I noticed not even a Pandemic could take down Pay to Play...

Yeah, yeah. I'll remember to give 110% and win one for the Gipper, too. After all, there is no "I" in team. Besides, good defense always beats good offense, and vice versa.

Are we done with sports platitudes and ready to return to the real world? The world where dinner costs money, you need a car to drive places, and homework has to get done?
I think another question is going to be this-- will the pay to play system work when 90% of the scholarship opportunities that currently exist disappear? The financial fallout on colleges is going to be devastating, even for the power 5. The conferences outside the power five will not have the resources to fund women's soccer as we currently understand it. How many people will continue paying club fees if there are no scholarships?
 
How many people will continue paying club fees if there are no scholarships?

If, as a parent, you do not have a backup plan for your kid -- learn your computer science, kids -- then you need a backup plan, immediately. Getting your kid into college on an athletic scholarship is already a crapshoot and now it's going to be 100x worse. Maybe instead of kicking the ball around four times a week, you spend one of those times working with your kid on writing some code.
 
Pay to play has gotten a little worse.
Sure - some non "elite" (ECNL, DA, etc) would travel for a tournament once in a while. But now you have 3rd teams travelling to play tournaments 6.5 hours away. Taking time off of school to travel to AZ or UT. Or you have HS aged players travelling but no college scouts around.
We should be getting back to more localized play. I'll stay out of the political side of things - But no way should anyone be travelling more than an hour just to play a soccer game right now.

Imagine you just drove 6+ hours and your kid gets a fever on the car ride. If you tell your team - the team probably has to forfeit all games.
Imagine the world was going to end Oct 31st. I say go play the game before no more games.
 
Yeah, yeah. I'll remember to give 110% and win one for the Gipper, too. After all, there is no "I" in team. Besides, good defense always beats good offense, and vice versa.

Are we done with sports platitudes and ready to return to the real world? The world where dinner costs money, you need a car to drive places, and homework has to get done?
Yea.. next time you are at practice or a tournament look around. Count the number of Escalades, Teslas, Volvos and Benzes in the parking lot vs 10yr old Camrys and F150s. Club soccer is not a working man's sport here it's upper middle class. When you say "peer group" that is who you mean. You can take an average athlete and with enough training and effort they will beat the natural but give the same resources to the natural and its not close. As far as who pays for it.. in both South America and Europe it is a combination of the government and the clubs. The government or club provides the fields and the clubs recruit good players and don't charge to develop them as they make the money when they sell. Hopefully the new MLSNEXT program finally does that for the boys here. Don't think there is enough money in NWSL here to subsidize the girls.
 
If, as a parent, you do not have a backup plan for your kid -- learn your computer science, kids -- then you need a backup plan, immediately. Getting your kid into college on an athletic scholarship is already a crapshoot and now it's going to be 100x worse. Maybe instead of kicking the ball around four times a week, you spend one of those times working with your kid on writing some code.
counting on a soccer scholarship to fund a college education is not far off from buying lotto scratchers to fund it.
 
A good argument against pay to play is there’s a lot of kids that fall through the cracks because their family doesn’t have the wealth or flexibility with work to support their joining a travel team. In OC you have a lot of potential athletes that start out in rec soccer and drop out. Yeah, some are recruited and get a free ride via scholarships. But most, absolutely not. Meanwhile, on the other side of the street, little Mia goes straight to the baby Blues, pays for years of private training, has the family support and a head start to see whether she’s got enough talent to stay with the rest of the girls. The girl with two seasons of rec dropped out to do something else because she was not developed to the point where her potential could be seen. She missed out. The competition missed out on facing her. The National teams ultimately missed out.
Ok, I hear this argument again and again: Some talented kids fall through the cracks because their parents can't pay/afford.
The question is who will pay for those kids? Do you have a suggestion/solution?
I only know one great example:
Sheriffs Fútbol Club, Soccer, California - 100% Cost-free club in undeserved communities but, of course, it's not enough to cover all kids.
 
Ok, I hear this argument again and again: Some talented kids fall through the cracks because their parents can't pay/afford.
The question is who will pay for those kids? Do you have a suggestion/solution?
I only know one great example:
Sheriffs Fútbol Club, Soccer, California - 100% Cost-free club in undeserved communities but, of course, it's not enough to cover all kids.
Is that Sheriffs Joe's Academy? I know the purpose for the GDA was to be a fully funded operation. Only a few clubs offered freebies in soccer. The best players should never have to pay imo.
 
Yea.. next time you are at practice or a tournament look around. Count the number of Escalades, Teslas, Volvos and Benzes in the parking lot vs 10yr old Camrys and F150s. Club soccer is not a working man's sport here it's upper middle class. When you say "peer group" that is who you mean. You can take an average athlete and with enough training and effort they will beat the natural but give the same resources to the natural and its not close. As far as who pays for it.. in both South America and Europe it is a combination of the government and the clubs. The government or club provides the fields and the clubs recruit good players and don't charge to develop them as they make the money when they sell. Hopefully the new MLSNEXT program finally does that for the boys here. Don't think there is enough money in NWSL here to subsidize the girls.
Baby Blues teams have been using a small nearby park where usually rec teams can be found (except for this year). It’s a parade of Escalades and Full size Luxury SUVs!
 
If, as a parent, you do not have a backup plan for your kid -- learn your computer science, kids -- then you need a backup plan, immediately. Getting your kid into college on an athletic scholarship is already a crapshoot and now it's going to be 100x worse. Maybe instead of kicking the ball around four times a week, you spend one of those times working with your kid on writing some code.
Why is the assumption here that every family who pays $$$ for their kids to play soccer only counting on a soccer scholarship to fund a college education? On my son team I'd say 80% of players are very good students. I think if not 100% parents but 95% understand that chances to get soccer scholarship is between 0.001 to 0.5. I pay because I see my son loves soccer and can compete on high level. He asks me to drive him 30-40 minutes before practice starts. So, I pay while I can.
 
Is that Sheriffs Joe's Academy? I know the purpose for the GDA was to be a fully funded operation. Only a few clubs offered freebies in soccer. The best players should never have to pay imo.
Agree with best players should never have to pay.
The question is who should pay? The government, non-profit org, some corporate, taxing the neighborhood where the club is located, your neighbor? Who?
 
IMV, on the boys side, if you are in an elite program and paying, then your kid is very unlikely to make it and while good, is really there to pay for the kids who are playing for free on your team, who the coaches do think will make it.
 
Agree with best players should never have to pay.
The question is who should pay? The government, non-profit org, some corporate, taxing the neighborhood where the club is located, your neighbor? Who?
We need a pyramid of success in soccer. I wont hash out the last three years, but we truly need a top tier system that has no politics. Identify the best of the best and then the rest can play for college or some can play college and job pro later. Nothing wrong with that.
 
We need a pyramid of success in soccer. I wont hash out the last three years, but we truly need a top tier system that has no politics. Identify the best of the best and then the rest can play for college or some can play college and job pro later. Nothing wrong with that.
Ha... good concept but if we can't even do that with college admissions you think soccer has a chance?
 
IMV, on the boys side, if you are in an elite program and paying, then your kid is very unlikely to make it and while good, is really there to pay for the kids who are playing for free on your team, who the coaches do think will make it.
Sorry, can not agree with your opinion. Yes, in theory, you might partially subsidies some players on your team due the paying your fee in full. But if you think that club makes selection for the team based who can pay and then select a player who can play is totally wrong. It's coming from a notion that reach (what is each) can't play and can't compete. IMV, it's very wrong opinion.
 
What a bunch of crap you just wrote. If she dropped out then she didn't like to play soccer. It wasn't meant to be. You can't force it on kids.
Plenty of kids drop because dad can't take off work to drive to practice. Or because the kid is failing classes and cant afford the time spent in the car to drive 35 min to the field.

Might have nothing to do with what the kid likes.
 
Ha... good concept but if we can't even do that with college admissions you think soccer has a chance?
I actually do think soccer has a chance. Soccer is a beautiful game for all to play. It's just that not all can play at the same level and that should be ok. Let's give soccer a chance to heal the world :)
 
If you opt out of pay to play, say for financial reasons, your kid could still play rec soccer, not necessarily drop out. After a few years, what are the chances they develop as good as Club Kid? No, they’ll be way behind.
 
sure that's a fair statement but then I got back to my point. Where there is a will there is a way. 3000 bucks, get yourself an extra part time job and you can save that money over a few months. No excuses, if I couldn't afford it and I believed my daughter had the potential and enthusiasm to want to be part of a top club. I would make it happen. Success in life requires sacrifice.
Or cut back on BS that you dont need. No TV, no this & that. If you want it, go get it is my motto.
 
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