Let the Principals & Teachers Decide

Now early on countries locked down based on models. Models that turned out to wildly overestimate deaths.

Then as states started opening up in May models showed huge spikes in deaths. @dad4 @espola @EOTL and other referenced the experts and claimed doom was at hand.

"These flawed ICL models begin with an unproven assumption, namely that lockdowns are effective at combating the coronavirus. The models are therefore automatically calibrated to produce a sharp spike in deaths after the removal of lockdowns or any move toward reopening."

We can go back and look at some of these models and see they failed.......AGAIN.

www.aier.org

The Models Were Wildly Wrong about Reopening Too | The Daily Economy

"These flawed models begin with an unproven assumption, namely that lockdowns are effective at combating the coronavirus. The models are therefore auto ...
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As a side note...but a rather important one. If the experts who deal with infectious diseases, have lots of experience in modeling etc, get these so wrong. At what point do we start wondering about climate models predicting where we are going to be in 80 yrs? We know a lot more about the human body and disease vs all the millions of variables that go into what makes our climate. Food for thought no?
 
Desert Hound said:
Now early on countries locked down based on models. Models that turned out to wildly overestimate deaths.

Then as states started opening up in May models showed huge spikes in deaths. @dad4 @espola @EOTL and other referenced the experts and claimed doom was at hand.

"These flawed ICL models begin with an unproven assumption, namely that lockdowns are effective at combating the coronavirus. The models are therefore automatically calibrated to produce a sharp spike in deaths after the removal of lockdowns or any move toward reopening."

We can go back and look at some of these models and see they failed.......AGAIN.

www.aier.org

The Models Were Wildly Wrong about Reopening Too | The Daily Economy

"These flawed models begin with an unproven assumption, namely that lockdowns are effective at combating the coronavirus. The models are therefore auto ...
www.aier.org www.aier.org

As a side note...but a rather important one. If the experts who deal with infectious diseases, have lots of experience in modeling etc, get these so wrong. At what point do we start wondering about climate models predicting where we are going to be in 80 yrs? We know a lot more about the human body and disease vs all the millions of variables that go into what makes our climate. Food for thought no?
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Does AIER publish their own models, or just snipe at the people who do?

Or is your argument that government should just make policy without using any models at all?
 
Banana Hammock said:
The teachers union and teacher safety parted ways longs ago. I've been there for the past twenty years. Their current concern for 'teacher safety' is nothing more than political expediency in a time of crisis.

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”

― Rahm Emanuel

I am all for teacher safety, since I live with one. You are mistaken if you think the union is.
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Sorry, you’re off topic. “Parted ways long ago” irrelevant. “Teacher safety nothing more than political expediency” if you mean they want safety and testing right now, you’re right. Rahm Immanuel quote - red herring. Is union for safety, I doesn’t matter what you oro think they are for, that’s irrelevant to the question at hand.

The question is: what do teachers need and want to return to school RIGHT now?

You heard it straight from the horses mouth today. You won’t accept it because you want to keep harping on you’re point. You’re trying too hard to be right and you’re not. Own it.
 
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What you are saying is that the CEA makes campaign contributions, not that it is “government’s big money donor.”
Desert Hound said:
Don't play dumb. Education unions overwhelmingly support Dem politicians. As a matter of fact they are some of the biggest donors around.

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Teachers are going with the winners. Who can blame them? Who supports the losers? Big oil? Big pharma? Big finance? The Koch family?

Sure, the teachers union has government in its pocket. Millions of constituents donating less tjan one family donates to Republicans. Charles Koch alone has thrown $1 billion dollars to Republican causes and you’re complaining about teachers donating $11 million.
 
espola said:
He was a guest at the game to throw out the first pitch, so he could sit pretty much anywhere he wanted to. As for the mask, he has one around his neck and it appears to be down while he is eating or drinking something, undoubtedly provided by his hosts since the concession stands were not open.

Your ongoing campaign against Fauci is just making you look partisan and bitter.
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Lol. He is watching a baseball game with a buddy, doesn't look like he is eating.
 

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Grace T. said:
Reading comprehension. I had a bacterial infection not Covid. You can’t catch it by walking around next to me. You’d have to perform some truly intimate acts to have a chance to get it and men generally don’t since it’s a girl thing. Wow if this is how bad the fear porn has gotten I feel pretty sorry for you.

As to fauci unless he’s living in a threesome there’s no way that meets any social distancing requirement and it most certainly does not meet most mask orders (in fact fauci has criticized people for removing masks for conversation). This is the third time he’s been caught doing this. He’s your fallen idol, not mine.
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Wait, what? You went viral and bacterial in the span of a few weeks? Well done. Will you be in Utah soon?
Blessings and safe travels to you.
 
EOTL said:
What you are saying is that the CEA makes campaign contributions, not that it is “government’s big money donor.”


Teachers are going with the winners. Who can blame them? Who supports the losers? Big oil? Big pharma? Big finance? The Koch family?

Sure, the teachers union has government in its pocket. Millions of constituents donating less tjan one family donates to Republicans. Charles Koch alone has thrown $1 billion dollars to Republican causes and you’re complaining about teachers donating $11 million.
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Let’s talk about Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, academia, mainstream media and the deep state.
 
Real Deal said:
Wait, what? You went viral and bacterial in the span of a few weeks? Well done. Will you be in Utah soon?
Blessings and safe travels to you.
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It’s been more than a third of a year now but yes. The bacterial infection came much closer to killing me than the Rona thanks to the so called experts.

The other thing which is buried is that, as I suspected he might, fauci has begun to revise his vaccine time table. He’s now talking spring and for the first time brought up who gets the vaccine first (children weren’t mentioned).
 
Real Deal said:
Wait, what? You went viral and bacterial in the span of a few weeks? Well done. Will you be in Utah soon?
Blessings and safe travels to you.
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It’s been more than a third of a year now but yes. The bacterial infection came much closer to killing me than the Rona thanks to the so called experts.

The other thing which is buried is that, as I suspected he might, fauci has begun to revise his vaccine time table. He’s now talking spring and for the first time brought up who gets the vaccine first (children weren’t mentioned).
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Let’s talk about Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, academia, mainstream media and the deep state.
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Nah, let’s stay on topic and talk about how incredibly stupid @Banana Hammock and @Desert Hound must be to think teachers are “government’s big money donor”. How they think a 300,000 member teachers union that has spent $242 million over 25 years ($806 a person, or $32 a person per year) is bad, but one person alone spending $400 million in two years is fine.
 
oh canada said:

From the Wash Post:

Let’s agree for the sake of argument that the next school year is going to be terrible. The federal government and the states are at odds over when to put kids back in classrooms. Planning by superintendents and school boards is both messy and tardy. Whatever is decided will probably crumble in the next coronavirus surge.

It will be a disaster. What should we do?
Here is a suggestion only the bravest and smartest school board members will ever consider: Let principals and teachers decide. They know their students better than anyone except parents, who would just as soon get back to work. If school staff are allowed to try their best ideas, some might click. The results can’t be any worse than what will happen anyway.

Tell each principal and teacher how many students they are going to have and let them sort it out. They must have the courage to put forth their ideas. Clever superintendents and principals should urge teachers to speak up. The only limits should be common sense, the resources at hand and the law. Parents would have to be consulted, but they will be happy for any help given the load that was dumped on them in March with no warning.

A few weeks ago I asked readers for ideas. Many of those who replied were teachers. Much of what they said was compelling and worth trying.
Why not create student pairs for reading and discussion? Even without the latest gadgets they could link up from their homes using my favorite ancient technology, the telephone. They could read to each other. They could discuss the questions teachers sent them while enjoying the contact with each other so many have missed.

How about assigning every student an hour of reading each evening with a parent or older sibling? That is what many families do anyway. Why not make it a requirement? It would be free of the stress that comes with regular homework, trying to figure out answers.
Some readers told me sources of learning in communities are being overlooked: museums, parks, recreation centers, local businesses and colleges. In this emergency, such enterprises could join with educators to put together something different that might engage students online.

If some classes are scheduled at school, why not try more art and music? There is no way in these circumstances we’re going to make much progress in reading, writing and arithmetic. Why not do something fun and cut down on no-shows?

The best students can be asked to work with those who need help. Children might suggest their own projects. They could walk around their block and write about what they found most interesting. They could bake cookies based on the official recipe, and then try different proportions and report the results.
The best charter schools have made good use of their freedom from old school district rules and biases. Why shouldn’t teachers and principals at regular public schools have a chance to do that, at least during this crisis?

I have praised the Uncommon charter schools in New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts for their close attention to classroom practices in these difficult times. They have found that prerecorded videos are often the best way to teach online. Phone calls to homes, they say, reveal the best ways to encourage participation by students who aren’t logging in.

Why can’t regular school staff do that? They know their students as well as teachers in charter schools know theirs. Some of the most successful charter school leaders got their best ideas when they were still working in regular schools, being told they could not do what they wanted to do. The vast majority of our teachers still work in regular schools. Why can’t they use unconventional but sensible methods, such as visiting families at home to help them get ready for school? Union leaders should reconsider telling creative teachers to do less, as revealed by my colleague Laura Meckler in her big story about a San Francisco school.

I sound like I am giving up on the new school year before it starts. I am. We have to admit this will be the worst school year ever. No one knows exactly what will happen, but it will not be good. What we face is an extreme combination of hurricanes, tornadoes, major earthquakes and the day my drill sergeant ordered us to set up our barracks outside.

We have to get through it. We must look forward to the day we put it behind us. With a free hand, the professionals who will eventually have to clean up this mess might be able to experiment with fresh ideas we all can learn from.
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I truly sense the frustration .....

What I want to know is if the school is cancelling in room classes, then why are the staff and teachers
being paid their regular salary....!!!
The money is NOT going to be there very shortly....no matter what anyone says.....!

Thousands upon thousands of small businesses ( Mainly Restaurants ) are closing to never open again....
That revenue ( Taxes/Fees/Registrations ) will never go to Sacramento ( California is the focus here ) so
the pending financial shortfall is going to be astronomical. The Governor and the California Legislature
will never get that money from the Federal Government because that is a State issue...so basically " Our "
Governor has hamstrung California due to his and other DEMOCRATS policy differences with the President....

This pissing contest is a lose lose for ALL the parents of school age students, from preschool to College....!

The simplest way to solve this in my opinion is to put the kids back in school...a plexiglass divider is
installed between the students and the ( Oh so Vulnerable Teachers according to their " UNION " ) teachers..
Ceiling to Floor - Wall to Wall...masks worn by all....
Temps taken at entrance to school ....if temps are truly an indicator..
NO PHYSICAL INTERACTION BETWEEN STAFF AND STUDENTS !
The students come in the rear door, the teacher comes in the front door ( Almost ALL classrooms have two
access doors ) limit contact until this manufactured crisis is solved on Nov 4th 2020....

It really is that easy.....!

Would be a huge trust issue between the students and the teachers....but the bottom line is this is when
they have GOT to pack in the knowledge, and they need the student to student interaction....
 
EOTL said:
Nah, let’s stay on topic and talk about how incredibly stupid @Banana Hammock and @Desert Hound must be to think teachers are “government’s big money donor”. How they think a 300,000 member teachers union that has spent $242 million over 25 years ($806 a person, or $32 a person per year) is bad, but one person alone spending $400 million in two years is fine.
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This series of posts really highlights how un-American and un-Democratic the Republican party has become. They look at 300,000 people each donating $32 in a year on average as a threat to the American way of life, although the sum of all those donations on behalf of 300,000 people is 5% of what Charles Koch alone donated in a single year.
 
EOTL said:
This series of posts really highlights how un-American and un-Democratic the Republican party has become. They look at 300,000 people each donating $32 in a year on average as a threat to the American way of life, although the sum of all those donations on behalf of 300,000 people is 5% of what Charles Koch alone donated in a single year.
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Keep up the LIES, because when reality hits you like a freight train you will be crying like a
little bitch wondering what happened....!
 
Grace T. said:
It’s been more than a third of a year now but yes. The bacterial infection came much closer to killing me than the Rona thanks to the so called experts.

The other thing which is buried is that, as I suspected he might, fauci has begun to revise his vaccine time table. He’s now talking spring and for the first time brought up who gets the vaccine first (children weren’t mentioned).
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They learn more about the virus everyday and one thing they know is it affects people differently, why, they don't know yet. Dr. Fauci is a legend in the world of viral infection science. Who are you?
 
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