Let the Principals & Teachers Decide

toucan said:
*Note: Sweden is an exception. Sweden did not lock down at all, and is now paying the price.
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The US has 10 states with a higher death rate than Sweden. NJ is nearly 3x higher and NY and CT are 2x higher. Sweden may not be the gold standard for combating the Covid virus, but it did much better than these states without having the other health and education issues caused by a lock down.

Toucan what factual (not emotional) basis do you have for teachers being treated differently than other essential workers (or even non-essential workers for that matter)? And keep in mind no one is proposing that teachers go back to work without reasonable protections.

What evidence do you have that contradicts the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine, a 70% majority of epidemiologists interviewed by the New York Times that all agree that kids should return to school in a physical capacity? What evidence do you have that contradicts a recent study in England that concluded that worldwide there have been no incidents of pupil to teacher transmission?
 
This is from DC...but this is politics as it relates the virus. The mayor extended the face mask requirement....but exempted many local and fed gov workers. Why? Are they more important? Less susceptible?

This is a variation of what is going on in the schools. The gov is trying to exempt their big money donor (the education union) from actually having to go into work. They are different. More special somehow I guess. And yes they will expect to be paid while hiding in their basement at home as well.

“The enforcement provisions of this Order shall not be applied to persons in the judicial or legislative branches of the District government while those persons are on duty; and shall not apply to any employees of the federal government while they are on duty,”

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/...80 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf
 
Just to refresh everyone's memory. These are some of the demands by the LA union in order to re-open the schools.

This is what you are up against. As I look through the demands...it is clear to me children and the virus are of utmost importance...or not.

The union demands, among other things:

  • $250 million in extra taxpayer funding for Los Angeles schools,
  • An additional $500 billion in federal funding,
  • Government-run Medicare for All,
  • A wealth tax,
  • An increase in the California state income tax,
  • Defunding the police,
  • A ban on new charter schools, and
  • Public benefits for illegal immigrants as part of the plan to reopen schools.
 
Desert Hound said:
This is from DC...but this is politics as it relates the virus. The mayor extended the face mask requirement....but exempted many local and fed gov workers. Why? Are they more important? Less susceptible?

This is a variation of what is going on in the schools. The gov is trying to exempt their big money donor (the education union) from actually having to go into work. They are different. More special somehow I guess. And yes they will expect to be paid while hiding in their basement at home as well.

“The enforcement provisions of this Order shall not be applied to persons in the judicial or legislative branches of the District government while those persons are on duty; and shall not apply to any employees of the federal government while they are on duty,”

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mayormb/release_content/attachments/Mayor's Order 2020-080 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf
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Education unions are the government’s big money donor? That’s one of the dumber things I’ve heard here.
 
Desert Hound said:
Just to refresh everyone's memory. These are some of the demands by the LA union in order to re-open the schools.

This is what you are up against. As I look through the demands...it is clear to me children and the virus are of utmost importance...or not.

The union demands, among other things:

  • $250 million in extra taxpayer funding for Los Angeles schools,
  • An additional $500 billion in federal funding,
  • Government-run Medicare for All,
  • A wealth tax,
  • An increase in the California state income tax,
  • Defunding the police,
  • A ban on new charter schools, and
  • Public benefits for illegal immigrants as part of the plan to reopen schools.
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This is all negotiations and you have to put it all on the table. The other side right now is only asking for freedom to choose a charter and home school or a mix of both. When we tried to home school it failed. However, my wife still wanted to teach the kids some and still have her freedom to shop anytime she felt like. So we did try a hybrid model with an outfit called RiverSprings. Three days of school and two days of bonding time with mommy. I worked from home so I got to be with my kids too and teach them outdoor stuff. We took field trips and it was super fun. However, my wife put my son's name at TPS and the third time was a charm and my son was picked from lottery. We talked about it and we enrolled him there. Best decision ever and my son thanks me because he said he would have been weird if home schooled forever. The next year my dd got automatically in because of her sibling brother. She tells me her life would have been ruined if I forced her to go there. My wife said it would be good for her and I over ruled her and let her out of that place. My wife says I was 100% right on both of my kids education choices :)
 
Desert Hound said:
Just to refresh everyone's memory. These are some of the demands by the LA union in order to re-open the schools.

This is what you are up against. As I look through the demands...it is clear to me children and the virus are of utmost importance...or not.

The union demands, among other things:

  • $250 million in extra taxpayer funding for Los Angeles schools,
  • An additional $500 billion in federal funding,
  • Government-run Medicare for All,
  • A wealth tax,
  • An increase in the California state income tax,
  • Defunding the police,
  • A ban on new charter schools, and
  • Public benefits for illegal immigrants as part of the plan to reopen schools.
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And then there’s you:
  • Make teachers risk their lives
  • Make students risk their lives
  • Endanger the lives of every family member who lives with a student or teacher
  • Pay teachers less
  • Take away teacher employee benefits
 
espola said:
Sweden compared to its neighbors, all of whom had strict social controls starting early in the pandemic --

aatishb.com

Covid Trends

Visualizing the exponential growth of COVID-19 across the world.
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Reading comprehension. Relevant phrase is NOW. In Sweden with no lockdowns and masks, the virus is practically gone. In France and Spain with the toughtest lockdowns in the western world, 2nd wave.
 
espola said:
Maybe she thinks no one is going to look it up. Or maybe she has access to data sources no one else has.
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Meh. You're the one with the reading comprehension issue. If I may take you back to 5th grade: "Now". France and Spain are experiencing 2nd waves despite having had the toughest lockdowns in the world. Sweden despite having done nothing including some incredibly stupid stuff is having the virus burn out. Government policies have no impact on the Rona. The virus is going to virus no matter what you do to it.

www.worldometers.info

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
Desert Hound said:
The lockdown in the NE worked? Wow that is fascinating.

Those 5 states contributed to about HALF of all the deaths in the US. Combined they have a population of 50 million.

The other 45 states with 280 million have the other half of the deaths.

So if AZ locked down and then jumped to as high of a death rate as NY they could then be counted as a success?

If you think that lockdowns worked in the NE...have at it.

By the way when you look at the largest countries in Europe and add up all their deaths (I refer to UK, Spain, Germany, Italy and France...who have about the same population as the US) they have slightly more deaths vs the US.

I know...numbers. Details

But go ahead explain to us again how the lockdowns in the NE produced good results again?
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You seem to love comparing March deaths with July deaths.

As you really ought to know by now, our treatments and PPE supply were worse in March.

If you want to compare two states, how about Arizona and New Mexico? That way it is late outbreak versus late outbreak. And you are both desert states, so we don’t have to correct for air conditioning.

New Mexico- mask rule, consistent lockdown since March 23.
Arizona- no mask rule, lockdown lifted in May.

Results in the last 7 days?
AZ has had 8 deaths per 100,000 residents. (251 cases per 100K)
NM has had 2 deaths per 100,000 residents. (97 cases per 100K)

AZ policies have resulted in four times as many deaths as NM policies. Maybe you should do whatever it is that they are doing?
 
dad4 said:
You seem to love comparing March deaths with July deaths.

As you really ought to know by now, our treatments and PPE supply were worse in March.

If you want to compare two states, how about Arizona and New Mexico? That way it is late outbreak versus late outbreak. And you are both desert states, so we don’t have to correct for air conditioning.

New Mexico- mask rule, consistent lockdown since March 23.
Arizona- no mask rule, lockdown lifted in May.

Results in the last 7 days?
AZ has had 8 deaths per 100,000 residents. (251 cases per 100K)
NM has had 2 deaths per 100,000 residents. (97 cases per 100K)

AZ policies have resulted in four times as many deaths as NM policies. Maybe you should do whatever it is that they are doing?
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Lets see. Besides AZ you have complained about TX and FL.

NM does worse than both based on deaths per million and just slightly better vs GA.

NM has 284 deaths per million.
AZ has 433 deaths per million.

NM has 596 deaths. If they had our rate they would have 909 deaths. Statistically not much of a difference.

By the way for AZ to have 4 times the deaths as NM statistically...our rate per million would need to be 1136 deaths per million.

AZ economy is in better shape as well.

Interestingly cases in NM are still going up. AZ is going down.

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Grace T. said:
You're not following too closely. My kid is in private school It was prepared to open with teachers that wanted to. It had a safe plan, mostly outdoors, that one of the leads in the AAP report put together and some here described as a prison. Newsom said no, so yes I'm bitter now about educators and if I had my way teacher's unions would be banned.
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Desert Hound said:
Just to refresh everyone's memory. These are some of the demands by the LA union in order to re-open the schools.

This is what you are up against. As I look through the demands...it is clear to me children and the virus are of utmost importance...or not.

The union demands, among other things:

  • $250 million in extra taxpayer funding for Los Angeles schools,
  • An additional $500 billion in federal funding,
  • Government-run Medicare for All,
  • A wealth tax,
  • An increase in the California state income tax,
  • Defunding the police,
  • A ban on new charter schools, and
  • Public benefits for illegal immigrants as part of the plan to reopen schools.
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Absolutely FAKE News. That was for their November 2020 ballot. Please read this article from TODAY!


I win again!
 
dad4 said:
You seem to love comparing March deaths with July deaths.

As you really ought to know by now, our treatments and PPE supply were worse in March.

If you want to compare two states, how about Arizona and New Mexico? That way it is late outbreak versus late outbreak. And you are both desert states, so we don’t have to correct for air conditioning.

New Mexico- mask rule, consistent lockdown since March 23.
Arizona- no mask rule, lockdown lifted in May.

Results in the last 7 days?
AZ has had 8 deaths per 100,000 residents. (251 cases per 100K)
NM has had 2 deaths per 100,000 residents. (97 cases per 100K)

AZ policies have resulted in four times as many deaths as NM policies. Maybe you should do whatever it is that they are doing?
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By the way...why is Cal still going up? I thought you guys had stricter rules in place vs AZ?

Lockdowns work right?

Clearly in NM they are not as cases continue to rise.

Here is CA
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Justafan said:
Absolutely FAKE News. That was for their November 2020 ballot. Please read this article from TODAY!


I win again!
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Um...I believe it was @watfly that pointed out it was recent.

Here is the link to what I referenced. It is from JULY. Nothing to do with a November ballot.

And here is a screenshot from the first page. I am not sure why you have continuing trouble with this. It has been explained to you numerous times already.

Please tell me you are not a teacher. You seem to have trouble with basic concepts. Dates being one of them. Reading what the union proposes being another.

Fish/Barrel/Shooting

PS: how was the arrow skills on this one @watfly?

DocumentCloud

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