I noticed not even a Pandemic could take down Pay to Play...

Soccerhelper said:
Hey MacDre, take over bro. I'm done with all this. You were gone for a while and said no more but I see your back. Addiction? I'm going cold turkey today bro.
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No, I’m done too. Not really an addiction. This forum just kinda reminds me of being 12yrs old playing sand lot ball and arguing and debating with other kids. Being an adult all the time is overrated and boring homie.
 
A lot of kids and parents are living a life they weren't accustomed too.

Before the pandemic it seems we were running everywhere all day. School, work, homework, practice then some lousy fast food dinner.

With so much time with kids and family at home people are discovering a different life. Several families I know are now rethinking if club soccer and the commitment it requires was worth it.
 
dad4 said:
For the 100,000 or so kids who are chasing D1 NCAA money, sure.

But that’s a tiny fraction of the total kids who play club soccer. U-Little bronze/copper parents are not looking for information about about scholarships, they just want their kid to play. And there are more kids in U-Little bronze/copper than all the letter leagues put together.

Ultimately, I think tiered AYSO will give club a challenge in the copper-silver range for u6-u14. If they can actually bring themselves to do it, that is.
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This goes right back to the argument that there are choices for people/kids/families at all levels and you can pay/invest as much as you want for Johnny/Sally depending on what you are looking for. There are options for all levels of play.

MacDre said:
Sounds like your kid has been involved with great teams. Nothing is free but I think a business should provide value. I don’t see much value being provided by club soccer. Club soccer kinds disgusts me because it’s a vehicle for privilege kids to buy their way into schools that they aren’t otherwise qualified to get into.

I also believe that it takes a village to raise a child. Some kids have bad parents and I feel privileged folks like you and I should be just as concerned with helping the disenfranchised as getting our kids into Stanford.
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I agree with you...the value has to justify the cost and everybody has their own set of circumstances/variables to determine that. If the value is not there for you, don’t do it.

I’d argue sports are a way for athletes in general to get into schools they probably would not get into otherwise. Like many athletes - Football, BBall, Baseball, etc. But isn’t that the the same for kids that have talents in other areas - singing, instruments, robotics, etc. I don’t buy it’s all about privileged kids. On every team we have been on there is a pretty decent mix of family income levels from what I can tell...maybe that’s just been our situation.

On the Women’s side the US is still dominating....going for the three peat in a couple of years. The model in place, while not not perfect and can use some improvement, up to this point has produced a quality National Team product and results. I think every person on the Team/Pool worked their ass off to get there and that it has much more to do with talent, drive, and commitment rather than privilege.

As far as helping others, yes, we could all do more. As far as Stanford goes...she can spell it, and she might have better odds at Lotto.
 
Eagle33 said:
I hear Cal South requires now travel papers for going out of state to play a tournament. Is this true?
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I told some on here someone(s) is 100% against soccer. I know what's up but I'll keep it to myself. Like i said, boarder check points will soon be put up to check papers and temp and see what your bringing back from AZ besides fruit. This is the future everyone. Ask Grace. Let me say this as I part ways with spies and lies and all that crap. I know now what I didnt know before and it's not good everyone. It's just what were stuck with. I sure want peace to win and I know peace will win, I just dont know when peace will win. The real reason I have to leave is I have no more time to Help with soccer. Both of my in laws have Alzheimer's and they need our help. Another retirement plan lie out the window.
 
Soccerhelper said:
I told some on here someone(s) is 100% against soccer. I know what's up but I'll keep it to myself. Like i said, boarder check points will soon be put up to check papers and temp and see what your bringing back from AZ besides fruit. This is the future everyone. Ask Grace. Let me say this as I part ways with spies and lies and all that crap. I know now what I didnt know before and it's not good everyone. It's just what were stuck with. I sure want peace to win and I know peace will win, I just dont know when peace will win. The real reason I have to leave is I have no more time to Help with soccer. Both of my in laws have Alzheimer's and they need our help. Another retirement plan lie out the window.
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That’s tough news about your in-laws!
 
Eagle33 said:
I hear Cal South requires now travel papers for going out of state to play a tournament. Is this true?
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Rule 2.14 - the oldest rule in the book.

2.14. Permission to Travel (USYSA Rule 401)
Teams wishing to travel out of state or out of the country to play games must request and
obtain permission from Cal South in accordance with the procedures detailed in the Travel
and Tournament Manual.

I couldn't find the "Travel and Tournament Manual".
 
Soccerhelper said:
I told some on here someone(s) is 100% against soccer. I know what's up but I'll keep it to myself. Like i said, boarder check points will soon be put up to check papers and temp and see what your bringing back from AZ besides fruit. This is the future everyone. Ask Grace. Let me say this as I part ways with spies and lies and all that crap. I know now what I didnt know before and it's not good everyone. It's just what were stuck with. I sure want peace to win and I know peace will win, I just dont know when peace will win. The real reason I have to leave is I have no more time to Help with soccer. Both of my in laws have Alzheimer's and they need our help. Another retirement plan lie out the window.
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Yea... yea...

Now that Big10, Big12, ACC and SEC are playing ball PAC12 will soon be joining. Can't leave that money on the table. This will all be over soon. When the State University are playing they will release the serfs to play.
 
Soccerhelper said:
I told some on here someone(s) is 100% against soccer. I know what's up but I'll keep it to myself. Like i said, boarder check points will soon be put up to check papers and temp and see what your bringing back from AZ besides fruit. This is the future everyone. Ask Grace. Let me say this as I part ways with spies and lies and all that crap. I know now what I didnt know before and it's not good everyone. It's just what were stuck with. I sure want peace to win and I know peace will win, I just dont know when peace will win. The real reason I have to leave is I have no more time to Help with soccer. Both of my in laws have Alzheimer's and they need our help. Another retirement plan lie out the window.
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"excuse me sir, is that a soccer ball in your trunk?" "you need to turn your vehicle off and place your keys slowly on the cars roof and exit the vehicle"
 
Chalklines said:
"excuse me sir, is that a soccer ball in your trunk?" "you need to turn your vehicle off and place your keys slowly on the cars roof and exit the vehicle"
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Officer of compliance : "where you been sir?"
Me: ah ah ah at reach 11.....
Officer: Step out of your vehicle
Officer: Headquarters, please send contact tracer and look at his phone and see where he's been hiding.
Me: But I feel find and eat super hea.........
Officer: You have the right........


Me right now: Oh boy, that was just a dream from my noon time nap,
 
Woobie06 said:
This goes right back to the argument that there are choices for people/kids/families at all levels and you can pay/invest as much as you want for Johnny/Sally depending on what you are looking for. There are options for all levels of play.



I agree with you...the value has to justify the cost and everybody has their own set of circumstances/variables to determine that. If the value is not there for you, don’t do it.

I’d argue sports are a way for athletes in general to get into schools they probably would not get into otherwise. Like many athletes - Football, BBall, Baseball, etc. But isn’t that the the same for kids that have talents in other areas - singing, instruments, robotics, etc. I don’t buy it’s all about privileged kids. On every team we have been on there is a pretty decent mix of family income levels from what I can tell...maybe that’s just been our situation.

On the Women’s side the US is still dominating....going for the three peat in a couple of years. The model in place, while not not perfect and can use some improvement, up to this point has produced a quality National Team product and results. I think every person on the Team/Pool worked their ass off to get there and that it has much more to do with talent, drive, and commitment rather than privilege.

As far as helping others, yes, we could all do more. As far as Stanford goes...she can spell it, and she might have better odds at Lotto.
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The benefit/value of club soccer is that it helps privileged kids get into universities they aren’t otherwise qualified for. Most openly admit they have no professional aspirations. Why not just play AYSO and join the local 4H club? Again, no professional aspirations so shouldn’t the focus be on academics? Or are you arguing that privileged kids with no professional aspirations are entitled to go to college and pretend to be professionals while focusing on academics? Please clarify.

I think the US women have done a great job so far because women have more opportunities in our great nation than they do in other countries. We need to make some adjustments however to continue having the same type success in the future. I don’t doubt that the privileged young ladies in the US pool are hard working. I have an extremely hard working privileged kid. But, I don’t think our pool should consist of all privileged kids. Soccer will greatly benefit by being more inclusive.

One more thing, if a kid is on your daughters team asking for assistance that’s not poor/needy enough for me. I’m talking about kids that would have to be reached through an after school program who’s parents are too busy or just don’t care.
 
MacDre said:
The benefit/value of club soccer is that it helps privileged kids get into universities they aren’t otherwise qualified for.
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What's to say that they're not qualified? By what standard? I just googled UCLA's admission percentage, which is allegedly 12%. Kids with outstanding resumes and backgrounds get rejected from top-notch universities all the time. How many of the rejected 88% would have done just fine and graduated successfully had they been given the chance?
 
myself said:
What's to say that they're not qualified? By what standard? I just googled UCLA's admission percentage, which is allegedly 12%. Kids with outstanding resumes and backgrounds get rejected from top-notch universities all the time. How many of the rejected 88% would have done just fine and graduated successfully had they been given the chance?
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They are not qualified because they have to pay money in order to distinguish themselves to be selected for admission. Maybe they can get into Long Beach State if they aren’t in the 12% that get into UCLA. Cream rises...right?

I also think many of the rejected %88 would have done well at UCLA. But hell, it’s UCLA and everybody can’t get in!
 
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