No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

MacDre said:
WTF. They can’t vote! What are you talking about?
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Still waiting for a comment on this, Dre. You think this is a system problem? Their great, great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

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Grace T. said:
The outrage is we are asking kids to sacrifice for the sake of older Americans, when it's usually been the other way around and we bear sacrifices for our kids. Yet, the government said boo about the protests (and some even encouraged), the marijuana shops/liquor stores/home depots are open. You can't play soccer but an outdoor dance class is o.k. They lie to us about the masks, the length of lockdowns, and what the lockdowns were about and we say "o.k. can we have some more". If you think this is just short term you are kidding yourself....most public school districts cannot flip the switch on and off like that. And yes, it sucks I'm having to pay heavy duty fees for above par online learning at my kids private school....but at least he gets to do it from the comfort of our Utah condo and gets to wander out into the woods every day and have a swim in the afternoon. I worry most about the kids that will be a year behind in learning and the inequity that will result to the most vulnerable and poor among our children.
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I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but I would just ask yourself how's that outrage working for you? I think our culture could use a little stoicism. If you are mostly worried about the most vulnerable and poor, what can you do that's within your means to help them/one student/one family?

As for length of time, I'm guessing we'll be remote learning for at least the fall semester, maybe longer. But that's still temporary. It won't last forever. Life will go on. Being outraged just makes you feel stressed and grumpy and your immune system less effective and definitely doesn't solve any problems.
 
The Outlaw said:
Let's be honest... you only care about black kids. What we're saying is black children, depending on who you listen to, are being born into single parent households more than 90% of the time. THAT is the problem, not the system. If black men can't stick around to be fathers, maybe they could spring $ .50 for a condom now and then? And now the morons at BLM want to push back on traditional family households despite every statistic showing that produces more crime and more deaths.

If you support black kids, you'll support cops, two parent households and accountability.
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...and school choice, but he won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
 
Grace T. said:
The outrage is we are asking kids to sacrifice for the sake of older Americans, when it's usually been the other way around and we bear sacrifices for our kids. Yet, the government said boo about the protests (and some even encouraged), the marijuana shops/liquor stores/home depots are open. You can't play soccer but an outdoor dance class is o.k. They lie to us about the masks, the length of lockdowns, and what the lockdowns were about and we say "o.k. can we have some more". If you think this is just short term you are kidding yourself....most public school districts cannot flip the switch on and off like that. And yes, it sucks I'm having to pay heavy duty fees for above par online learning at my kids private school....but at least he gets to do it from the comfort of our Utah condo and gets to wander out into the woods every day and have a swim in the afternoon. I worry most about the kids that will be a year behind in learning and the inequity that will result to the most vulnerable and poor among our children.
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Messy or EOTL, pick your nightmare spanker!!!

 
BIGD said:
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but I would just ask yourself how's that outrage working for you? I think our culture could use a little stoicism. If you are mostly worried about the most vulnerable and poor, what can you do that's within your means to help them/one student/one family?

As for length of time, I'm guessing we'll be remote learning for at least the fall semester, maybe longer. But that's still temporary. It won't last forever. Life will go on. Being outraged just makes you feel stressed and grumpy and your immune system less effective and definitely doesn't solve any problems.
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I dunno how it will work....I don't know if we'll really even like living in Utah. But something's got to change. Can't continue this way without breaking the kids. And at least for my little one, at least 1/12 of his life will have been spent under these conditions...that's gotta do something for a person. But hey, maybe in the film there was someone that woke up after taking the red pill, saw the new reality around them, heard the history and thought "whoa...that's bogus, but Zion's kinda sweet". But so long as you felt the same way about the Floyd outrage, that's fair.
 
chiefs said:
PEOPLE STOP TESTING! other facts people forget is that the death rate in italy and spain (at a minimum) is much worse than the US.
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People shouldn't test "just because", that's just stupid. If you have symptoms or have been in close contact with someone who tested positive, then having a test is probably prudent, esp. the former.
 
chiefs said:
He had no money, became a brick layer, no support from anyone....sorry it doesn't fit your narrative but he did come over in a boat with nothing.
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If you say so. I guess my daughters grandkids will tell the story about how she grew up in poverty in Tijuana during the war on drugs. Can you imagine how scary it is for a child to grow up in a city with 2500 murders. Then one day she set sail from puerto nuevo and eventually landed in san diego.
GTFOH!
 
carla hinkle said:
The United States is blowing the world away for new COVID cases.
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Cases yes. Notice deaths are not following along with that. That is why the press now talks cases and not deaths.
carla hinkle said:
Plus Italy (along with Spain) has something like 80% of people wearing masks now
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Spain is now starting to shut down Barcelona and the surrounding areas again as of yesterday or today.
carla hinkle said:
Have you seen pictures of Italy now? They have absolutely very close to normal life and almost no COVID.
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So does Sweden
carla hinkle said:
The US didn't lock down hard enough or long enough (except maybe NY/NJ/CT).
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Except NY/NJ/CT? You mean the states where about 40% off all deaths were? So if your argument is they locked down hard enough and the rest of the US didn't, why did they experience so many deaths? And the rest of the US really hasn't experienced that?
carla hinkle said:
They have absolutely very close to normal life and almost no COVID.
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By the way they are not back to a normal life yet. They rely heavily on tourism. Much of their tourism infrastructure is not fully open. They are attempting to phase stuff back in over the month of August. Yes they have started to let people in the Schengen zone in. But they are not for much of the rest of the world. And they are staggering tourism openings. They have a long way to go.

And they will see covid cases rise again. As they move around more, more cases will rise again. As travelers start coming in, cases will rise again.

Back to Spain who you seem happy about. Barcelona just recorded over 1k cases again yesterday.

What is interesting about what is happening now is despite the rather large rise is positives in the West and South of the US, we are not seeing anything like the number of corresponding deaths that we saw up in the NE. NY has something like 420k cases and with that 32k deaths. Cal has 370K cases and only about 7k deaths.

NY/NJ/CT/MA/PA are close to half of all deaths in USA.

The press has been hyperventilating about AZ/TX/FL/GA for some time. Those states have about 10% of all deaths.

Now how many cases does NY/NJ/CT/MA/PA have? 880k confirmed cases.

AZ/TX/FL/GA have 921k cases.

Why is that despite more cases, those states have fewer deaths? And by a long shot. Did the lockdowns help the NE? It seems hard to argue that lockdowns in NY were the way to go, but somehow AZ has it wrong? Has the virus changed? What has changed? Is the virus less lethal? Have we already lost the most vulnerable?
 
Grace T. said:
I dunno how it will work....I don't know if we'll really even like living in Utah. But something's got to change. Can't continue this way without breaking the kids. And at least for my little one, at least 1/12 of his life will have been spent under these conditions...that's gotta do something for a person. But hey, maybe in the film there was someone that woke up after taking the red pill, saw the new reality around them, heard the history and thought "whoa...that's bogus, but Zion's kinda sweet". But so long as you felt the same way about the Floyd outrage, that's fair.
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Kids distance learning temporarily and murder is not exactly a fair comparison.
 
MacDre said:
This is the lie that is often perpetuated by many immigrant families. The reality is that many immigrants came to the USA with education, money, and cultural capital. Most of the poor folks in Michigan for example can’t afford a trip to Europe, Africa, Panama, China etc.

So how did your grandfather get to the USA w/o money, education, and cultural capital?
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What about the early irish immigrants? They came over here as indentured servants didnt they?
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Say, for instance, your child's history teacher said this before a lesson. It's just not useful.
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Actually it is good for a history teacher or someone else to point out which countries are crap holes. You can use that to compare and contrast why certain cultures do much better than others. The rule of law comes to mind. Why certain types of political systems lead to terrible corruption, etc.

Much better than looking at some crappy countries and then listen to the teacher tell my kids all cultures are equal or just as good as each other, when we know that is not the case. There is a reason 3rd world countries are 3rd world. And there is a reason why countries move into 1st world status. Pretending it is different does nobody any good.
 
MSK357 said:
What about the early irish immigrants? They came over here as indentured servants didnt they?
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Very true and very different analysis. It tripped me out, when I looked on the slave roles and saw Irish indentured servants.
I have even been uncomfortable with how I have seen Irish and Polish folk treated relatively recently in the UK.
 
MicPaPa said:
Get off the fence it's a clear and simple issue. At some point be a parent and take a stand...should kids be in school or not?
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If it were all about me as a parent, it would be easy.

My kids have the skills and home support to work independently. Pure virtual works just fine, for us.

It does not work out so great for everyone else.

Which puts me back on the fence. Nice view, but a little precarious.
 
MacDre said:
This is bad. What’s your point?
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Where do you think the oppressive system failed them? White karate teacher didn't do his job? I never heard a "kiai" when that feral, black punk's shoe struck the white toddler in the head. That said, do you think Al Sharpton will have a comment? LeBron will pay for the girl's college?
 
MacDre said:
Very true and very different analysis. It tripped me out, when I looked on the slave roles and saw Irish indentured servants.
I have even been uncomfortable with how I have seen Irish and Polish folk treated relatively recently in the UK.
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Scots too. That's the problem with being white these days. How does one know if the white dude their looking at with hatred is the whitey that is Irish, Scottish or an elitist first class snob and will get off the boat before the kids and woman if the boat is sinking. There lies the issue Dre. We all have been treated like sh*t if your not an elitist born into wealth. Just the kind of leader to lead those off the boat too. Loser!!!! I'm not sure how much the coal workers on the bottom of the titanic got paid but it sure wasnt much I hear. But hell, it was job I guess.
 
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