Maralago warrant and aftereffects --

[crush]

That makes you a pure partisan. Apparently, if your not apoplectic about Trump you are a pro-Trump. A mere dislike of him doesn't count. Got it.

Good job Watty, you now see how these monsters play life. They cheat & lie and then accuse you for supporting someone you think is a complete asshole. You talk and walk like t sometimes so you get lumped. Lawyers I knew pulled this crap on fakebook back when HRC lost. I quit FB that week. I tried to break up online fight with some old pals of mine and the hard core lib lawyer bro went low blow and shared my sins of my youth. Dude went cray cray on me because I stood for adoptions and not abortions. Anyway, the same clown is acting like these clowns we deal with at the forum. I can;t belive they lump you in as a t terrorist and Jan 6th. Talk about drawing lines in the sand. I least we can see the board now

 

[Pollo Elastico]

Biden White House facilitated DOJ's criminal probe against Trump, scuttled privilege claims: memos

"I have therefore decided not to honor the former President's 'protective' claim of privilege," acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall wrote Trump's team in May.

justthenews.com

 

[Multi Sport]

It was on the receipt the FBI agents signed when the FBI took the boxes back out of maralago.

Item 2A. Various Classified/TS/SCI documents. line 4 in the description of items below.

Either FBI agents were willing to commit perjury, or the documents removed had a “top secret” classification.

View attachment 14648

Are you serious? This is what you're gonna hang your hat on? LMAO @ "potential".

 

[Happened again]

You talk the talk you get lumped. Trump is the one that attempted to politicize the FBI and any other formally independent agency, you are just following suit.

you just can't get out of your own way.

 

[Multi Sport]

Oh, aren't you clever!

I suppose you want to know the name of the confidential source as well.

Well I guess you believe "potential" is a crime.

 

[Multi Sport]

you just can't get out of your own way.

He's day drinking again...

 

[Lion Eyes]

He's day drinking again...

You just insulted day drinkers...

 

[Pollo Elastico]

Remember how excited husker and espola were over the hearings?

Within the first week the head of the committee said there would be no criminal referrals.

And despite that they kept watching, hoping, drinking the cool aide.

At some point you would think they would wait until everything was aired before jumping to conclusions.

 

[dad4]

Are you serious? This is what you're gonna hang your hat on? LMAO @ "potential".

A legal document created by local FBI agents attesting to what they found at the Trump estate.

That’s what it is.

Got anything other than mockery? There are FBI agents willing to swear they found top secrets documents in a closet in Trump‘s estate. You might want to put in a little more thought than just responding with a laugh emoji.

 

[Lion Eyes]

A legal document created by local FBI agents attesting to what they found at the Trump estate.

That’s what it is.

Got anything other than mockery? There are FBI agents willing to swear they found top secrets documents in a closet in Trump‘s estate. You might want to put in a little more thought than just responding with a laugh emoji.

Apparently they found documents labeled "Top Secret"...doesn't mean they are.

Perhaps we should let justice work

 

[Pollo Elastico]

There are FBI agents willing to swear they found top secrets documents in a closet in Trump‘s estate. You might want to put in a little more thought than just responding with a laugh emoji.

This is the part you continue to not understand.

T when president can declassify any document he wants.

Just because it says classified on it, doesn't mean he didnt declassify and take them with him.

And as repeatedly stated, not enough information is known to determine what happened to them.

We also do not have a full breakdown of how other presidents have classified info and they don't get raided.

I wouldn't want to see you on any jury, since you seem to have already convicted someone without understanding all the various details.

One needs to wait till all the info comes out before determining guilt or innocence. This is a step you bypass. You bypass it because some agency said so and for you I guess that is all you need to hear. Not good. Not the way things are done.

 

[watfly]

A legal document created by local FBI agents attesting to what they found at the Trump estate.

That’s what it is.

Got anything other than mockery? There are FBI agents willing to swear they found top secrets documents in a closet in Trump‘s estate. You might want to put in a little more thought than just responding with a laugh emoji.

FBI misled judge in obtaining warrant to seize hundreds of safe deposit boxes

The FBI told a federal magistrate judge that it intended to open hundreds of safe deposit boxes seized during a March 2021 raid in order to inventory the

reason.com

I'm not against the FBI, but we need checks and balances for our government. The FBI isn't above the law either.

 

[Pollo Elastico]

FBI misled judge in obtaining warrant to seize hundreds of safe deposit boxes

The FBI told a federal magistrate judge that it intended to open hundreds of safe deposit boxes seized during a March 2021 raid in order to inventory the

reason.com

I'm not against the FBI, but we need checks and balances for our government. The FBI isn't above the law either.

Yep. Gov agencies at all levels have done wrong/bad things. You cannot take their word at face value.

Your above example is one example. The stuff they did with the dossier is another.

And the list goes on.

That is why as you say we need checks and balances. And that is why it is premature to rush to judgement related to Mar A Lago until all the facts come out, and all the relevant law is applied to that fact pattern.

 

[Pollo Elastico]

Recall that the Biden White House has been claiming they were completely out of the loop. And yet we find they lied.


"Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.



The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.

By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.

The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.

The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump's lawyers summarizing the White House's involvement.


"On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office -- affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum -- formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes," Wall wrote Trump defense attorney Evan Corcoran.


That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.

...

The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents."

 

[watfly]

Yep. Gov agencies at all levels have done wrong/bad things. You cannot take their word at face value.

Your above example is one example. The stuff they did with the dossier is another.

And the list goes on.

That is why as you say we need checks and balances. And that is why it is premature to rush to judgement related to Mar A Lago until all the facts come out, and all the relevant law is applied to that fact pattern.

Trump has been accused of a lot of nefarious conduct, some of which has been true like failing to call off the rioters and trying to influence election officials. Some of it has not been true, but involved a lot of teeth gnashing, abuse of power and wasted energy and resources, albeit good for cable news ratings. If it involves Trump it is likely 100% political and I don't trust him or the other side to paint an accurate picture. So shoot me for wanting to wait for more evidence. Remember what your Mama taught you, "two wrongs don't make a right".

 

[dad4]

Recall that the Biden White House has been claiming they were completely out of the loop. And yet we find they lied.


"Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.



The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.

By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.

The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.

The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump's lawyers summarizing the White House's involvement.


"On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office -- affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum -- formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes," Wall wrote Trump defense attorney Evan Corcoran.


That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.

...

The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents."

So, if Biden was wrong for failing to use executive privilege to shield Trump, will you make the same charge against Trump for failing to use executive privilege to shield Clinton?

Not gonna hold my breath on that one. But, if you’re consistent, you’ll condemn Trump in exactly the same language you just condemned Biden. Don’t forget to use bold.

 

[Happened again]

Remember how excited husker and espola were over the hearings?

Within the first week the head of the committee said there would be no criminal referrals.

And despite that they kept watching, hoping, drinking the cool aide.

At some point you would think they would wait until everything was aired before jumping to conclusions.

wait, wut hearings?

 

[Pollo Elastico]

So, if Biden was wrong for failing to use executive privilege to shield Trump, will you make the same charge against Trump for failing to use executive privilege to shield Clinton?

You misunderstand again. Trump didnt take away any executive privilege claimed by Bill Clinton. In this case it appears Biden might have which again is unprecedented.

And HC was Sec of State. She doesn't get to determine what documents are classified or not on her own. A President however can.

 

[Pollo Elastico]

Remember what your Mama taught you, "two wrongs don't make a right".

I am not arguing 2 wrongs dont make a right.

I keep telling husker and company that we need all the facts to come out to determine what actually happened.

I am not saying T is correct, nor am I saying he is wrong. I want all the facts to come out before I get excited one way or the other.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

T's worst enemies seem to be his own lawyers since they keep admitting key elements of the DOJ position while attacking the whole thing, when they are not actually caught lying. A case in point is the release of the full text of the NARA position paper about the documents, released to the public by t's legal team yesterday --

Full text of National Archives letter to Trump on classified documents

Just the News has obtained the full text of the letter that the National Archives sent to former President Donald Trump requesting classified documents

justthenews.com

Gee but I heard that they just “raided” trumps personal living quarters completely unannounced trashing the place while disrespecting our dear leader.