Let the Principals & Teachers Decide

MacDre said:
I attended Lincoln Park Academy Magnet in the ghetto of Ft. Pierce in St Lucie county. Most of the affluent kids were bussed from Port St. Lucie.

The regular kids in St Lucie County had involuntary busing. I believe Port St Lucie made national news in 1992 due to skinhead protest over the poor mostly minority kids being bussed to Port St. Lucie HS.

When I returned to CA, teachers from my magnet school pulled some strings and were able to get me into Mission San Jose H.S. in Fremont, CA

lol How did you forget RJ’s?
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This is honest reporting Dre. Rich kids ((first class)) and their parents in today's America come in all colors. It's called first class sir and many have inherited decedents coin, like from a great grandpa or worked they way up to the top by cheating or working hard and doing it right. The regular kids ((middle class)) also comes in many flavors and parents are trying to keep with with the Joneses and make it rich some day. The dirt Poor Kids ((Low Class)) also come in all colors.
Let's try not to add a color to any of the three classes like, "rich white kids" or "Those racists middle class white dudes)) or those poor white folk. This is what drives me batty. Outlaw does it all the time.
Today I took a plane to Boise. I passed some rich folks in first class and then I passed the middle class and then I found my middle class seat. My friend who is poor, found a spot in the wheel well and flew as a stowaway because he had no money and I;m saving my cash so I can be like Mr Jones. It's the way the world works. Dont buy the lie with your soul is my advice. Opportunities like what is happening today comes around like never so many many people see away to make a quick buck and their doing it. The problem I see is people have to sleep with themselves at night and get reminded in their mind that what they did to win was wrong and in some cases illegal. Many go to bed feeling ashamed of themselves and feel guilty. So after not being able to sleep naturally because of a guilty conscious, they drink and take pills to fall asleep and that's how America works sometimes to make it to the top.
 
Ellejustus said:
This is honest reporting Dre. Rich kids ((first class)) and their parents in today's America come in all colors. It's called first class sir and many have inherited decedents coin, like from a great grandpa or worked they way up to the top by cheating or working hard and doing it right. The regular kids ((middle class)) also comes in many flavors and parents are trying to keep with with the Joneses and make it rich some day. The dirt Poor Kids ((Low Class)) also come in all colors.
Let's try not to add a color to any of the three classes like, "rich white kids" or "Those racists middle class white dudes)) or those poor white folk. This is what drives me batty. Outlaw does it all the time.
Today I took a plane to Boise. I passed some rich folks in first class and then I passed the middle class and then I found my middle class seat. My friend who is poor, found a spot in the wheel well and flew as a stowaway because he had no money and I;m saving my cash so I can be like Mr Jones. It's the way the world works. Dont buy the lie with your soul is my advice. Opportunities like what is happening today comes around like never so many many people see away to make a quick buck and their doing it. The problem I see is people have to sleep with themselves at night and get reminded in their mind that what they did to win was wrong and in some cases illegal. Many go to bed feeling ashamed of themselves and feel guilty. So after not being able to sleep naturally because of a guilty conscious, they drink and take pills to fall asleep and that's how America works sometimes to make it to the top.
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Class is a complicated topic. I remember when I started college at UCD, I was lost culturally and in over my head. I sought out black folks to hang with because that is what I knew. Most of the black kids were upper middle class like my daughter and I had NOTHING in common with them.

In all of my Ag-Econ class there were a lot of first generation college white dudes from rural areas that grew up poor. I had more in common with the white guys than I did with the black folks because we had similar class backgrounds. I relate to all folks from the struggle. I support all kids from the struggle. If I saw a poor white kid that needed assistance, I would prioritize that kid over a middle class black kid.
However, I don’t think you can talk about class in America without talking about race. For several of the white guys that I hung out with in undergrad and law school, I’m “their black buddy.” I have a very Conservative friend that’s a career prosecutor in Orange County and we always partied together during law school. At first, he accused me of playing the race card and then after one night of drinking I told him to let me see if I could get a taxi. He watched taxis speed by me for at least an hour before he intervened. It took my white friend less than 5 minutes to get us a taxi. So race matters and white privilege exist in all social classes.
 
Real Deal said:
Seriously? You were out and about, getting your car serviced, while infected with Covid-19. Lucky car mechanics. Have you checked in on them? Did they catch your "infection?" Did anyone get your infection who sat in the park bench after you were gone? No offense, but can't you look in the mirror and see that this is the kind of selfishness that has gotten us so mired in this mess in the first place??

You have no idea whether Fauci was with family members, or had taken a rapid test just that day (which he probably does often). My guess is he was most assuredly NOT infected when this photo was taken. Meanwhile, you do know that, you, yourself, were out and about all over town while you were most certainly, infected. Can you not see the hypocrisy here? May be best not to comment in your case.
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Reading comprehension. I had a bacterial infection not Covid. You can’t catch it by walking around next to me. You’d have to perform some truly intimate acts to have a chance to get it and men generally don’t since it’s a girl thing. Wow if this is how bad the fear porn has gotten I feel pretty sorry for you.

As to fauci unless he’s living in a threesome there’s no way that meets any social distancing requirement and it most certainly does not meet most mask orders (in fact fauci has criticized people for removing masks for conversation). This is the third time he’s been caught doing this. He’s your fallen idol, not mine.
 
Is there another State that is taking away the local county or school district's decision-making authority? Or is California the only 1 of 50?
 
MacDre said:
Class is a complicated topic. I remember when I started college at UCD, I was lost culturally and in over my head. I sought out black folks to hang with because that is what I knew. Most of the black kids were upper middle class like my daughter and I had NOTHING in common with them.

In all of my Ag-Econ class there were a lot of first generation college white dudes from rural areas that grew up poor. I had more in common with the white guys than I did with the black folks because we had similar class backgrounds. I relate to all folks from the struggle. I support all kids from the struggle. If I saw a poor white kid that needed assistance, I would prioritize that kid over a middle class black kid.
However, I don’t think you can talk about class in America without talking about race. For several of the white guys that I hung out with in undergrad and law school, I’m “their black buddy.” I have a very Conservative friend that’s a career prosecutor in Orange County and we always partied together during law school. At first, he accused me of playing the race card and then after one night of drinking I told him to let me see if I could get a taxi. He watched taxis speed by me for at least an hour before he intervened. It took my white friend less than 5 minutes to get us a taxi. So race matters and white privilege exist in all social classes.
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Thanks for the back & forth. Class & race is a tough one but something we need to talk about. I see those Taxi drivers as the ones who lost out Dre. I'm sure you tip well and are a classy guy. I can tell you my son's first crush was a white girl. My son told me before this painful moment that he just identified as kid. Not white kid, not brown kid not Mexican or Irish kid. He was just kid. Why is that Dre? The real world of segregation came in 8th grade and this white girl was in love with my son but her grand parents said you cant date a Mexican. It was crushing on my son. I told him it's sad how parents stop true love all because they don;t like a color of someone. How many parents or grand parents are like this in America? Please add all the races Dre. This goes with Asians too and black folks. Latinos have some issues too. Marry your race is about what? I was walking around Irvine Spectrum the other day and I can say 100% we have a melting pot in socal and oc. You said some dark things about OC and that hurt. I told you I was engaged to black woman before I married my Native America Angel. I was told by a few people not to do that. Talk about counting the cost before you say, "I do." I guess what I'm saying is I think their are more fair minded people then ignorant folks. I think our country is awesome and good. If I didn;t, I would leave.
 
Grace T. said:
Reading comprehension. I had a bacterial infection not Covid. You can’t catch it by walking around next to me. You’d have to perform some truly intimate acts to have a chance to get it and men generally don’t since it’s a girl thing. Wow if this is how bad the fear porn has gotten I feel pretty sorry for you.

As to fauci unless he’s living in a threesome there’s no way that meets any social distancing requirement and it most certainly does not meet most mask orders (in fact fauci has criticized people for removing masks for conversation). This is the third time he’s been caught doing this. He’s your fallen idol, not mine.
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Fauci has a wife and three children.
 
oh canada said:
Is there another State that is taking away the local county or school district's decision-making authority? Or is California the only 1 of 50?
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Yup. I dont think this is going to hold up. If it does, my family will obey as we always try to do. That throw said it all for me. I was willing to give Fauci the benefit of the doubt so i told my wife if he throws a strike to the catcher ((not a real strike but a throw that the catcher can catch and it has to be in the air)) I will believe him from now on. I guess t has his turn coming up.
 
Grace T. said:
So he has his adult child with grey hair living with him? Now i just feel sorry for him
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I can;t wait to unleash my dd on here.....lol!!! I think some of these men need a slap in the face Grace. I got slapped so many times I'm a good boy now. My mom was given away in foster care and went through 23 different homes before she was 4. She was told how bad she was and no one wanted her. Woman have the true power and we all now why :) Mother Earth is about to unleash it soon. Thank you for standing up for choice and freedom Grace.
 
Ellejustus said:
Thanks for the back & forth. Class & race is a tough one but something we need to talk about. I see those Taxi drivers as the ones who lost out Dre. I'm sure you tip well and are a classy guy. I can tell you my son's first crush was a white girl. My son told me before this painful moment that he just identified as kid. Not white kid, not brown kid not Mexican or Irish kid. He was just kid. Why is that Dre? The real world of segregation came in 8th grade and this white girl was in love with my son but her grand parents said you cant date a Mexican. It was crushing on my son. I told him it's sad how parents stop true love all because they don;t like a color of someone. How many parents or grand parents are like this in America? Please add all the races Dre. This goes with Asians too and black folks. Latinos have some issues too. Marry your race is about what? I was walking around Irvine Spectrum the other day and I can say 100% we have a melting pot in socal and oc. You said some dark things about OC and that hurt. I told you I was engaged to black woman before I married my Native America Angel. I was told by a few people not to do that. Talk about counting the cost before you say, "I do." I guess what I'm saying is I think their are more fair minded people then ignorant folks. I think our country is awesome and good. If I didn;t, I would leave.
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I think “melting pot” is an exaggeration. I think “salad bowl” is more appropriate because every ethnicity is present but they aren’t interacting with each other much; this is also present at the universities where the students self segregate.

We need to figure out how to integrate kids better.
 
toucan said:
Let's suppose for purposes of argument that you are correct, and that the only reason for closing schools is because teachers are afraid of catching Covid-19. Don't you think their fear is warranted? Do you believe that teachers, administrators and staff should be required to expose themselves to a higher risk of infection?

How do you propose to run schools if a significant percentage of teachers, administrators and staff refuse to show up?
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I just want everyone to be treated equally. Kids are the most important because they are the future. The science shows they have lower transmission levels than adults

If the teachers are scared and can’t be forced back to work then neither should McDonald’s workers, plumbers, air con workers, movers. Keep the bars gyms theme parks, barbers, restaurants shuttered. Relock it down until there’s a vaccine because no one (except maybe the owner him or herself) should be forced to work if they don’t want to. Shut down the protests with force if necessary Because the schools should be open before any of those and teaches aren’t any more special than any of those workers.
 
espola said:
What point are you trying to make?
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1. He violated his own social distancing requirements. 2. He violated his own mask requirements. 3. This is not the first time he’s been caught doing it. 4. Fauci has been awful throughout all this. His personal behavior is just part of that. Though in fairness lots of people both left and right have been awful.
 
MacDre said:
I think “melting pot” is an exaggeration. I think “salad bowl” is more appropriate because every ethnicity is present but they aren’t interacting with each other much; this is also present at the universities where the students self segregate.

We need to figure out how to integrate kids better.
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Yes, Sunday church for many was "Segregation Sunday Service." The churches I went too were mix salad bowl for sure. We all agreed to follow the laws and the rules of the great book. I will say many took this way too far at times but it also works for many and I would never deny anyone their religious rights to worship and follow the laws of a book. To each his own and that is what is great about America. It's amazing to me that in the old days the schools were forced to pray and be christian. Now, it's the opposite. I personally think that's where dualism is hurting our country. Either or is not good anymore. Both and, is the key to the future.
 
toucan said:
How do you propose to run schools if a significant percentage of teachers, administrators and staff refuse to show up?
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They shouldn't get paid. Everyone else that cannot go into work doesn't get a paycheck. Sit at home, survive off your savings if you like. You know...like the rest of us that are not making money because of gov restrictions.

Or they could look at the data and see that covid is about 2.5X more deadly than the flu. They could understand that half of all deaths in the US have occurred in those 80 and above.

They could realize the risk is extremely small. That would actually require math and looking at data however which is something a lot of people don't do

Or live in fear in the basement, but the public shouldn't be paying those not willing to work.
 
Grace T. said:
1. He violated his own social distancing requirements. 2. He violated his own mask requirements. 3. This is not the first time he’s been caught doing it. 4. Fauci has been awful throughout all this. His personal behavior is just part of that. Though in fairness lots of people both left and right have been awful.
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He was a guest at the game to throw out the first pitch, so he could sit pretty much anywhere he wanted to. As for the mask, he has one around his neck and it appears to be down while he is eating or drinking something, undoubtedly provided by his hosts since the concession stands were not open.

Your ongoing campaign against Fauci is just making you look partisan and bitter.
 
espola said:
He was a guest at the game to throw out the first pitch, so he could sit pretty much anywhere he wanted to. As for the mask, he has one around his neck and it appears to be down while he is eating or drinking something, undoubtedly provided by his hosts since the concession stands were not open.

Your ongoing campaign against Fauci is just making you look partisan and bitter.
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Hard to be partisan when I’ve criticized both Trump and Johnson. I’ll plead guilty to the bitter. This is just a blatant exercise of interest group power at the expense of children so you bet I’m bitter about it particularly given that the new cdc recommendations land hard in favor of school reopening. And you are right...he could chose to sit anywhere. It’s a poor choice. Thank you for pointing that out. Appreciate the assist.
 
toucan said:
It worked in the Northeastern States like New York and New Jersey. Covid-19 is not eliminated anywhere, but it is now very manageable in the northeast
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The lockdown in the NE worked? Wow that is fascinating.

Those 5 states contributed to about HALF of all the deaths in the US. Combined they have a population of 50 million.

The other 45 states with 280 million have the other half of the deaths.

So if AZ locked down and then jumped to as high of a death rate as NY they could then be counted as a success?

If you think that lockdowns worked in the NE...have at it.

By the way when you look at the largest countries in Europe and add up all their deaths (I refer to UK, Spain, Germany, Italy and France...who have about the same population as the US) they have slightly more deaths vs the US.

I know...numbers. Details

But go ahead explain to us again how the lockdowns in the NE produced good results again?
 
toucan said:
If your argument is that we need a total lockdown except for the most essential services, then I generally agree with you. I don't see any other way around this. A total lockdown of 4-6 weeks worked in other places. It worked in the Northeastern States like New York and New Jersey. Covid-19 is not eliminated anywhere, but it is now very manageable in the northeast and most of Europe.*

I see a problem in identifying which are "essential services," but they were able to navigate a path in New York. We could generally follow its model.

You know, if we do a total lockdown, we will get our kids back to school a lot faster and we will all be a lot safer.


*Note: Sweden is an exception. Sweden did not lock down at all, and is now paying the price.
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Sweden’s doing great now. Despite having no restrictions and making the same stupid mistakes as New York the virus has practically disappeared

Spain is in a mini second wave despite all the lockdowns (largely in the Barcelona area which wasn’t hit as hard). France is also in a second wave and it’s prime minister has called the lockdownS a mistake and promised not to do it again. The lancet report also recently showed lockdown have very little effect.
 
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