New Research on Covid Transmission

Justafan said:
I'm assuming you're referring to the homeless issue. The homeless issue has been around forever, especially in the big cities. Are there more homeless in Southern California now than ever before? Yes.

Kicker, I have lunch about once a week at the Fisherman's Outlet on 5th and Central, a hard core homeless area. I grew up in Boyle Heights, walking distance to Downtown (I walked to a couple Laker's parades in the 80's). My dad attended AA meetings in skid row and I went to a few Al-Anon meetings there in the late 70's. I used to accompany my dad all over downtown to the garment district, jewelry district, and electronics district. I've seen homeless my entire life. The homeless that I see Downtown now is about triple what I remember seeing back in the 70's-90's.

But ask me if I spend one mili-second losing sleep over the homeless issue? The honest answer is I don't. I may be more immune than others, but it doesn't phase me one bit. Now, when I see it, it's not aesthetically pleasing, but as soon as I'm passed it, it is completely gone from my mind. I would bet the house that that is the way it is for everybody on this forum. None of us stay awake at night thinking, god that was a great goal my little Suzy scored, but man, that homeless problem has me worried.

So when people talk about the homeless, do they really give a shit about it, or is it just politics? Do we just point it out to talk smack about the opposing party or not? I think you know my answer.
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Bro, my bro Bruno got his first start at school in Boyle Heights. I also walked the streets down there trying to help get kids free vaccines. I door knocked for two days. I used to live up the 60 in Montebello. Great peeps bro :)
 
Justafan said:
I'm assuming you're referring to the homeless issue. The homeless issue has been around forever, especially in the big cities. Are there more homeless in Southern California now than ever before? Yes.

Kicker, I have lunch about once a week at the Fisherman's Outlet on 5th and Central, a hard core homeless area. I grew up in Boyle Heights, walking distance to Downtown (I walked to a couple Laker's parades in the 80's). My dad attended AA meetings in skid row and I went to a few Al-Anon meetings there in the late 70's. I used to accompany my dad all over downtown to the garment district, jewelry district, and electronics district. I've seen homeless my entire life. The homeless that I see Downtown now is about triple what I remember seeing back in the 70's-90's.

But ask me if I spend one mili-second losing sleep over the homeless issue? The honest answer is I don't. I may be more immune than others, but it doesn't phase me one bit. Now, when I see it, it's not aesthetically pleasing, but as soon as I'm passed it, it is completely gone from my mind. I would bet the house that that is the way it is for everybody on this forum. None of us stay awake at night thinking, god that was a great goal my little Suzy scored, but man, that homeless problem has me worried.

So when people talk about the homeless, do they really give a shit about it, or is it just politics? Do we just point it out to talk smack about the opposing party or not? I think you know my answer.
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tjinaz said:
Said it before and Ill say it again.....

If they can protect a cashier in a supermarket checkout line that sees hundreds of random people everyday within a 6ft radius and they are OK ... how can they not protect teachers seeing the exact same smaller number of low risk kids? I smell politics in this one. Or.. maybe when the teachers explain again how important they are and why they need raises we give that money to the true heros in the grocery store.
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That's right, they are protected. They are protected by glass, constant wiping down and sanitizing their area, never touching credit cards, one person at a time. CDC just reported that children from birth to 22 have a higher viral load than adults even when they are asymptomatic or symptomatic with covid. Teachers in an enclosed room with many children who don't keep the masks on for six hours, who don't use proper sanitation when using the bathroom, when many rooms don't even have sinks, when the two windows in the classroom don't even open, when you keep your doors shut because there could be a shooter and you want to protect your students, when kids need help or hug because they are overwhelmed, you will see teachers getting sick, some dying, maybe many. Over 50% of the teachers in California are over 50. It takes a minimum of five years of college before you can start teaching. They can not be replaced over night. During a normal school year, districts frequently have a tough time even getting the minimum number of subs for those who are out sick. Then what happens? We used to double up if they couldn't find a sub, sometimes sending 7-8 students to several teachers until a sub could be found. My room was so crowded you could barely walk around it. When elementary schools went 20-1, (this no longer exists) they created smaller classrooms so when we were suddenly back to 32 students, guess what, a very crowed room. Where do you put students if you want to keep the rooms to 15? There just isn't the space. Oh, okay, outside you say, yep, in 100+ temperatures, Santa Ana winds, blowing work every which way, or what about those damp mornings? That is one way to keep kids healthy. I suspect those grumbling about keeping kids home until we get a vaccine, want their freedom, don't want to bother helping their kids all day. Some will say I have to go back to work, okay, then what do you do during the summer and breaks? Be creative, have a bubble, figure it out among close friends if it is so easy to protect. This isn't forever, unless a child dies or a teacher dies, then it is forever. Teachers are absolutely hating this, many in tears, they want to be back in the classroom probably more than the students. We will get through this. I never imagined there would be so many weak minded, selfish, people in the US. Every teacher I know would be willing to die to protect your children from a shooter and some have, many teachers constantly review what they would do if a shooter entered their school or room, yet parents can't handle the current situation to protect everyone. Say what you want, this is an incredibly sad and disappointing time for teachers for many reasons. We will be back in the classroom, children will adjust, they will be okay.
 
You must have tough skin to be from California. I travelled all over the country and the moment I mention I am from California, all the jokes begin. It’s funny because they laugh at our state but love to come for vacation. If you don’t like this state, now is the time to move. Personally, I can’t find too many places better than California. Colorado is a strong 2nd but the winters can be rough.
 
dad4 said:
Why not preventable? CO and NM are doing much better than AZ and TX. SD and SJ are doing better than OC and LA. Germany handled this better than France or Italy.

This isn't just fate. Our actions matter. Right now, by our actions, we are collectively choosing whether we end up with 200,000 deaths or 400,000 deaths.
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Because we can’t even prevent the common flu or H1N1 from circulation and claiming lives, how can we prevent Covid from doing the same.

What you are referring to is minimizing, not preventing.
 
Justafan said:
I'm assuming you're referring to the homeless issue. The homeless issue has been around forever, especially in the big cities. Are there more homeless in Southern California now than ever before? Yes.

Kicker, I have lunch about once a week at the Fisherman's Outlet on 5th and Central, a hard core homeless area. I grew up in Boyle Heights, walking distance to Downtown (I walked to a couple Laker's parades in the 80's). My dad attended AA meetings in skid row and I went to a few Al-Anon meetings there in the late 70's. I used to accompany my dad all over downtown to the garment district, jewelry district, and electronics district. I've seen homeless my entire life. The homeless that I see Downtown now is about triple what I remember seeing back in the 70's-90's.

But ask me if I spend one mili-second losing sleep over the homeless issue? The honest answer is I don't. I may be more immune than others, but it doesn't phase me one bit. Now, when I see it, it's not aesthetically pleasing, but as soon as I'm passed it, it is completely gone from my mind. I would bet the house that that is the way it is for everybody on this forum. None of us stay awake at night thinking, god that was a great goal my little Suzy scored, but man, that homeless problem has me worried.

So when people talk about the homeless, do they really give a shit about it, or is it just politics? Do we just point it out to talk smack about the opposing party or not? I think you know my answer.
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I eat there once a month......the homeless population has increased double digits each year for the past 5 years. It is our governors policies that have turned a blind eye to the impact on the community. So when people say California has become a dumpster fire, this is just ONE part of the reason.
 
Justafan said:
Then why did you do it?
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Man, this circle is long. There is plenty of blame to go around. Read my entire post with context and stop cherry picking. This entire conversation stems around the fact that Private Schools and charter schools are not waiting on anyone to get things done. Outside of testing, they are busting their asses to educate kids in a safe and efficient environment. Some with deeper pockets will incorporate testing in spite of bumbling bureaucratic idiots. Your accusations of being a cat and not having large pelotas is confusing and not providing any type of intellectual value to this discussion.

And yes, I squarely place the blame on bureaucracy on both sides of the aisle for the temperature of our cities, counties, state, and country. Guess what, you (and I) have choices. Many will turn their backs, for now, on their elected and non elected officials and act with their wallets. Parents will pull their kids out of public schools and focus on getting access to private/charter schools. If that doesn't work, their are plenty of great online programs that look good and come highly regarded. It's happening all over the country.

Kids want to go to school and play sports. It can be done in a responsible way - it's being done right now in places all over the country. Some have screwed it up, most haven't.

sincerely,
Juan Pelota.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I eat there once a month......the homeless population has increased double digits each year for the past 5 years. It is our governors policies that have turned a blind eye to the impact on the community. So when people say California has become a dumpster fire, this is just ONE part of the reason.
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I’m not up to speed on homeless policies or causes, so I’m not about to pretend to know. And you’re right, it has increased, especially in the last 10ish years imo.

And yes, it is aesthetically displeasing, and people can call us on it, that’s fair game. I just question the extent it actually bothers people who say they are bothered by it. That’s my only point.

Because when I go to New York, I expect to see homeless, I expect the subway to smell a certain way, I expect traffic, I expect F’ bombs from taxi drivers, and it doesn’t bother me one bit.

BTW, I’ve been going to Fishemans Outlet since the 70’s. Their clam chowder is the standard by which I judge all others.
 
Justafan said:
I’m not up to speed on homeless policies or causes, so I’m not about to pretend to know. And you’re right, it has increased, especially in the last 10ish years imo.

And yes, it is aesthetically displeasing, and people can call us on it, that’s fair game. I just question the extent it actually bothers people who say they are bothered by it. That’s my only point.

Because when I go to New York, I expect to see homeless, I expect the subway to smell a certain way, I expect traffic, I expect F’ bombs from taxi drivers, and it doesn’t bother me one bit.

BTW, I’ve been going to Fishemans Outlet since the 70’s. Their clam chowder is the standard by which I judge all others.
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It has moved beyond aesthetics......I can take some pictures from my commute if you’d like.
 
watfly said:
I may be getting old, but I remember back in the day when we used to say "flatten the curve" and we worried about people dying in hospital hallways because doctors had to decide who lived and died since we weren't going to have enough ventilators. Now the young bucks these days say "we need to vaccinate everyone!" and they have to wait for lab results from comprehensive peer reviewed studies instead of actual real world results, which us old timers thought were sufficient. I miss the good ole days.
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they want to drag this thing on as long as they can .
 
tjinaz said:
Said it before and Ill say it again.....

If they can protect a cashier in a supermarket checkout line that sees hundreds of random people everyday within a 6ft radius and they are OK ... how can they not protect teachers seeing the exact same smaller number of low risk kids? I smell politics in this one. Or.. maybe when the teachers explain again how important they are and why they need raises we give that money to the true heros in the grocery store.
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boom! and teachers lost all support from me when their union demanded a political check list before they went back to work. But if i can add to your list, truckers, doctors, nurses, lab techs, the people that actually give the tests at locations, cops and fire fighters.
 
Jose has returned said:
boom! and teachers lost all support from me when their union demanded a political check list before they went back to work. But if i can add to your list, truckers, doctors, nurses, lab techs, the people that actually give the tests at locations, cops and fire fighters.
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Let's not forget Life Guards. I watch a stud LG save 8 kids yesterday. A certain break has rip tides every time sets roll in. Hotels=tourist=I have no clue on riptides. Kids from NJ and and Ohio in Cali for vaca. I sat with my wife and predicted two of the kids who would need to be saved. I almost wanted to stop them before they went out with their boogie board and no fins. You see what happens is the kid loses his boogie board and now he's stuck out in the ocean in a ripe tide. He panics because he swims straight in and he goes nowhere. He yells for help and Mr Stud Life Guard is there to save another life. Please ad AC Tech Guy as well. He's on OT helping folks stay cool :)
 
tjinaz said:
Just NYC is a very small sample size and a dubious one at that. NYC is the very worst environment for this and is atypical. There have to be over 500,000 cashiers of various types throughout the country and I don't see them wanting to close the stores as they are all sick.
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if it was happening they would have reported it. That is great fuel for fear mongoring
 
Justafan said:
Here's the difference dumbass. When patrons come into a grocery store they are masked up, they move around and don't stay in one place for more than 2-3 minutes, and certainly not directly in front of a grocery store worker. So even if they are covid positive, the likelihood they will transmit to someone else is low. In a classroom, you'll have 30 students confined in a classroom for 50 minutes, probably all facing in one direction. And this will happen 6 times a day, 5 days a week.

Here, re-read this article to freshen up. https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

And remember, the most important thing teachers want is testing! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...o-reopening-schools/ar-BB178hPd?ocid=msedgdhp

Your sense of smell is faulty, maybe you have covid!
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Schools can have the kids wear a mask and the teacher wear a mask. Kids can have shields around their desk, wash their hands and maintain social distance. There are many professions wear masks all day, hospital workers do it for 12 hours and people travel in airplanes cross country right next to strangers and there is no spike. If you want to do it you will find a way if you don't you will find excuses.
 
Jose has returned said:
if it was happening they would have reported it. That is great fuel for fear mongoring
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They have reported it. I've read dozens of reports that talk about essential workers and working class neighborhoods being at higher risk for covid.

The working class side of Santa Clara County has about 4-5 times the covid infection rate of the tech side. 1.5 percent versus about 0.35 percent, depending on zip code.

If you read MSM these days, it's pretty hard to miss.
 
dad4 said:
They have reported it. I've read dozens of reports that talk about essential workers and working class neighborhoods being at higher risk for covid.

The working class side of Santa Clara County has about 4-5 times the covid infection rate of the tech side. 1.5 percent versus about 0.35 percent, depending on zip code.

If you read MSM these days, it's pretty hard to miss.
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Q bro. If you were told today that your job would end September 7th and all your retirement you worked your ass for is wiped clean, what would you do?
 
being at risk is not the same as getting it. we are all at risk of it so must like boxing protect yourself at all times.

im interested in a link if you have one. santa clara has a lot of cases but very few deaths which is great news and what everyone should be concerned with. this isn't as deadly as we thought. its contagious and really bad for unhealthy people and the elderly so protect them and the rest of the people go on with life because this isn't going anywhere
 
Jose has returned said:
being at risk is not the same as getting it. we are all at risk of it so must like boxing protect yourself at all times.

im interested in a link if you have one. santa clara has a lot of cases but very few deaths which is great news and what everyone should be concerned with. this isn't as deadly as we thought. its contagious and really bad for unhealthy people and the elderly so protect them and the rest of the people go on with life because this isn't going anywhere
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Are you getting paid for this bullshit?
 
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