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The Outlaw said:
Where do you think the oppressive system failed them? White karate teacher didn't do his job?
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Hard to say. Ask me that after about 20 years of equality and I’ll answer your question. If I were to answer now, my answer would be pure speculation and conjecture and that ain’t helpful.
 
MacDre said:
Hard to say. Ask me that after about 20 years of equality and I’ll answer your question. If I were to answer now, my answer would be pure speculation and conjecture and that ain’t helpful.
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Being equal and having the opportunity to be equal are different things. If we're going by "content of their character"... seems that's regressing.
 
Ellejustus said:
Bruno's parents came with education and $500. That was late 60s and $500 is more than zero. Dad of 4, how much is $500 in todays times? I will say some people came here without their willingness to come. That sucks and need's to be in the discussion.
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About $4000.

Enough for a weeks groceries, a cheap used car and the deposit on a cheap apartment. That's about it.
 
MSK357 said:
What about the early irish immigrants? They came over here as indentured servants didnt they?
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Yeah, his point is a bit BS or just blatant broad brush. The Irish, esp. the Catholics, that came over as indentured servants were uneducated and piss poor. The very large numbers, again mostly Catholic, who came over from the late 1840s fleeing the famine in Ireland and through the next few decades were also pretty uneducated and piss poor. The Irish did clearly encounter prejudice and discrimination with the infamous, "No Irish Need Apply", tag line in documented records from the 1840s through to the last known in 1909.

The Protestant Irish tended to be better educated and had some means. The only "advantage" the Irish had was in being white, which allowed them to assimilate quicker. It still took a couple of generations.
 
Desert Hound said:
Actually it is good for a history teacher or someone else to point out which countries are crap holes. You can use that to compare and contrast why certain cultures do much better than others. The rule of law comes to mind. Why certain types of political systems lead to terrible corruption, etc.

Much better than looking at some crappy countries and then listen to the teacher tell my kids all cultures are equal or just as good as each other, when we know that is not the case. There is a reason 3rd world countries are 3rd world. And there is a reason why countries move into 1st world status. Pretending it is different does nobody any good.
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Desert Hound! Please read your post out loud and just listen to what your saying!!
 
Desert Hound said:
Actually it is good for a history teacher or someone else to point out which countries are crap holes. You can use that to compare and contrast why certain cultures do much better than others. The rule of law comes to mind. Why certain types of political systems lead to terrible corruption, etc.

Much better than looking at some crappy countries and then listen to the teacher tell my kids all cultures are equal or just as good as each other, when we know that is not the case. There is a reason 3rd world countries are 3rd world. And there is a reason why countries move into 1st world status. Pretending it is different does nobody any good.
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I once had a crim professor tell me the death penalty didn't serve as a good deterrent for committing murders. I raised my hand and told him I could think of at least ONE person that would be deterred. He made me leave for the day. Fucking libtard.
 
gotothebushes said:
Desert Hound! Please read your post out loud and just listen to what your saying!!
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I did. Sounded as honest as the first time through.

You don't think 3rd world countries are in that state due to culture, political systems, etc?

Or you like to pretend differently?

Start with Somalia for instance. Contrast and compare with the US. If that is too close to home, compare and contrast with lets say Italy.

Start with how they treat women, gays, religious minorities. You go first.
 
MacDre said:
Very true and very different analysis. It tripped me out, when I looked on the slave roles and saw Irish indentured servants.
I have even been uncomfortable with how I have seen Irish and Polish folk treated relatively recently in the UK.
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Here's some more tripping for you, from 1976, The Black Irish of Monserrat.

Or how it began in the late 1600s, To Hell or Barbados
 
The Outlaw said:
Still waiting for a comment on this, Dre. You think this is a system problem? Their great, great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

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Dumb ass bitch had it coming. Why is she hanging out in the hood with known hoodrats? She should know only bad things happen in the hood. Does she not watch the news. She put herself in that position. Plus she was moving when they were shouting at her "stop resisting," "stop resisting." As for the kid, why is the kid "obstructing" a beat down. Kid deserved a beat down for "obstruction of hood justice."
 
Justafan said:
Dumb ass bitch had it coming. Why is she hanging out in the hood with known hoodrats? She should know only bad things happen in the hood. Does she not watch the news. She put herself in that position. Plus she was moving when they were shouting at her "stop resisting," "stop resisting." As for the kid, why is the kid "obstructing" a beat down. Kid deserved a beat down for "obstruction of hood justice."
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Now you're speaking my language. Probably a mudshark and the baby daddy is black.
 
Desert Hound said:
Actually it is good for a history teacher or someone else to point out which countries are crap holes. You can use that to compare and contrast why certain cultures do much better than others. The rule of law comes to mind. Why certain types of political systems lead to terrible corruption, etc.

Much better than looking at some crappy countries and then listen to the teacher tell my kids all cultures are equal or just as good as each other, when we know that is not the case. There is a reason 3rd world countries are 3rd world. And there is a reason why countries move into 1st world status. Pretending it is different does nobody any good.
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I won't argue with presenting facts, comparing, contrasting, etc. However, I just don't see any value in the derogatory name calling. The same things can be taught with civility.
 
Desert Hound said:
I did. Sounded as honest as the first time through.

You don't think 3rd world countries are in that state due to culture, political systems, etc?

Or you like to pretend differently?

Start with Somalia for instance. Contrast and compare with the US. If that is too close to home, compare and contrast with lets say Italy.

Start with how they treat women, gays, religious minorities. You go first.
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Actually my apologies misspoke! I see your point!
 
whatithink said:
Yeah, his point is a bit BS or just blatant broad brush. The Irish, esp. the Catholics, that came over as indentured servants were uneducated and piss poor. The very large numbers, again mostly Catholic, who came over from the late 1840s fleeing the famine in Ireland and through the next few decades were also pretty uneducated and piss poor. The Irish did clearly encounter prejudice and discrimination with the infamous, "No Irish Need Apply", tag line in documented records from the 1840s through to the last known in 1909.

The Protestant Irish tended to be better educated and had some means. The only "advantage" the Irish had was in being white, which allowed them to assimilate quicker. It still took a couple of generations.
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Many of my relatives in England live in Brixton. Relatives tell me that when they arrived from the West Indies there were signs that said No Pets, Irish, and blacks posted .
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1981 Brixton riot - Wikipedia

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MARsSPEED said:
Agree. The first part of fixing a problem is admitting there is a problem rather than blame the past.

I just don’t know if anyone will actually admit to the problem(s). It’s just much easier to make excuses and point the finger at someone else.
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Exactly, Mars, you Chiefs and Outlaw have just been describing Trump's base to a "T." Bunch of f'n low life deplorable losers who couldn't hack it in America's free market. They lost and now they have the balls to blame illegals, libs, and dems for all their problems. And since they're White, they also have the balls to DEMAND handouts. Bring back coal, force companies to lose money and bring back manufacturing to my home town so I can have a job. I'm glad you guys have been able to identify these losers.

Yes, outlaw, they should ALL look in the mirror before they blame anybody else for their problems. I agree.
 
MacDre said:
Many of my relatives in England live in Brixton. Relatives tell me that when they arrived from the West Indies there were signs that said No Pets, Irish, and blacks posted .
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1981 Brixton riot - Wikipedia

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Yes, the Irish had the same thing there, but for longer. Google the "punch cartoon irish" and images and you'll see how the Irish were portrayed in the British media and/or to the British people - nothing subtle.
 
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