More potential NCAA changes

dad4 said:
I think part of the purpose of college sports is to create an on campus social scene.

Colleges have symphonies and theater productions. This serves to entertain both the audience and the participants. At many schools, sports fit into that space.

It gets weird when alumni donations turn out to depend on the W/L record of the football team. That's when you get scholarships, million-dollar coach salaries, and so on. But that's nothing to do with sports. You'd see a 5 million dollar theater director salary if there was TV revenue on the line.
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I really don't buy your opening sentence above. If it was qualified with football and basketball, then I'd say it's slightly closer to the truth. That said, I don't even then agree ... its all about the money. My eldest just started in college - the football ticket allocation for the students section in his college is 10% of the stadium capacity. They have to pay for those tickets, if they get them (demand based, money still taken!). That's it. They are not expecting students to fill the rest of the stadium though.

Generally football (mostly) and basketball pay for everything else, if even. Take those two out, and the rest fold as unsustainable. Nobody is going to pay additional tuition fees to subsidize college sports. As for the amount the college coaches get paid, that's just obscene.
 
whatithink said:
I really don't buy your opening sentence above. If it was qualified with football and basketball, then I'd say it's slightly closer to the truth. That said, I don't even then agree ... its all about the money. My eldest just started in college - the football ticket allocation for the students section in his college is 10% of the stadium capacity. They have to pay for those tickets, if they get them (demand based, money still taken!). That's it. They are not expecting students to fill the rest of the stadium though.

Generally football (mostly) and basketball pay for everything else, if even. Take those two out, and the rest fold as unsustainable. Nobody is going to pay additional tuition fees to subsidize college sports. As for the amount the college coaches get paid, that's just obscene.
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My daughters current university fundamentally changed after it became a members of the PAC12 thirteen years ago (obviously when the PAC12 still had prestige). The amount of money and exposure that it brought into the school, not just for sports, but donorship for academics and facilities (not to mention enrollment) was just insane. The academics improved so dramatically that WSJ rated it the best public school in the West.
 
sports.yahoo.com

College leaders, attorneys gearing up to 'clarify' but not amend booster language in House-NCAA settlement

Attorneys remain confident that the NCAA’s settlement in the House antitrust case will be approved by a California judge after they provide her clarity on key items.
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NCAA is going to keep the collectives terminology + think they just need to explain it better to the judge that has already rejected it

Good choice, judges generally love when lawyers explain to them why they made the wrong decision
 
Code said:
Best thing that could happen is college sports goes away, and colleges focus on education and research. The athletes can continue to play in free-market sports leagues for compensation, or in local leagues for the love of playing the game.
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Disagree. College athletes are better students than regular students. After graduation they hold a higher percentage of jobs and income. I'm hiring the applicant that got a degree and played 4 years of sports over someone that just got a degree. Having the focus to juggle their time between school and a sport (and work for many of them), learning to work in groups and teams. Much more rounded students.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
sports.yahoo.com

College leaders, attorneys gearing up to 'clarify' but not amend booster language in House-NCAA settlement

Attorneys remain confident that the NCAA’s settlement in the House antitrust case will be approved by a California judge after they provide her clarity on key items.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com

NCAA is going to keep the collectives terminology + think they just need to explain it better to the judge that has already rejected it

Good choice, judges generally love when lawyers explain to them why they made the wrong decision
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I've been reading that many on the NCAA side are now leaning towards a jury trial. It would be fun to watch this if I wasn't worried what might happen to my kids scholarship.
 
socalkdg said:
Disagree. College athletes are better students than regular students. After graduation they hold a higher percentage of jobs and income. I'm hiring the applicant that got a degree and played 4 years of sports over someone that just got a degree. Having the focus to juggle their time between school and a sport (and work for many of them), learning to work in groups and teams. Much more rounded students.
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I'm hiring the person who got their degree, worked part time and took no loans out. I will super hire you if you worked part time, played sports and got degree and did it all with no loans. Now that is a Unicorn :)
 
socalkdg said:
Disagree. College athletes are better students than regular students. After graduation they hold a higher percentage of jobs and income. I'm hiring the applicant that got a degree and played 4 years of sports over someone that just got a degree. Having the focus to juggle their time between school and a sport (and work for many of them), learning to work in groups and teams. Much more rounded students.
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absolutely. resume straight to the top every time for me. I'm seeing it right now in high school. The average kid vs the sports kid and the commitment and focus required to stay top of the game in both is crazy. To all those freshman out there playing ECNL or MLS Next and multiple Varsity Sports their Freshman year my hats off to you.
 
socalkdg said:
Disagree. College athletes are better students than regular students. After graduation they hold a higher percentage of jobs and income. I'm hiring the applicant that got a degree and played 4 years of sports over someone that just got a degree. Having the focus to juggle their time between school and a sport (and work for many of them), learning to work in groups and teams. Much more rounded students.
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I am not sure with the correlation between college athletes and "regular" students. People play club sports are from privilege, high income families. Statistically these kids will have better jobs and higher income. It is not a direct result of playing soccer in college.
 
socalkdg said:
Disagree. College athletes are better students than regular students. After graduation they hold a higher percentage of jobs and income. I'm hiring the applicant that got a degree and played 4 years of sports over someone that just got a degree. Having the focus to juggle their time between school and a sport (and work for many of them), learning to work in groups and teams. Much more rounded students.
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I'll hire a "street smart" employee over a "book smart" employee every day of the week. Kids that play sports or worked during college tend to know there way around things better than some kid that can regurgitate information from a textbook. That "street smart" kid is better at handling challenges and not stopping at speed bumps.
 
watfly said:
I'll hire a "street smart" employee over a "book smart" employee every day of the week. Kids that play sports or worked during college tend to know there way around things better than some kid that can regurgitate information from a textbook. That "street smart" kid is better at handling challenges and not stopping at speed bumps.
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100%. I remember getting hired with the Yellow Pages back in early 90s. Degree was required to get interviewed. However, a new VP of Sales told the Elites at the top that we need to higher some street-smart door knockers who won't take no for an answer. I was hired because I was street smart. My sales training class was about 30 and 29 had a degree. Miss USC was #1 in our class. Did the best at roll play and was voted most likely to succeed. She quit the first month because she didn't like being told, "GTF out of my store you loser." I learned from the street what the real objections were and learned how to overcome them. I became #1 and the rest is history.
 
www.sportico.com

The NCAA’s Big Spending Problem

The NCAA talks a good game, but its spending money in all the wrong places, Coastal Carolina's Joe Moglia says in this Sportico op-ed.
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"Over the past four fiscal years, the organization spent an astonishing $234 million on legal fees"

"In 2011, the NCAA only spent $4.1 million on legal fees, compared to $61.5 million last year. The organization’s investments only generated $2.5 million more than they expended on legal fees last year. This is the business equivalent of a 103 degree temperature. Something is very, very wrong."

NCAA won't be able to continue fighting all the lawsuits soon. Amazing when you consider college could pay players as employees and everything would work out. All this just to continue exploiting student athletes.
 
NCAA just got rid of the National Letter of intent.
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NCAA eliminating National Letter of Intent

Historic changes are coming to college sports. The NCAA Division I Council approved to eliminate the National Letter of Intent program.
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This means players can be added or removed up until the day they step on campus.

It also means that players can go to the highest bidder and change bidders up until the day they step on campus.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
NCAA just got rid of the National Letter of intent.
www.on3.com

NCAA eliminating National Letter of Intent

Historic changes are coming to college sports. The NCAA Division I Council approved to eliminate the National Letter of Intent program.
www.on3.com www.on3.com

This means players can be added or removed up until the day they step on campus.

It also means that players can go to the highest bidder and change bidders up until the day they step on campus.
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Change is Inevitable. NLI had a lot of grey area. It was far from perfect.
The national letter of intent for college athletes is going away. But terms in the LOI aren’t. They’ll be incorporated into new agreements between schools & athletes that lay out the athlete’s compensation (NIL, Alston, scholarship aid, etc.).Will be important contracts. Some of the language that was previously in the letter of intent will now be incorporated into school scholarship/financial aid agreements. And instead of the NLI program being something separate from the NCAA, its rules and regs will be incorporated into NCAA bylaws.
 
pitchplease said:
Change is Inevitable. NLI had a lot of grey area. It was far from perfect.
The national letter of intent for college athletes is going away. But terms in the LOI aren’t. They’ll be incorporated into new agreements between schools & athletes that lay out the athlete’s compensation (NIL, Alston, scholarship aid, etc.).Will be important contracts. Some of the language that was previously in the letter of intent will now be incorporated into school scholarship/financial aid agreements. And instead of the NLI program being something separate from the NCAA, its rules and regs will be incorporated into NCAA bylaws.
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The big difference is that whatever contracts are signed aren't binding to either party (player or coach). In the past once you signed NIL with a college other colleges could no longer recruit you.

Now a jerkoff college coach could verbally commit to a player with the intention to keep looking for better and replace them at the last minute. Leaving the player out in the cold without a team.

The other side of the coin is that players can commit speak with multiple schools playing their offers against each other all the way up to the day before attending classes in college. Leaving open a roster spot that needs to be filled last minute.

This is going to open the door for agents to get involved with players being recruited. There's too much potentially going on in the last minute for a single coach or player to be able to manage it all.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
The big difference is that whatever contracts are signed aren't binding to either party (player or coach). In the past once you signed NIL with a college other colleges could no longer recruit you.

Now a jerkoff college coach could verbally commit to a player with the intention to keep looking for better and replace them at the last minute. Leaving the player out in the cold without a team.

The other side of the coin is that players can commit speak with multiple schools playing their offers against each other all the way up to the day before attending classes in college. Leaving open a roster spot that needs to be filled last minute.

This is going to open the door for agents to get involved with players being recruited. There's too much potentially going on in the last minute for a single coach or player to be able to manage it all.
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something needs to be binding. I just don't see anything not being binding until they enroll in the school.
 
SuperSoccerStar said:
something needs to be binding. I just don't see anything not being binding until they enroll in the school.
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NCAA can't do NLI because it's anti competitive and if they kept doing it they'd likely get sued.

So instead they're going to try to do the same thing but with scholorships and NIL contracts.

Whoever picks up the NLI tourch will likely get sued.

Think about it. If you were accepted by university of xyz and university of abc you're free to choose which one you want to attend. You're even free to choose one then not show up because you're attending a different school. But somehow student athletes are different? It doesn't make sense.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
NCAA can't do NLI because it's anti competitive and if they kept doing it they'd likely get sued.

So instead they're going to try to do the same thing but with scholorships and NIL contracts.

Whoever picks up the NLI tourch will likely get sued.

Think about it. If you were accepted by university of xyz and university of abc you're free to choose which one you want to attend. You're even free to choose one then not show up because you're attending a different school. But somehow student athletes are different? It doesn't make sense.
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Here's something else to consider. If a player signs the new (Not NCAA) version of NLI and another coach contacts them anyway after signing trying to sway the player to their program who enforces the no contact after signing rule? NCAA is no longer in the picture. The scholorship and NIL contract is from university xyz only. University abc coach can contact players that have already signed to try and recruit them and there's nothing university xyz can do about it.
 
letter of intent is useless now.

College is moving towards pro style contracts. Agents legal. NIL amounts written directly into contracts. If players break those contracts then they may have to at the minimum give the money back plus any penalties.
 
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