You gotta admire a man who sticks to his convictions despite seeing the evidence in front of his face.
Please continue.
Insurrection hearings
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SILVER ELITE
you have TDS
Hüsker Dü
DA
This thing is just going to divide the nation even further! Divide those that love and believe in America from those that love and believe trump.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Wouldn’t that be DHS in this case?
And until the donald no longer holds sway over the majority of Republicans, making him the de facto leader of the GOP, and/or he is locked up (mentally or criminally or a combo of both) he is then the main influencer and will be discussed. You people are afraid to do anything that would make you look untrumpy in anyway. You finally have a role model you can dream about don’t deny that now! Lol!
Hüsker Dü
DA
Only predetermined because we all saw what happened except you deniers. trump is good at plausible deniability, another thing he learned from his consiglieri.
Desert Hound
DA
If the facts were so obvious there would be no need to deny the other party representation on the committee.
I find it amazing that you and espola like clearly partisan hearings.
In the end it wont move the needle.
People are concerned about the economy. Your Prez and your party are doing a terrible job. The election in Nov is going to be ugly for the Ds.
This is what people are concerned about. Not the dog and pony committee stuff you like.
any idea what took place in the recent GA Governor primaries ?
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SILVER ELITE
you def have TDS. The donald can go to jail, many won't care, he's one person. That will play out through court proceedings, where it should. Somewhat an american thing, don't you think?
sounds you are fine with intentionl negligence of government organizations. And if it wasn't negligence, then that's worse. I hear many lies were told yesterday during the made for tv series. Scripts are really easy to follow, lines can be rehearsted. Kinda weird to see soviet style hearings broadcasted on live tv on US soil...very weird. good thing most people don't care. Hockey and nations league is much more entertaining.
Hüsker Dü
DA
So you are afraid we can’t chew gum and walk? Is because trying to do do gives you trouble?
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SILVER ELITE
what makes you think they can walk and chew gum? I wasn't aware of they hyper efficiency demonstrated by the current members of congress.
Desert Hound
DA
I find it fascinating that people like you are so partisan in nature that they think a committee formed by the Ds that didnt allow the Rs to place their own members is the proper way to conduct hearings.
To the vast majority of people it is obvious with that set up, the results are rigged, and the outcome is pure political propaganda.
Hüsker Dü
DA
You are stuck on that idea it seems. There is Cheney and Kinzinger, beyond that McCarthy pulled his five appointees from sitting on the panel. They were all flamethrowers bent on destroying the truth not seeking it. Your complaint is with McCarthy for his disingenuous actions.
Desert Hound
DA
Your partisan memory fails you.
The Rs as per the rules went to sit the members they wanted on the committee. Pelosi and the Ds disallowed that. Both sides are supposed to seat whom they want. Since the Ds decided not to do what is traditionally done, The Rs refused to play along.
Pelosi then appointed a couple of T haters from the R side who will not be elected again this cycle. One is going to MSNBC, the other will lose up in Wyoming.
You and espola are trying to defend the indefensible in terms of how the committee was put together. And then at the same time wait with baited breath for your spoon feed political propaganda coming from the committee.
It is a farce. Outside of the rabidly partisan left like you, the country doesn't care. You like to pretend that somehow it was an insurrection and that the country was on the brink of some coup. Completely laughable.
Rules are rules unless it comes to the Democrats...Democrats changed the rules regarding judicial appointments:
You remember right? How'd that work out ?
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This story is from 2018...
On Nov. 21, 2013, Senate Democrats exercised the so-called “nuclear option” to abolish the filibusters of nominations they had pioneered a decade earlier.
This is a story of how their best-laid plans went awry.
Senate Democrats started planning a hostile takeover of the judicial appointment process in 2001. Just days after President George W. Bush took office, Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said they would use “whatever means necessary” to fight his judicial nominees. At a May retreat in Florida, that vow became a strategy to, as the New York Times described it at the time, “change the ground rules” of the confirmation process.
Unlike the House, which prioritizes action and does everything by simple majority, the Senate emphasizes deliberation and first requires a supermajority to end debate, or invoke cloture. A filibuster occurs when an attempt to end debate fails — Rule 22 today requires 60 votes.
While the filibuster became part of the legislative process in the early 1800s, it did not become part of the confirmation process until after Republicans captured the Senate in 2002. In just 16 months, from March 2003 to July 2004, Democrats forced the Senate to take 20 cloture votes on 10 different nominees to the U.S. Court of Appeals. Every one of those attempts to end debate failed.
Democrats once again took over the Senate majority in 2006, and President Barack Obama was elected two years later. For the first time in a dozen years, they controlled the entire judicial appointment process. After 2010, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, however, did not support key parts of Obama’s political agenda. Obama decided that if he couldn’t enact his agenda, he would impose it by executive branch bureaucrats issuing regulations and sympathetic judges approving them when challenged in court. But there was a wrinkle.
By the end of 2013, the primary court for reviewing agency regulations, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, had four Republican-appointed judges, four Democrat-appointed judges, and three vacancies. Republicans followed the Democrats’ playbook, using the filibuster to block four Obama nominees to that court.
The solution seemed simple: Democrats had to abolish the very nomination filibusters they had used so aggressively just a decade earlier. But it would take 67 votes to directly amend Rule 22 so it no longer required “three-fifths of the senators duly chosen and sworn” to invoke cloture.
On Nov. 21, 2013, Senate Democrats deployed the “nuclear option,” so named because of its explosive impact on Senate rules and traditions. They voted 52-48 to reinterpret the words “three-fifths” in Rule 22 to mean “simple majority.” As Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, would later explain, 52 senators made 60 equal 51.
Democrats got what they wanted when Obama quickly filled those three D.C. Circuit vacancies. In 2014, the Senate confirmed 89 judges, twice the annual average and the third-highest annual total in history.
But, as they say, be careful what you wish for. Republicans re-captured the judicial appointment process by winning the Senate in 2014 and the White House two years later. In April 2017, they used the same nuclear option to prohibit filibusters of the one position left alone by Democrats: the Supreme Court. As a result, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh will be serving for decades to come, and President Trump may be able to appoint another justice in the next two years.
Trump’s judicial nominees have been opposed more strongly than any in history. Three times as many of his judicial nominees have received negative confirmation votes than the previous five presidents combined at this point. Twenty-five of his 29 appointees to the U.S. Court of Appeals (a record in a new president’s first two years) received more than 40 negative votes. That would have been enough in the pre-nuclear option days to prevent their confirmation by filibuster.
The fight over the role that judges should play in our system of government is monumentally important. Rather than be worthy combatants in that fight, presenting and defending their activist vision for the judiciary, Democrats changed the rules to rig the fight.
As Dr. Phil often says: How’s that working for you?
This piece originally appeared in The Washington Examiner
5 Years After Going Nuclear, Democrats Have Reaped What They Sowed
Wednesday is the fifth anniversary of an event that is still changing the course of Senate and judicial history. On Nov. 21, 2013, Senate Democrats exercised the so-called “nuclear option” to abolish the filibusters of nominations they had pioneered a decade earlier. This is a story of how their...
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SILVER ELITE
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It is a farce. Outside of the rabidly partisan left like you, the country doesn't care. You like to pretend that somehow it was an insurrection and that the country was on the brink of some coup. Completely laughable.
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about 20M people tuned in...an absolute yawn. I suppose at the end of the day, you can't simply say that JAN 6 was a bad day - you have to pretend that the republic itself was on the brink of extinction - Tanks at the steps of the capitol building and helicopters flying over head waiting to carry off the VP once his dr. evil duties had concluded. On top of that, ours (yours) tax payer dollars are being expended on a Reality TV show grade production. Since when do lawmakers use teleprompters in committee. You can't make this up. Hopefully congress coordinated with the NBA to deconflict their schedules..
It is a farce. Outside of the rabidly partisan left like you, the country doesn't care. You like to pretend that somehow it was an insurrection and that the country was on the brink of some coup. Completely laughable.
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about 20M people tuned in...an absolute yawn. I suppose at the end of the day, you can't simply say that JAN 6 was a bad day - you have to pretend that the republic itself was on the brink of extinction - Tanks at the steps of the capitol building and helicopters flying over head waiting to carry off the VP once his dr. evil duties had concluded. On top of that, ours (yours) tax payer dollars are being expended on a Reality TV show grade production. Since when do lawmakers use teleprompters in committee. You can't make this up. Hopefully congress coordinated with the NBA to deconflict their schedules..
"Tanks on the steps of the capitol building"? Do you have pictures?
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SILVER ELITE
uhhh, what?
Some folks have difficulty with sarcasm and/or satire....
Desert Hound
DA
And understanding the concept of a predetermined outcome.
Ds thinking....went something like this.
- need to get T
- lets do a hearing
- we cannot have anyone actually question what we are doing right?
- yep
-so lets make sure we disallow anyone the Rs want to put on the committee
-wont that seem overly partisan?
-hmmm your right. Lets pick 2 Rs that hate T and will fit in will with the Ds
-oh...and lets hire a TV producer to make sure this all looks good.
- what if some of us forget stuff?
- no worries we have telepromters for you all to read from.
And the above in a nutshell is how the dog and pony show was set up.
There are a few problems though.
- most don't care
- most realize it is purely political
- almost everyone is very concerned about the economy, inflation, crime. You know...important things the the Ds and the Prez have completely blown.
But for the diehards...they cannot wait to get spoonfed their propaganda. Espola and Husker were sure the first impeachment would work. Then even more convinced the 2nd attempt would work. They dont learn...and so now are banking on this.