I agree with this. Noah and the coach are arrogant and don't get it or also are deflecting. They are big enough to set an example for other clubs. But for people to say the entire team should be made an example of is wrong. Just start to hold all teams to the same stricter standard.
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If a coach got a yellow card, unless the allegation is the ref was being tyrannical and quick to the draw, it doesn't sound like "normal" interactions were going on. But then what's "normal" these days is very broad these days, from the limited youtubes available of the teams both have a history of being verbal on the sidelines, though it is of course possible that not withstanding that they were not being loud with each other (only at the refs and players).
I heard the coach was disputing an offside's call and it was probably intense and the refs were trying to keep control. Yellow and red cards were invented for a reason. I guarantee hes not the only coach to ever get a yellow. Super intense card flying game. Still, not illegal. Assault is though.
Right. Because what is and is not actually criminal should be the standard in youth sports. That is certainly what I look for in coaches for my kids. Are you willing to do anything just this side of criminal? No? Next! Because yelling at referees has such a long history of being effective and changing the call so that coaches team can win. Right? Doesn't that happen all the time at games you watch? In many cases it is little more than a temper tantrum and often not even accurate. "Super intense card flying game." They were 10 years old. Maybe don't sound so gleeful. And your super intense card flying game turned into a thousand people running in fear for their lives. A little more perspective, maybe?
Yes, I like to stick to facts. Cards were thrown. Were there red cards thrown? Yellow is a warning card no? I'm not arguing about choosing a coach or a club. I'm discussing this incident. Not condoning yelling at referees if that's even what happened??
Gleeful?? What on earth are you talking about? I'm discussing the details and reality.
A thousand people fleed for their lives from a guy on the same team as the older kid who assaulted a young athlete on a field playing in a final? Supposedly he was reaching for a gun? Connect the dots sir!
Young 10 year old gets sucker punched by a non-player 4 years older. Another individual fan on the same team as the attacker fakes having a gun our of a backpack. I guess you want me to focus in on a coach getting a yellow card then and provide and excuse for such violent, foul behavior from one team?? Sorry, but getting a yellow card and disputing calls is nowhere near assault or faking a gun.
What is an "accidental exposure"?
Part of the problem with game management is that refs are reluctant to give reds. Small community, expressly discouraged from handing out reds in youngers, comes with paperwork and might actually escalate things instead of deescalate.
I am talking about the environmental context of what happened and I am far more interested in steps forward to create an environmental context for youth sports that is not so conducive to events like this specific event occurring in the future. Nothing can now be done about Sunday and the teenager or the gun guy going to jail is not going to help my kid. As I noted, we know parents on the Albion team in question and they confirm that there are parents on that particular team that are very much a part of the problem and have been so habitually. I was there. My dots are connected. You might want to connect some dots yourself. Or you can instead focus on the precise facts of whose conduct was affirmatively criminal in this instance and then we can all debate precisely who is criminally responsible for what if next time it is your kid hiding in a yard afraid her parents are dead. Until then I am happy to leave to you and others who should be charged with what.
Leave me with this: Did any kids or people stampede out of the complex before the Azteca individual faked having a gun? This seems to be the part you are very focused on and that is most extraordinary. Had this individual not faked having a gun, would your kid and the others panicked and scattered out of the complex?
I'm not looking for opinions or agendas, but I'm focused on the actual event and real causation. The ultimate facts are that there was an assault and a faking of having a gun. Bad game behavior is no excuse for the juvenile, violent, and damaging behavior that ensued after. The same way bars and competing to win have nothing to do with this young man's violent actions. I feel for the kid that was sucker punched by a kid 3 or 4 years older. That was the action that put all of this in motion, period! The rest are excuses.
Please though, correct me if you were there and I'm missing something? I'm putting the story together and don't have an agenda.
Can someone please tell me why team fans are not separated in club soccer like high school football games? Not saying it will solve the issue, but the farther the space and time between, the less friction possible. What am I missing with this? Sports are competitive and things can get heated. Fights break out all over the place. The police are at many high school football games even with home teams separated from away teams. I can see where club soccer is heading, but really just pointing out that fights and scuffles are common at physical sport games. My other point is that there are laws over and above rules of conduct with more serious consequences.
When you are concealed carrying and your firearm inadvertently becomes exposed (no longer concealed).
This could really expand the debate. Oh boy! No weapons should be brought to soccer games. My daughter is 8 and I have not seen this chaos everyone speaks of. I can't relate. We can't even instruct our girls per our club. We are to only be positive and encouraging and not to instruct.
I'm not sure if you read through all the posts or not, but to me it's as easy as pre and post field breech.
Post-breech, and as details have come out, we clearly know which individuals and team by extension are guilty. Azteca should be in deep stuff for that.
Pre-breech, I can tell you no matter what your source says, the sideline and coach behavior towards each other and/or the game officials was extremely poor and contributed towards bringing the situation to a boiling point. Does this mean it's Albion's fault that a kid attacked their player? Of course not! But you cannot ignore factors that played a part and sweep it under the rug.
The only difference between you and I is that you seem to be okay excusing horrible behavior because it's more common than it should be. What a slippery slope that becomes.
Again, there are only rumors as people there pointed to another individual and said he may have had a gun too. Who knows, but what we do know is what has been discussed this far.
Honestly, I'm so tired from this all I just hope the right people do the right thing.
Fair enough. I'm not excusing any bad behavior. Words are words, but assault is assault. I'm distinguishing real causation from emotional causation. We are all responsible for our own actions and some appear to be focusing on the emotional aspects of competitive sports rather than the actual violent act imo. Again though, I wasn't there. Tired of the debate myself. Someone else can judge and fairly decide what to do.
Still though, not a peep about separating teams with the field on the sidelines??? There will always be friction at competitive games. It's not by mistake that there is home and away seating for many high school and college games and they STILL have security. Add young kids and aggressive sports and tensions can flare in a second. It is what it is.
Let's put them right next to each other and then get surprised that tensions flare once in a while!
Separating the parents does no good because someone always thinks they are above the rules and they are usually the ones that are most likely to get out of hand because they are special and thus of
course so is their precious child that how dare that bad ref call a foul on their darling and how dare that punk win a 50/50 ball against tbejr
baby. Refs need to enforce the sides, not only when it becomes problem, managers need to make sure their parents know where ro
sit and other parents need to stop minimizing the bad behavior of other parents of their team.
Too busy "affiliating" to worry about a little mass hysteria.
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Are Azteca and Aztecs the same club? They sound like different clubs to me.Too busy "affiliating" to worry about a little mass hysteria.
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