New ECNL Clubs

FernandoFromNationalCity said:
About 600 for fees uniforms 200 and coaching fees about 65 a month
Now are you going to answer the question that was asked earlier on the thread how ecnl would be bad for Rebels?
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I didn't say ENCL would be bad, I'm saying the system Rebels have in place is working, why not keep implementing it. Rebels have had great success when they pool together top talents for their 00s 01s and 02s ( the 00s benefit from the 01s playing up, the 01s benefit from the 02s playing up etc). And their timing is couldn't be more perfect as these teams peak at prime recruiting years. And not to mention, all this for under 1K a year, what a bargain. Would top players want to pay up to 3K with ECNL, or they now have a good financial incentive to go to Albion/Surf/Sharks and possibly be scholarshipped and play for free.
 
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The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
 
Monkey said:
The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
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Very true but I think it has to do with not having actually home games. I honestly feel if the rebels did get ecnl or da the team would cut the travel by half with league play being that the team would have home games at southwestern college vs galaway downs with thier $10 parking.
 
FernandoFromNationalCity said:
Very true but I think it has to do with not having actually home games. I honestly feel if the rebels did get ecnl or da the team would cut the travel by half with league play being that the team would have home games at southwestern college vs galaway downs with thier $10 parking.
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I hear your point. Home games are important. At the end of the day it would be $60-80 for parking for the season of home games at Galway.

However, I think the point is when you step up to ECNL or DA, you got to pay to play. Period! No matter how you add it up. Driving, parking, hotel, flights, Registration. Discussion about $ should not even be an issue, it’s assumed. Everyone has to be on board with the pay to play model. No way around it.
 
Monkey said:
The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
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this is dumb. I live in OC, not SouthBay San Diego, but to say parents can't afford travel out-of-state for youth sports is ridiculous. I know Rebels has been traveling to far away places for Regional and National Cups for years. And beyond soccer they consistently have youth baseball teams playing in the Little League World Series -- yes, the one on ESPN, in Pennsylvania -- as just one other prominent example. Parents make it work.

Sharks would be the biggest loser if Rebels gets ECNL. Albion and Surf (who both poach Rebels players with a promise of better competition would be losers as well). If Rebels wants ECNL, I don't see any good reason not to give it to them.
 
oh canada said:
this is dumb. I live in OC, not SouthBay San Diego, but to say parents can't afford travel out-of-state for youth sports is ridiculous. I know Rebels has been traveling to far away places for Regional and National Cups for years. And beyond soccer they consistently have youth baseball teams playing in the Little League World Series -- yes, the one on ESPN, in Pennsylvania -- as just one other prominent example. Parents make it work.

Sharks would be the biggest loser if Rebels gets ECNL. Albion and Surf (who both poach Rebels players with a promise of better competition would be losers as well). If Rebels wants ECNL, I don't see any good reason not to give it to them.
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Travel cost to LL World Series is paid for by Little League International.

http://archive.littleleague.org/media/llnewsarchive/2007stories/07series_facts_8-15-07.htm
 
oh canada said:
this is dumb. I live in OC, not SouthBay San Diego, but to say parents can't afford travel out-of-state for youth sports is ridiculous. I know Rebels has been traveling to far away places for Regional and National Cups for years. And beyond soccer they consistently have youth baseball teams playing in the Little League World Series -- yes, the one on ESPN, in Pennsylvania -- as just one other prominent example. Parents make it work.

Sharks would be the biggest loser if Rebels gets ECNL. Albion and Surf (who both poach Rebels players with a promise of better competition would be losers as well). If Rebels wants ECNL, I don't see any good reason not to give it to them.
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No good reason.
Which makes you think with the season coming to an end in a few months and decisions being made now...set to be announced in the coming months...who will be the new ECNL teams?

Goes back to why do these organizations do what they do, when “reason” and logic is plain to see.
 
Monkey said:
The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
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FernandoFromNationalCity said:
Very true but I think it has to do with not having actually home games. I honestly feel if the rebels did get ecnl or da the team would cut the travel by half with league play being that the team would have home games at southwestern college vs galaway downs with thier $10 parking.
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oh canada said:
this is dumb. I live in OC, not SouthBay San Diego, but to say parents can't afford travel out-of-state for youth sports is ridiculous. I know Rebels has been traveling to far away places for Regional and National Cups for years. And beyond soccer they consistently have youth baseball teams playing in the Little League World Series -- yes, the one on ESPN, in Pennsylvania -- as just one other prominent example. Parents make it work.
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Oh Canada please go back and read what I wrote. Parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay, especially on the girls side. My child has played at Rebels and that was our experience. More than average scholarships and vocal parents complaining about paying for extra travel and even complaining about extra travel in general. This is especially true for playing in a league that requires travel without a guarantee of advancing to Western Regionals, Nationals and other similar championships.

The 2004 girls teams are a good example. Last year they played in the top flight of Coast but this year they took a step back to play in Presidio(SDDA). Do you know why? I heard first hand from families on the team and 2004 families playing up on the 2003 team.

Fernando who I know is still down there agrees with what I said..

Your example of Little Legaue is misguided because they play in the local league and when they advance, the qualifying tournament for the World Championship is in San Bernardino plus these same parents seem to be willing to shell out more for their sons.

I have personal experience with this club and this has been my experience. Can you say the same? Please stop speculating about things you don’t have first hand experience with and therefore cannot understand.
 
Monkey said:
Oh Canada please go back and read what I wrote. Parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay, especially on the girls side. My child has played at Rebels and that was our experience. More than average scholarships and vocal parents complaining about paying for extra travel and even complaining about extra travel in general. This is especially true for playing in a league that requires travel without a guarantee of advancing to Western Regionals, Nationals and other similar championships.

The 2004 girls teams are a good example. Last year they played in the top flight of Coast but this year they took a step back to play in Presidio(SDDA). Do you know why? I heard first hand from families on the team and 2004 families playing up on the 2003 team.

Fernando who I know is still down there agrees with what I said..

Your example of Little Legaue is misguided because they play in the local league and when they advance, the qualifying tournament for the World Championship is in San Bernardino plus these same parents seem to be willing to shell out more for their sons.

I have personal experience with this club and this has been my experience. Can you say the same? Please stop speculating about things you don’t have first hand experience with and therefore cannot understand.
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Part of changing the culture of an organization entails, making changes in the following:

1. Expectations
2. Belief Systems
3. Environment
4. Personnel
5. Levels of commitment


Although, Organizational change is not limited to these.

As you attest to, the current climate in Central San Diego is an issue which forces central SD players into few options, and ultimately to look for answers usually at Albion, Surf, or farther north. ECNL will obligate certain non negotiables, which most players that leave and travel north look for...by ECNL entering the most southern Region of Cal South, won’t they be providing a much needed solution to the players who MUST go north? Won’t the “CHANGE” to ECNL and it’s obligatory cause and environment force those unwilling to change out, or into lower level teams?
 
Dabizness said:
Part of changing the culture of an organization entails, making changes in the following:

1. Expectations
2. Belief Systems
3. Environment
4. Personnel
5. Levels of commitment


Although, Organizational change is not limited to these.

As you attest to, the current climate in Central San Diego is an issue which forces central SD players into few options, and ultimately to look for answers usually at Albion, Surf, or farther north. ECNL will obligate certain non negotiables, which most players that leave and travel north look for...by ECNL entering the most southern Region of Cal South, won’t they be providing a much needed solution to the players who MUST go north? Won’t the “CHANGE” to ECNL and it’s obligatory cause and environment force those unwilling to change out, or into lower level teams?
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ECNL doesn't raise the cost just for the ENCL players and teams, it raises the cost across the board for all players. The latter is more true if they need to provide financial aids to those on the ENCL teams, the money for these has to come from somewhere.
 
Monkey said:
Oh Canada please go back and read what I wrote. Parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay, especially on the girls side. My child has played at Rebels and that was our experience. More than average scholarships and vocal parents complaining about paying for extra travel and even complaining about extra travel in general. This is especially true for playing in a league that requires travel without a guarantee of advancing to Western Regionals, Nationals and other similar championships.

The 2004 girls teams are a good example. Last year they played in the top flight of Coast but this year they took a step back to play in Presidio(SDDA). Do you know why? I heard first hand from families on the team and 2004 families playing up on the 2003 team.

Fernando who I know is still down there agrees with what I said..

Your example of Little Legaue is misguided because they play in the local league and when they advance, the qualifying tournament for the World Championship is in San Bernardino plus these same parents seem to be willing to shell out more for their sons.

I have personal experience with this club and this has been my experience. Can you say the same? Please stop speculating about things you don’t have first hand experience with and therefore cannot understand.
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"...same parents seem to be willing to shell out more for their sons."

So now these "Rebels and a lot of SouthBay club parents" are cheap AND sexist?

I think you are making some very broad assumptions based on one team's decisions. For any family, it's never just a COST analysis, it's a COST/BENEFIT calculation. Traveling for Coast League every game from SouthBay SD -- not a big benefit, especially if the other teams in the league aren't that challenging. Paying for and traveling to San Bernardino for the chance to be on ESPN -- huge benefit. Traveling to Idaho (or pick your state) for championship games, or across the country for this Super Y League (whatever that is), make the benefit cut too for these parents bc the teams are travelling there as well. I would think ECNL too would be a big enough benefit for these families to pay more for.

In any event, Rebels staff knows their families better than anyone -- or at least they should. If they are applying for ECNL then they already know/think that enough club parents will believe that the added cost is worth it. So to suggest that affordability is a barrier to ECNL entry for a club that draws from an area of 300-400K people is just incorrect imo. In summers I have business in the area and in TJ, so some familiarity with the club through friends etc. even though my kids never played there (but all 3 have always played for a club with similar demographics).
 
Dabizness said:
Part of changing the culture of an organization entails, making changes in the following:

1. Expectations
2. Belief Systems
3. Environment
4. Personnel
5. Levels of commitment


Although, Organizational change is not limited to these.

As you attest to, the current climate in Central San Diego is an issue which forces central SD players into few options, and ultimately to look for answers usually at Albion, Surf, or farther north. ECNL will obligate certain non negotiables, which most players that leave and travel north look for...by ECNL entering the most southern Region of Cal South, won’t they be providing a much needed solution to the players who MUST go north? Won’t the “CHANGE” to ECNL and it’s obligatory cause and environment force those unwilling to change out, or into lower level teams?
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Great have at it, change the culture. But not on my kids back. I will do what is best for my child, not the club. For all you people that think I am Will, sorry to disappoint. You can look at my earlier posts when I was hanging onto Rebels hoping that the culture would change before I felt it was in my children’s best interest to move on. Rebels does have some great coaches but as long as they bow down to the pressure of parents it is a toxic situation. Again just look at the 2004 girls team.

And for your information it is not central San Diego but south.
 
Does anyone have first hand knowledge whether Rebels applies for ECNL or are you all making assumptions? And in my opinion Randy adds nothing other than a liability.
 
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