GunScare @ Albion Cup?

timbuck said:
Not sure. I wasn’t implying that they were. But they do sound similar.
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They are not. The affiliate is a Bakersfield club called Central California Aztecs. The Aztecs in the incident is the name of a team. The club the team is associated with is called Inter America and is based in LA.
 
Albion and Azteca both need to take action against their sidelines. Yes, the actions of the teenager started it, but there is no reason for the ENTIRE Albion sideline or Azteca sideline to erupt onto the field. The sidelines should have stayed put and let the parents of the boy and the refs/coaches take care of it. If the sidelines stay under control, then it would have been a very manageable situation. The teenager would have been taken under control and arrested. Refs would have called the game for Albion South because an Azteca Spectator's violent conduct caused the game to end. That would have been the end of it and children from other fields could have peacefully finished their day.

We start having mass chaos and violence when the sidelines choose to erupt. That's not controllable and will cause damage beyond that one initial violent conduct.

Any Sideline that chooses to jump into the field to contribute & significantly escalate the violent situation, regardless of who started what, should be banned for a year.

Albion and Azteca both need to come out and say, "We will not allow the sidelines that created the chaos, fear, and emotional damage to hundreds of children at Galway downs during Albion Cup to view State Cup or view their next season's tournaments and league games. We understand the damage our sideline's actions caused to many children. Regardless of CalSouth or criminal decisions, we will do our best to make to make our Southern California Soccer Family feel more safe. Going forward, any ALBION (or Azteca) sideline, that decides to physically impede on the playing field shall be banned games for no less than one year."

One out of control person can be handled but not a whole sideline. Even if that guy just ran out onto the field and yell gun, he could have been managed by referees, dads or coaches that knock him over and contain him but when there's a whole sideline - it's not possible.

If we want to prevent these problems going forward, we have to let everyone know that it's not a free for all gang fight because one jerk acts up. Let the referees and coaches manage it to prevent escalation.

Clubs, like individuals, need to take responsibility for their own groups, not just wait for Cal South. If your kid steals or gets in a fight, you don't wait for the cops or social workers, you manage it within the family first.

Ziggy's interview was very disappointing because he doesn't accept responsibility for what his sideline's action did to hundreds of children. He used the initial perpetrator to defend his entire sideline's lack of self control. It was not one teenager that caused this incident to get out of control. There will always be fights at soccer games because soccer is a physical and emotional game - that's why we have refs and red cards. The adults on the sidelines shouldn't have used it to escalate the situation and now everyone wants to blame one or two perpetrators. Both sidelines own the responsibility.
 
So here is the point that everyone is missing. The guy who never pulled out the gun after the melay was left to walk back to the parking lot alone with his back pack returned 15 minutes later. He looked very much at ease talking and allowing his back pack to be searched. It was a smart move on his part because by then roads were closed helicopter flying he would have been searched and car searched aswell this is my opinion. This isn't what I heard it's what I saw I was feet away from it all. There was a boy 16 years old who strongly admitted he saw the gun yet did not want to get involved and talk to the police. Another kid I talked to said he saw the butt of the gun in his hand from within the camouflaged bag. How can people say with certainty it was just a verbal threat. As witness to it all I'm more convinced he had a gun then no gun. I doubt the police went to his car to search it or even the path by the bushes he walked by while walking away. He walked away with the camouflaged bag people only to return 15 minutes later you think he went to get a hot dog or use the restroom I'm smarter then that.
 
Lmsa said:
So here is the point that everyone is missing. The guy who never pulled out the gun after the melay was left to walk back to the parking lot alone with his back pack returned 15 minutes later. He looked very much at ease talking and allowing his back pack to be searched. It was a smart move on his part because by then roads were closed helicopter flying he would have been searched and car searched aswell this is my opinion. This isn't what I heard it's what I saw I was feet away from it all. There was a boy 16 years old who strongly admitted he saw the gun yet did not want to get involved and talk to the police. Another kid I talked to said he saw the butt of the gun in his hand from within the camouflaged bag. How can people say with certainty it was just a verbal threat. As witness to it all I'm more convinced he had a gun then no gun. I doubt the police went to his car to search it or even the path by the bushes he walked by while walking away. He walked away with the camouflaged bag people only to return 15 minutes later you think he went to get a hot dog or use the restroom I'm smarter then that.
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This is scary. CCW, off duty police, whatever. Don't bring weapons people!!! Emotions run high at these things and people overreact. Not to mention, mass shootings and such.

Lots of things to consider here, but if I saw a 14 year old boy sucker punch my 10 year old boy while playing soccer on a field in which the 14 year old was not even playing, I would have a hard time staying put. That's 40% older and stronger and who knows if he's using a weapon or what have you. I'm human and when my kid is attacked by someone 40% older, highly doubt I sit there and watch! From what I hear, the Albion crowd was just trying to get the kid who ran and assaulted the athlete away from the victim. I wasn't there, but keeping human reaction real here. It is not logical to think a parent is going to sit and watch their kid get pummeled by an older kid not even playing in the game.

My club demands good sideline etiquette and just about every team we have come across has been pleasant for the most part. Emotions run high and people get loud, but most people remain civil. I'll admit I have not seen this type of violence and aggression at a game, ever. Yellow cards and even red cards will come out. It's why refs. have them. Coaches will dispute calls. Boys will get physical and stand their ground. I like to stick with reality. If the sideline behavior was to the point of insults/threats/etc. , action/discussions etc. should take place. If kids played dirty, the same. I just don't blame passion and support for assault.

What's next? No cheering when your team scores, because the other team's fans gets angry and may assault your kids on the field? No using your body, because a kid may fall and older siblings may run on the field and assault your kid?

I don't know the history of either team or club, but I do know without a doubt that assault is assault and never warranted especially from someone on the sideline. Once assault takes place, people have a right to self defense. Take it from there especially with a 10 year old out muscled by a 14 year old.

If these teams have a history of insulting and threatening teams, refs., etc. then of course, they may need to address sideline behavior. The bottom line remains that there was no stampede or physical altercations pre-breach. Now, verbal threats and insults should not be tolerated and should be addressed, but they do not warrant assault, period!
 
What's probably going to happen is every club and then parents will get lectured as not a one of them assaulted, threatened, or faked a gun. Everybody else has to modify their sidelines and demeanor at soccer games, because one kid and adult from the same team exhibited horrible, violent behavior.
 
I am sure you have, but please tell me you have spoken directly with the detective handling the case.

Lmsa said:
So here is the point that everyone is missing. The guy who never pulled out the gun after the melay was left to walk back to the parking lot alone with his back pack returned 15 minutes later. He looked very much at ease talking and allowing his back pack to be searched. It was a smart move on his part because by then roads were closed helicopter flying he would have been searched and car searched aswell this is my opinion. This isn't what I heard it's what I saw I was feet away from it all. There was a boy 16 years old who strongly admitted he saw the gun yet did not want to get involved and talk to the police. Another kid I talked to said he saw the butt of the gun in his hand from within the camouflaged bag. How can people say with certainty it was just a verbal threat. As witness to it all I'm more convinced he had a gun then no gun. I doubt the police went to his car to search it or even the path by the bushes he walked by while walking away. He walked away with the camouflaged bag people only to return 15 minutes later you think he went to get a hot dog or use the restroom I'm smarter then that.
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Bottom line. Stupid parents that get too heated up with youth sports. These are the same stupid parents that get mad with refs for making a bad call. Life is not just youth soccer people. Get a life and enjoy watching your kids play regardless of the score or fouls in the game.
 
For four days we have been talking in circles about what happened, who is to blame, and what could be done. But the questions I have still aren't answered. Will gun guy be in San Bernardino on Saturday at State Cup games because the team is on the schedule? and Do I have to be prepared with my player and to run from the fields because a game gets heated and someone claims they have a gun? So far it seems like the answers are maybe and yes. It would be nice if Cal South would at least make a statement acknowledging the events. At practices this week I have talked to parents and know there are teams that are not sure they will have enough players to play this weekend because either they play at Galway Downs and kids are scared to go back there a week later, or they play at San Bernardino and parents are scared gun guy will be there and have another lapse of reason.
 
I have the same questions and concerns. Cal South is really showing true colors - they have enough time to post on social media about getting excited about State Cup, but they have yet to say ANYTHING publicly about the incident, not even to acknowledge it.

I can tell you, as someone that was at Galway this past weekend, if we had games at Galway or where either of these teams were playing, we would not be attending.

Distraction said:
For four days we have been talking in circles about what happened, who is to blame, and what could be done. But the questions I have still aren't answered. Will gun guy be in San Bernardino on Saturday at State Cup games because the team is on the schedule? and Do I have to be prepared with my player and to run from the fields because a game gets heated and someone claims they have a gun? So far it seems like the answers are maybe and yes. It would be nice if Cal South would at least make a statement acknowledging the events. At practices this week I have talked to parents and know there are teams that are not sure they will have enough players to play this weekend because either they play at Galway Downs and kids are scared to go back there a week later, or they play at San Bernardino and parents are scared gun guy will be there and have another lapse of reason.
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Distraction said:
For four days we have been talking in circles about what happened, who is to blame, and what could be done. But the questions I have still aren't answered. Will gun guy be in San Bernardino on Saturday at State Cup games because the team is on the schedule? and Do I have to be prepared with my player and to run from the fields because a game gets heated and someone claims they have a gun? So far it seems like the answers are maybe and yes. It would be nice if Cal South would at least make a statement acknowledging the events. At practices this week I have talked to parents and know there are teams that are not sure they will have enough players to play this weekend because either they play at Galway Downs and kids are scared to go back there a week later, or they play at San Bernardino and parents are scared gun guy will be there and have another lapse of reason.
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Is there a field map available for the San Bernardino complex? My dd plays on Saturday at the same times as Gun Guy's team (B2009 Inter-America Azteca) and I would like to know how close we will be to them.
 
Stryprod said:
Must be easy to be a keyboard quarterback when it is not your loved ones under potential threat.

Outside of pulling a gun out, he was doing everything in his power to pretend he had a gun. Why is that so hard to understand?

This individual walked over to grab his bag. Picked it up, unzipped it, stuck his hand in and kept it there as if grabbing/ holding onto something. He then aggressively moved forward, back, side to side for over a minute while those around him said "no, no" and "don't do it, don't do it". He then finally proceeded to flee to the left when someone said gun again and then people were running.

Keep in mind this individual also had time to walk back to the parking lot (or near there) and back for over 5 minutes for being detained. A gun could have just as easily been handed off or dumped.

Any law enforcement officer in this situation would have had firearms drawn and he'd been instructed to drop the bag slowly. Stop pretending it was something else when you were not even there.
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Also, who in their right mind in this day and age pretends to have a gun? He had no idea who else might have a gun, hmmm, why would you act like that if you didn't have a gun? His defense, he was attacked??? He certainly looked put together, calmly walking around, hat in place. A lot of questions that still need to be answered. Who was he with? Who did he talk to on the way to the parking lot. Any video or still pictures need to be turned into law enforcement. Parents from those two teams do not have a good reputation, that being said, this falls on the behavior of the moron who went out on the field and assaulted the player and the man demonstrating a threatening stance as if he had a gun (?). Local law enforcement needs to get their sh-- together and not just brush this aside. A full and thorough investigation needs to be conducted before something really terrible happens. There are now plenty of traumatized children and parents who were there. Thank goodness no child was hit by a car as they were running through the parking lot.
 
Lambchop said:
Also, who in their right mind in this day and age pretends to have a gun? He had no idea who else might have a gun, hmmm, why would you act like that if you didn't have a gun? His defense, he was attacked??? He certainly looked put together, calmly walking around, hat in place. A lot of questions that still need to be answered. Who was he with? Who did he talk to on the way to the parking lot. Any video or still pictures need to be turned into law enforcement. Parents from those two teams do not have a good reputation, that being said, this falls on the behavior of the moron who went out on the field and assaulted the player and the man demonstrating a threatening stance as if he had a gun (?). Local law enforcement needs to get their sh-- together and not just brush this aside. A full and thorough investigation needs to be conducted before something really terrible happens. There are now plenty of traumatized children and parents who were there. Thank goodness no child was hit by a car as they were running through the parking lot.
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Concerned citizens should commence putting pressure on the duly elected Riverside Sheriff to provide answers. We shouldn’t except them sweeping it under the rug either.
 
way up said:
My club demands good sideline etiquette and just about every team we have come across has been pleasant for the most part. Emotions run high and people get loud, but most people remain civil. I'll admit I have not seen this type of violence and aggression at a game, ever. Yellow cards and even red cards will come out. It's why refs. have them. Coaches will dispute calls. Boys will get physical and stand their ground. I like to stick with reality. If the sideline behavior was to the point of insults/threats/etc. , action/discussions etc. should take place. If kids played dirty, the same. I just don't blame passion and support for assault.

What's next? No cheering when your team scores, because the other team's fans gets angry and may assault your kids on the field? No using your body, because a kid may fall and older siblings may run on the field and assault your kid?
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I've worn four hats in soccer. As a baby ref on the side lines, I've had insults hurled at me from coaches, parents and players (including from a coach in a League Cup came where I was just present and helping out because one of the refs didn't show up and for which I didn't get paid). As a parent, I've seen my goalkeeper kid lying on the floor after a save and get kicked repeatedly and the A-hole ref did nothing to protect him or to manage a game where there were several obvious pushing fouls (not just strong shoulder-to-shoulder contact). As a coach, I've seen the crazy win-obsessed parents, the idiotic calls, and the difficulty of the politics in managing those parents. As a writer, I've gotten to objectively to see what's going on with America's sidelines. Yes, I think the majority of referees, parents and coaches do a good job, but the sidelines are out of control and I don't really think that's in doubt considering what I've seen with my own eyes.

There is a smaller problem and the bigger problem. The smaller problem is obvious which is don't bring weapons to soccer and don't run out onto the field and assault a kid. But even for the smaller problem CalSouth seems reluctant to say anything or issue punishment, considering this is the easier of the two situations.

The bigger problem is that the heated sidelines need to be controlled and that requires comprehensive reform. While not the immediate cause of this incident, it directly contributed to it, and incidents like these will continue to occur unless the sidelines are brought more under control. I've written to CalSouth expressing my profound disappointment at their failure to make a statement, along with my suggestions.
 
board of education said:
Concerned citizens should commence putting pressure on the duly elected Riverside Sheriff to provide answers. We shouldn’t except them sweeping it under the rug either.
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The case may be in the hands of the applicable District Attorney, who decides to charge or not charge. To the extend folks put pressure on the Sheriff, that's also a pressure point.
 
way up said:
This is scary. CCW, off duty police, whatever. Don't bring weapons people!!! Emotions run high at these things and people overreact. Not to mention, mass shootings and such.
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My son used to regularly play against a team whose coach was a cop and always had his gun on his hip during games. This used to make me very uncomfortable, especially after I met him and discovered he wasn't the most... rational guy. Thankfully, we're not in that league anymore, but if we were, I'd probably lodge an official complaint.
 
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