teachers need to help out. This is more than selfishness.
 
MicPaPa said:
Not that it'll matter but sure, here you go: Your shtick = whine to one group about non-soccer posters, lurk non-soccer posters, swoop in with something like "link" or "what do you mean"... it's a stupid little game of never answering questions...just responding to questions with questions...then wash, rinse and repeat. Basically, an attention whore.

But, let me guess what's coming..."what do you mean? link?"
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Well of course I am going to ask for a link, since that might help me understand what you mean.

So what is the link to the post that brought on your latest rant?
 
Ellejustus said:
Did you think all this would come down to no school and no soccer? Only online school and no other options for you. Plus, you lost your business ((many have)) got laid off or have a job barely and no help with the kids. Here's my offer. Every single human that is working right now in essential businesses like police and fire, nurses, Dr, AC Tech, plumber and grocery clerk needs school open now. Everyone else can do online. What % is that? The healthy teachers need to help out. This is more than selfishness.
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Well, the one thing we can say is at least we aren't New York. De Blasio just announced that since all schools will be closed, he's going to open day care for at least 100K students (maybe more) for essential workers. So, essentially schools without the learning, and you still get the risk of kids transmitting it. Brilliant!

Yeah, contact your reps today if you care as well as write the governor. Newsom is not known as a man who backs down once a final decision is taken.
 
EOTL said:
Read what I have already said dumbs**t. I’ve made it very clear that there are many good charter schools. The irony that someone who refuses to acknowledge the legitimate arguments in article I posted - claiming that I’m the one who refuses to look at “both sides” - is not lost on me. You’re the only one doing that.

There are many that do very good things. But there are many that don’t. And there are also many that are great for the students they have but still terrible for the community. Very, very often the “school choice” mantra upon which people claim provides minorities greater opportunity is a sham. Although charter schools must generally take anyone without regard to location, there are two huge problems that work against disadvantaged minorities. The first, of course, is that it often is not feasible for someone who lacks resources to send their kid to the great charter school 15-20 miles away. They can’t control their work hours and often their transportation in a way that allows them to get their kid to and from school every single day. Disadvantaged kids are also often in single parent families that often makes it impractical to consistently get a kid thay far away day in and day out. Rich (mostly white) people know that.

More importantly, charter schools can prefer local kids when they hit the enrollment caps that they set. Put your charter school in the affluent area from which you want to pull kids, set the enrollment cap at the number of the “right kind” of kids in the area that you think will attend and, presto, no undesirables. Then turn around and claim everything is “equal” because the underprivileged kids can go to a charter school created on their own region which will be great for them based on how well yours is doing with all the kids who were already diligent students. And make sure to sprinkle in some of the highest performing minorities - most of whom are far less disadvantaged than most -!to provide cover for allegations of discrimination. It is very easy for “good” charter schools to exclude the disadvantaged, and most of them do even when it is not their intent. Overall, charter schools perpetuate segregation.
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Maybe parents of studious kids don’t want their kid in a class with some slacker who won’t do the work?

It isn’t segregation by color. It‘s segregation by ability and effort.
 
Grace T. said:
Amen to this. DYS is gifted but ADHD. We looked at public school for him but couldn't make it work. He wasn't severe enough to qualify for an IEP (since his grades were high). Without the IEP he wouldn't be extended accommodations....but the accommodations being extended to other kids would actually be detrimental to DYS' ability to focus-- translators in the classroom, inclusiveness of special needs kids (in one classroom we visited there's was this severely disabled kid who just sat in the corner making noises), disruptive kids that couldn't be removed from the classroom. For a kid that needed support and needed things to be really calm to get his best performance, it wasn't a good fit.
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What grade is your child in? I ask because of the type classrooms you visited. Did the school offer you a 504 plan? These plans offer accommodations that can be identical to the ones on an IEP.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
What grade is your child in? I ask because of the type classrooms you visited. Did the school offer you a 504 plan? These plans offer accommodations that can be identical to the ones on an IEP.
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At the time he was in 4th. Yes, they held out a 504 plan but also made it clear because of his GPA it would still be difficult to secure, would require a lot of testing to justify, and there were certain accommodations they just didn't offer (e.g. a class without an ESL translator or a special needs inclusive kid). It was a question of his needs bumping up against others. At his private school, he operated in 4th with only an extended time requirement and one of the reasons for his winning the math medal was by the time he graduated 5th he was off all accommodations.

The ironic thing is in middle school he's now going to need an accommodation for math again (assuming the school gets open with a mask requirement) because of the masks for exams.
 
Grace T. said:
At the time he was in 4th. Yes, they held out a 504 plan but also made it clear because of his GPA it would still be difficult to secure, would require a lot of testing to justify, and there were certain accommodations they just didn't offer (e.g. a class without an ESL translator or a special needs inclusive kid). It was a question of his needs bumping up against others. At his private school, he operated in 4th with only an extended time requirement and one of the reasons for his winning the math medal was by the time he graduated 5th he was off all accommodations.

The ironic thing is in middle school he's now going to need an accommodation for math again (assuming the school gets open with a mask requirement) because of the masks for exams.
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Yes, academic success is one inhibitor for qualifying for an IEP. In his case all he needed was a diagnosis for his ADHD to get a 504. Your examples are not accommodations. Those appear to be services for other students in the GE classroom.
 
espola said:
I believe you truly believe this, but your past posts on their forum lead me to not believe it for myself.
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like i said, dont take my word for it. take the time to talk to some parents and students in charter schools before we take away the only option parents have at giving their kid a better education then the school district they are stuck in.
 
MSK357 said:
like i said, dont take my word for it. take the time to talk to some parents and students in charter schools before we take away the only option parents have at giving their kid a better education then the school district they are stuck in.
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My kids all attended Poway public schools, academically and socially excellent in spite of the fact that the district has suffered from a series of disgraceful acts by its superintendents.
 
EOTL said:
Read what I have already said dumbs**t. I’ve made it very clear that there are many good charter schools. The irony that someone who refuses to acknowledge the legitimate arguments in article I posted - claiming that I’m the one who refuses to look at “both sides” - is not lost on me. You’re the only one doing that.

There are many that do very good things. But there are many that don’t. And there are also many that are great for the students they have but still terrible for the community. Very, very often the “school choice” mantra upon which people claim provides minorities greater opportunity is a sham. Although charter schools must generally take anyone without regard to location, there are two huge problems that work against disadvantaged minorities. The first, of course, is that it often is not feasible for someone who lacks resources to send their kid to the great charter school 15-20 miles away. They can’t control their work hours and often their transportation in a way that allows them to get their kid to and from school every single day. Disadvantaged kids are also often in single parent families that often makes it impractical to consistently get a kid thay far away day in and day out. Rich (mostly white) people know that.

More importantly, charter schools can prefer local kids when they hit the enrollment caps that they set. Put your charter school in the affluent area from which you want to pull kids, set the enrollment cap at the number of the “right kind” of kids in the area that you think will attend and, presto, no undesirables. Then turn around and claim everything is “equal” because the underprivileged kids can go to a charter school created on their own region which will be great for them based on how well yours is doing with all the kids who were already diligent students. And make sure to sprinkle in some of the highest performing minorities - most of whom are far less disadvantaged than most -!to provide cover for allegations of discrimination. It is very easy for “good” charter schools to exclude the disadvantaged, and most of them do even when it is not their intent. Overall, charter schools perpetuate segregation.
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The good thing with charter schools is that if they are shady and fraudulent you can shut them down. They have no protection like the public schools do with unions. As far as the demographics, you might want to look at the demographic of charter schools in inner cities, especially the ones where articles posted in this thread have shown to out perform their public schools peers.
 
EOTL said:
I love how gringos claim that black people are doing great at their black people schools. Especially when it’s based on watching a sporting event. Same argument that the Board of Education in Topeka made in the Brown case BTW. The only “difference” is that you think you’ve given the disadvantaged a little “somethin somethin” because they could go to the rich kid charter school if only there was space and they lived in the area, plus the “opportunity” to have their own charter school with their kind closer to home because your is full. Pretty clever now that you’ve gotten around free busing to get disadvantaged kids to your rich kid schools.
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Remember, it was Joe Biden that stopped busing people of color to rich white schools. remember that when you vote in November.
 
Grace T. said:
Newsom's announcement is apparently coming tomorrow. There's wide speculation (but only speculation, or perhaps resignation) that he'll keep all schools (public, charter, private) closed this fall. Also that he'll launch a crackdown on plans by some parents to have homeschool cooperatives since those violate the stay at home orders.
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Evil.
 
MacDre said:
I think this applies to all exceptionally bright kids with or without speech impediments. I think it’s a travesty that all “gifted” students don’t get an IEP.
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Im expecting gifted programs to be cut following this crazy year.
 
espola said:
My kids all attended Poway public schools, academically and socially excellent in spite of the fact that the district has suffered from a series of disgraceful acts by its superintendents.
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The Poway, RB, Del Sur schools are excellent for the most part. People move to the area just for the public schools. An important part of a successful school is community support and parent involvement. We can point fingers at others, but sometimes we need to get involved. The unfortunate part is that unions have become so powerful it can be difficult to effect change...but don't stop trying.
 
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