Right, what you're describing is the only way to make a contract work without NCAA backing it up + fining coaches for reaching out after "signing".
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good point. Someone has to enforce it. I'm just saying its going to be really messed up if these kids get an agreement to go to like Stanford and then stop talking to everyone else and then a week before school starts Stanford goes oh sorry I chose someone else. I mean WTF.
Yep, this is why I said the door for youth players being represented by agents is starting to open. An agency that represents multiple players would protect the players they represent from this type of thing happening. They'd do it by banding together with other agents and blocking that coach from making a last minute switch. Unless it's something everyone agrees with.
its gonna be an absolute mess. Agents are not going to represent a girls soccer player with zero money involved.
Notice how scholorship, revenue sharing, and NIL are being defined up front in whatever will replace the NLI.
This is how agents will get paid.
How will they get paid when the kid was not going to get paid? They get a cut of the 40% scholarship?
No, they won't get a cut of the scholoship.
They will get a cut of the revenue sharing during the time they're playing. They'll also get a cut of the player NIL money.
Representing soccer players likely won't be the most lucrative market but if you can represent large numbers of players it might make sense.
so then the kids will get less if someone else had to get paid. Before that someone else was getting zero. sounds like an amazing deal for the kid. like i said an absolute mess
Maybe, maybe not.
Agents have an incentive to fight on behalf of the player for more $$$. If agents can represent enough players they can also push for more $$$ as a group when compared to players that aren't represented.
Would you rather get $100 with no agent representation.
Or, would to prefer $1000 with a 10% agent cut? With an agent you get $800 more than if you're unrepresented.
of course but I guess w e will have to see what shakes out. I just hope if the kid makes a decision they are protected.
So basically we're now saying, "so much for amateur sports." Suddenly we're back to kids being recruited and 'signed' in middle school. Putting a kid's future in the hands of an agent. Wow... that's an upgrade? I don't see it.
What was so bad that needed changing? You can protect a school and protect a kid by making things binding. Leave verbals open, if that's what needs to happen, but NLI should be binding for both player AND coach. Yes, you can be accepted into 10 different schools and not make a decision until the first day but that's not inherently right, either. When did we stop holding ourselves accountable? When did it become okay to say "yes" to a bunch of people and then not show up?
What was so bad that needed changing? You can protect a school and protect a kid by making things binding. Leave verbals open, if that's what needs to happen, but NLI should be binding for both player AND coach. Yes, you can be accepted into 10 different schools and not make a decision until the first day but that's not inherently right, either. When did we stop holding ourselves accountable? When did it become okay to say "yes" to a bunch of people and then not show up?
College sports are moving away from the concept of Amateurism. Love or hate the change it's happening.
NCAA is losing court cases left and right eventually "student athletes" will be employees of the school and not just students that happen to play a sport. Why is this a bad thing? Being successful at sports takes all kinds of time and dedication. Just like being successful at school takes all kinds of time and dedication.
It would be great if a college player could get a free education and enough $$$ to buy a house in cash when they graduate.
Reguarding agents + youth players I agree with you it's going to cause problems. Unfortunately there's no better alternatives. At least players are getting paid.
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I think it's a bad thing because now they're just professionals. I mean, why bother going to class at all? Just go to school online, show up for practice and get paid. College athletes are pampered already. I'd be all for giving them a stipend... some spending money and a limitless training table card. That and the occasional scholarship they get now. That's it. They're amateurs, but nothing in life is free. They aren't playing year round. To a degree, I think we'd both say they're training year round, but they're supposed to be there for an education unless you play basketball at Kentucky. Giving agents access completely undoes moving the "verbal" process away from middle schools. Back to square 1. What changed? If anything, young kids will be MORE victimized. And I thought there was already a problem with too many kids going to college just for the sport.
Being a college athlete is a privilege. Yes, we've all been made aware of work it takes to get and stay there, but that's life. Most kids I know are working at Chipotle while mine is training. Same deal. If you're upset the schools are making so much money and hardly anything is going to the student athletes, I'd argue that. Schools offer these athletes a lot and, frankly, it's mostly football and some basketball teams making money.
Where do you think all this money is going to come from? College soccer isn't profitable now and still won't be after these changes.
There are already "consultants" who help players with recruitment but it's just another thing that parents are paying for.
Nobody is going to pay female college soccer players. How many have NIL deals now? Female college soccer players.
That's not really what it's about.
Before with NLI recruiters and coaches promised and unofficially pay players (if you're football player) to get them to sign with a school. Once players signed the paperwork was filled out and it may or may not be what was promised.
With the new version of NLI everything being provided to a player is written down and presented to them before they sign. If multiple schools are looking to recruit a player they'll get to see the exact dollar amount each option provides and can use it to make a decision
Colleges won't be able to waste players time with empty promises anymore. If you want a top player you're going to need to pay them what they're worth.
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Another thing to consider is how a "top" recruit will get ranked, i.e. is it based on soccer ability or does the ability to attract NIL money enter the picture? How long before college recruiting services are being supplemented by digital marketing services, building your brand, ramping up your followers and presence online, all while the kids are in High School, or even Middle School ... so if a college has a spot and has to choose between a slightly better player with slightly better GPA vs one who has a larger digital presence and the potential to generate more revenue for the NIL collective ... they go with #2 I think (elite players aside).
I don’t think most of our kids have a “brand”, let alone a monetizable brand that can bring significant cash to an NIL collective.
Sure, I love the idea that my kid will be paid a million dollars a year to play her favorite game. It’s just not realistic.
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Obviously $1M per year isn't realistic for any college soccer player, although the #2 NIL college athlete is a gymnast. My point is that the decision criteria may go from ability + grades to ability + grades + marketability.
HS girls - https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/high-school/womens-soccer/
College G - https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/college/womens-soccer/