New ECNL Clubs

terrence said:
VA is not the Main field for ECNL teams. Breakers was not one of the illegal tenants. While I agree overall the teams are weak , the 02 and 03 look strong. As far as the traffic, it sucks but this was a huge area that DA and ECNL missed. High level players were forced to leave the area and trek to Real, Eagles, Slammers etc..
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The VA is the main practice field for the club and its fields are used for some of the regular club teams as well as some ECNL teams (the GU13, for instance, has used the VA field for games). If (or when) they lose the VA, there will be pressure put on its remaining fields, including those that might have been previously reserved for the ECNL teams. Moreover, the main club may spill over into fields used by other area clubs, which will put pressure on those clubs to push for more time at the fields (e.g., Uni HS and Pali HS) used by the ECNL teams. As it is, there are other clubs using those fields, plus two AYSO regions. Much like traffic, field space is a mess on the westside.
 
FernandoFromNationalCity said:
Crazy to think that the rebels wouldn’t want a higher tier league especially having to compete against Albion’s DA
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So DA or nothing? Rebels gets ECNL, my pitch might be access to 4 national college showcases a year, the ability to play against some of the most talented players in the country, and a well-organized, established league with a proven track record of putting their member clubs and players first. If I had to address Albion as competition, at the risk of sounding negative, their record across all age groups in their second year in the DA is signing up for a whole lot of "development."

But ultimately is comes down to coaching at the younger ages (and at the olders as well), not leagues, and I do not have insight into Rebels vs. Albion staff. I expected Albion's coaching staff to produce better results, so perhaps you have insight into their performance.
 
Dos Equis said:
So DA or nothing? Rebels gets ECNL, my pitch might be access to 4 national college showcases a year, the ability to play against some of the most talented players in the country, and a well-organized, established league with a proven track record of putting their member clubs and players first. If I had to address Albion as competition, at the risk of sounding negative, their record across all age groups in their second year in the DA is signing up for a whole lot of "development."

But ultimately is comes down to coaching at the younger ages (and at the olders as well), not leagues, and I do not have insight into Rebels vs. Albion staff. I expected Albion's coaching staff to produce better results, so perhaps you have insight into their performance.
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Who has insight to coaching for ECNL/DA clubs in the San Diego and LA regionS we’re talking about?

Albion coaching for DA teams only?
Sharks ECNL coaches?

Rebels potentially?
LA POTENTIAL?
 
Dos Equis said:
So DA or nothing? Rebels gets ECNL, my pitch might be access to 4 national college showcases a year, the ability to play against some of the most talented players in the country, and a well-organized, established league with a proven track record of putting their member clubs and players first. If I had to address Albion as competition, at the risk of sounding negative, their record across all age groups in their second year in the DA is signing up for a whole lot of "development."

But ultimately is comes down to coaching at the younger ages (and at the olders as well), not leagues, and I do not have insight into Rebels vs. Albion staff. I expected Albion's coaching staff to produce better results, so perhaps you have insight into their performance.
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I honestly think rebels have the right formula for development (possession base) with coach Gabe for the littles , Coach Abel/Cam for the middle age and coach Ryan for the olders..whether it’s for da or ecnl. But for whatever reasons be da or ecnl haven’t really gave Rebels the chance to get in these leagues (beside the boys 07 who won state cup and now they’re da) There’s a lot of talent in the south bay leaving this area to go play for teams that have the higher tier leagues in north county or la..Now if they get da or ecnl that cuts the pipeline hopefully and the talent might stay in the South Bay..
 
FernandoFromNationalCity said:
I honestly think rebels have the right formula for development (possession base) with coach Gabe for the littles , Coach Abel/Cam for the middle age and coach Ryan for the olders..whether it’s for da or ecnl. But for whatever reasons be da or ecnl haven’t really gave Rebels the chance to get in these leagues (beside the boys 07 who won state cup and now they’re da) There’s a lot of talent in the south bay leaving this area to go play for teams that have the higher tier leagues in north county or la..Now if they get da or ecnl that cuts the pipeline hopefully and the talent might stay in the South Bay..
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Thank you
 
What are Rebels club fees right now for the top girls teams, just for registration, coaching and uniform?
 
FernandoFromNationalCity said:
About 600 for fees uniforms 200 and coaching fees about 65 a month
Now are you going to answer the question that was asked earlier on the thread how ecnl would be bad for Rebels?
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I didn't say ENCL would be bad, I'm saying the system Rebels have in place is working, why not keep implementing it. Rebels have had great success when they pool together top talents for their 00s 01s and 02s ( the 00s benefit from the 01s playing up, the 01s benefit from the 02s playing up etc). And their timing is couldn't be more perfect as these teams peak at prime recruiting years. And not to mention, all this for under 1K a year, what a bargain. Would top players want to pay up to 3K with ECNL, or they now have a good financial incentive to go to Albion/Surf/Sharks and possibly be scholarshipped and play for free.
 
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The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
 
Monkey said:
The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
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Very true but I think it has to do with not having actually home games. I honestly feel if the rebels did get ecnl or da the team would cut the travel by half with league play being that the team would have home games at southwestern college vs galaway downs with thier $10 parking.
 
FernandoFromNationalCity said:
Very true but I think it has to do with not having actually home games. I honestly feel if the rebels did get ecnl or da the team would cut the travel by half with league play being that the team would have home games at southwestern college vs galaway downs with thier $10 parking.
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I hear your point. Home games are important. At the end of the day it would be $60-80 for parking for the season of home games at Galway.

However, I think the point is when you step up to ECNL or DA, you got to pay to play. Period! No matter how you add it up. Driving, parking, hotel, flights, Registration. Discussion about $ should not even be an issue, it’s assumed. Everyone has to be on board with the pay to play model. No way around it.
 
Monkey said:
The problem with Rebels and a lot of South Bay clubs in general
is that parents cannot afford or are unwilling to pay to play (coaching fees, travel....) in these higher level leagues that require more travel. Sorry to talk in generalizations but that has been our experience. Those that are willing to step up to the next level have to leave the area to find teams willing to compete, especially on the girls side. For example friends told me that the 2004 girls teams played SDDA this year because the parents were not willing to play Coast.
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this is dumb. I live in OC, not SouthBay San Diego, but to say parents can't afford travel out-of-state for youth sports is ridiculous. I know Rebels has been traveling to far away places for Regional and National Cups for years. And beyond soccer they consistently have youth baseball teams playing in the Little League World Series -- yes, the one on ESPN, in Pennsylvania -- as just one other prominent example. Parents make it work.

Sharks would be the biggest loser if Rebels gets ECNL. Albion and Surf (who both poach Rebels players with a promise of better competition would be losers as well). If Rebels wants ECNL, I don't see any good reason not to give it to them.
 
oh canada said:
this is dumb. I live in OC, not SouthBay San Diego, but to say parents can't afford travel out-of-state for youth sports is ridiculous. I know Rebels has been traveling to far away places for Regional and National Cups for years. And beyond soccer they consistently have youth baseball teams playing in the Little League World Series -- yes, the one on ESPN, in Pennsylvania -- as just one other prominent example. Parents make it work.

Sharks would be the biggest loser if Rebels gets ECNL. Albion and Surf (who both poach Rebels players with a promise of better competition would be losers as well). If Rebels wants ECNL, I don't see any good reason not to give it to them.
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Travel cost to LL World Series is paid for by Little League International.

http://archive.littleleague.org/media/llnewsarchive/2007stories/07series_facts_8-15-07.htm
 
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