Multi Sport
DA
He's day drinking again...
Maralago warrant and aftereffects --
- Thread starter espola
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You just insulted day drinkers...
Pollo Elastico
BRONZE
Remember how excited husker and espola were over the hearings?
Within the first week the head of the committee said there would be no criminal referrals.
And despite that they kept watching, hoping, drinking the cool aide.
At some point you would think they would wait until everything was aired before jumping to conclusions.
Within the first week the head of the committee said there would be no criminal referrals.
And despite that they kept watching, hoping, drinking the cool aide.
At some point you would think they would wait until everything was aired before jumping to conclusions.
A legal document created by local FBI agents attesting to what they found at the Trump estate.
That’s what it is.
Got anything other than mockery? There are FBI agents willing to swear they found top secrets documents in a closet in Trump‘s estate. You might want to put in a little more thought than just responding with a laugh emoji.
Apparently they found documents labeled "Top Secret"...doesn't mean they are.
Perhaps we should let justice work
Pollo Elastico
BRONZE
This is the part you continue to not understand.
T when president can declassify any document he wants.
Just because it says classified on it, doesn't mean he didnt declassify and take them with him.
And as repeatedly stated, not enough information is known to determine what happened to them.
We also do not have a full breakdown of how other presidents have classified info and they don't get raided.
I wouldn't want to see you on any jury, since you seem to have already convicted someone without understanding all the various details.
One needs to wait till all the info comes out before determining guilt or innocence. This is a step you bypass. You bypass it because some agency said so and for you I guess that is all you need to hear. Not good. Not the way things are done.
FBI misled judge in obtaining warrant to seize hundreds of safe deposit boxes
New court documents show that the FBI planned for months to seize and forfeit property found inside safe deposit boxes in an L.A. raid under the pretext of doing an inventory.
reason.com
I'm not against the FBI, but we need checks and balances for our government. The FBI isn't above the law either.
Pollo Elastico
BRONZE
Yep. Gov agencies at all levels have done wrong/bad things. You cannot take their word at face value.FBI misled judge in obtaining warrant to seize hundreds of safe deposit boxes
New court documents show that the FBI planned for months to seize and forfeit property found inside safe deposit boxes in an L.A. raid under the pretext of doing an inventory.
I'm not against the FBI, but we need checks and balances for our government. The FBI isn't above the law either.
Your above example is one example. The stuff they did with the dossier is another.
And the list goes on.
That is why as you say we need checks and balances. And that is why it is premature to rush to judgement related to Mar A Lago until all the facts come out, and all the relevant law is applied to that fact pattern.
Pollo Elastico
BRONZE
Recall that the Biden White House has been claiming they were completely out of the loop. And yet we find they lied.
"Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.
The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.
By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.
The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.
The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump's lawyers summarizing the White House's involvement.
"On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office -- affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum -- formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes," Wall wrote Trump defense attorney Evan Corcoran.
That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.
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The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents."
"Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.
The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.
By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.
The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.
The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump's lawyers summarizing the White House's involvement.
"On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office -- affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum -- formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes," Wall wrote Trump defense attorney Evan Corcoran.
That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.
...
The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents."
Trump has been accused of a lot of nefarious conduct, some of which has been true like failing to call off the rioters and trying to influence election officials. Some of it has not been true, but involved a lot of teeth gnashing, abuse of power and wasted energy and resources, albeit good for cable news ratings. If it involves Trump it is likely 100% political and I don't trust him or the other side to paint an accurate picture. So shoot me for wanting to wait for more evidence. Remember what your Mama taught you, "two wrongs don't make a right".
So, if Biden was wrong for failing to use executive privilege to shield Trump, will you make the same charge against Trump for failing to use executive privilege to shield Clinton?
Not gonna hold my breath on that one. But, if you’re consistent, you’ll condemn Trump in exactly the same language you just condemned Biden. Don’t forget to use bold.
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
wait, wut hearings?
Pollo Elastico
BRONZE
You misunderstand again. Trump didnt take away any executive privilege claimed by Bill Clinton. In this case it appears Biden might have which again is unprecedented.
And HC was Sec of State. She doesn't get to determine what documents are classified or not on her own. A President however can.
Pollo Elastico
BRONZE
I am not arguing 2 wrongs dont make a right.
I keep telling husker and company that we need all the facts to come out to determine what actually happened.
I am not saying T is correct, nor am I saying he is wrong. I want all the facts to come out before I get excited one way or the other.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Gee but I heard that they just “raided” trumps personal living quarters completely unannounced trashing the place while disrespecting our dear leader.T's worst enemies seem to be his own lawyers since they keep admitting key elements of the DOJ position while attacking the whole thing, when they are not actually caught lying. A case in point is the release of the full text of the NARA position paper about the documents, released to the public by t's legal team yesterday --
Full text of National Archives letter to Trump on classified documents
Just the News has obtained the full text of the letter that the National Archives sent to former President Donald Trump requesting classified documentsjustthenews.com
Rubber Chicken, the two wrongs vs right was not directed at you.
Hüsker Dü
DA
You are setting conditions for your approval that endanger agents and national security. Exactly what trump wants to happen. You are obviously siding with trump over a federal judge, the DOJ and the FBI while parroting trump talking points about how those are all tainted by politicization which he himself tried to do and now claims is the case. The tactics are obvious to those of us on the outside.
Again, you may feel you are a neutral, unbiased observer but your language says otherwise.
You were discussing some theoretical obligation of sitting presidents to use executive privilege to cover the ass of their predecessor.
Under that theory, why didn’t Trump assert executive privilege to cover Hillary’s ass?
Nothing about your theory said anything about which former executive official needed their ass covered, or why it needed covering.
Failed attempt #1- because hrc wasn’t president. Executive privilege applies to the whole branch, not just the person. This is why Trump had no problem asserting it on behalf of any number of his subordinates. If EP applies to Trump’s subordinates, then it also applies to Obama’s.
Failed attempt #2- because hrc didn’t have the power to declassify documents. Trump repeatedly asserted EP to shield subordinates, none of whom had the ability to declassify documents. Declassification authority is irrelevant. Presidents can, and do, assert EP on behalf of people who cannot classify or declassify documents.
So, why didn’t Trump assert EP to cover for Hillary? He knew how to assert it, and he apparently thinks it should be used to shield people who no longer have an executive branch role. If Biden is supposed to cover Trump’s ass, then why didn’t Trump cover Hillary’s?
If you say so.
Just out of curiosity (even though I might regret it), what are you on the "outside" of?
Just to settle a misconception that is being bandied about here -- Presidents have the authority to declassify documents in most cases, but it is not an absolute power. They must inform the managers of the information he has done it for bureaucratic reasons, and some documents require approval by other groups, such as nuclear weapons design information. locations of ballistic submarines, the identity of sources in other countries, etc. Declassifying documents in the manner described in the last few days is a fault that may be seen anywhere from just poor administration all the way to treason, depending on the material disclosed, the reason for disclosing it, and those who received it.
Multi Sport
DA
You haven't shown proof of any "Top Secret" documents that President Trump was not allowed to take with him. Your decision to believe an agency that already has personal that have disdain for the President only shows me your lack of understanding..
That's the bottom.line.