I’ve loosened my stance to some kids being the exception to the rule but generally kids reflect their parents. I’m not saying your point of view is wrong nor am I saying it’s right. Just because our stance differs doesn’t make it silly, it’s just a difference of opinion. We’re both entitled to it.
GunScare @ Albion Cup?
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There were several Albion officials and/or coaches that came over once the melee broke out to help separate and calm people down. Once the "gun" guy scare occurred, I did not see anyone run towards the action, but we're talking about ~800-1,000 people stampeding.
There was a rumor that a father in the scuffle had an accidental exposure. There was also a rumor that this person was a LEO. Again, these were rumors and I have not heard/seen concrete evidence to support.
You are right that Albion could do little in that moment to stop the teenager from running onto the field and punching a 10 year old or the reaction of the parents to that event or the guy claiming he had a gun. The sideline problems are not confined to Albion or Azteca games and this was bound to happen somewhere. Well, now it has. What I am asking for now is Albion stepping forward as a voice that says sideline conduct is out of control and actually leading an initiative for change. My understanding is that Albion's coach and some of its players had yellows in that game and it was clear that things were getting out of hand. The interview the coach gave indicated that everything was great until the spectator ran on the field. It wasn't. The email that Albion sent on Sunday night noting how wonderful its tournament was, but oh by the way there was a "momentary incident" in connection with a "harmless verbal threat" was as much an "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play" moment as I have ever encountered. Their tournament was ruined. It ended in disaster. People were hiding. Albion should be incensed instead of deflecting and releasing asinine statements and giving tone-deaf interviews on TV. They should be demanding sanctioning authorities and peer clubs say "No more." And they should do it soon because people are getting more and more angry as days are ticking by.
You make my point. You are right that Albion's public statements reveal that they just don't get it. And you have to run pretty far to get to the houses at Galway. Those kids must have been pretty scared to run that far, wouldn't you say?
Did Albion actually release a public statement?
I see nothing on their site post-incident except tryouts lol
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I’ve been reading this thread. What a horrible situation. Unfortunately bad parent behavior at sporting events has been going on for a long time. Here is a story from near where I grew up in MA. One dad beat another to death during hockey practice in front of the kids.
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O.K., so someone reached out to me that says they were at that game. They said there were no, real abnormal interactions between the two sides during the game. It was an intense final with yellow cards though. A 13 or 14 year old boy runs on the field and suckerpunches a 10 year old kid trying to win a final. This is where it all starts according to my source. This is disturbing to me for obvious reasons and the biggest one is the attacker was 3 to 4 years older and bigger. I can't imagine how I would react if that was my kid.
Now, my source says the attacker was an Azteca fan and the victim boy was an albion chula vista player. I then heard that the gun faking individual was also an Azteca fan. The responsible parties all appear to be in The Azteca Club. That is where the liability falls. First to the individuals and parents and then maybe the club if they don't have rules of conduct for parents to abide by. How is this not assault though? He may be a minor, but his parents are liable for his actions. Lawyers and others with agendas will conflate whatever they can in this, but the bottom line is certain individuals acted poorly regardless what some want blame.
More rules and laws won't change much imo. It's competitive sports and fans get riled up and people should be responsible for their own actions not other people or entities unless they condone and/or allow this type of violent behavior. An Albion player was attacked right? You put two, emotional opposing fans right next to each other on a field and you think club rules are going to keep them from being human? I don't get what Albion did at all and if anything, they are victims. What am I missing? They don't need to lead the charge about sideline behavior. Fans get excited and always will
Again, the simple solution is to separate team fans with the field. One side for home and one side for away.
Please correct the record here if you were there and any of this is wrong? I'm just going by what someone told me that claimed to be there.
Maybe the powers that be would rather separate coaches from their own parents rather and force the parents to deal with each other?? I don't know, but I do know that we have laws regardless of club rules and one of them is not to assault other people. If people and/or their children can't follow laws that typically result in big fines/jail time/financial liability, you really think club/tournament rules/policies would be the answer? People should be responsible for their actions.
They sent an email to participating clubs, which I saw.
I agree with this. Noah and the coach are arrogant and don't get it or also are deflecting. They are big enough to set an example for other clubs. But for people to say the entire team should be made an example of is wrong. Just start to hold all teams to the same stricter standard.
If a coach got a yellow card, unless the allegation is the ref was being tyrannical and quick to the draw, it doesn't sound like "normal" interactions were going on. But then what's "normal" these days is very broad these days, from the limited youtubes available of the teams both have a history of being verbal on the sidelines, though it is of course possible that not withstanding that they were not being loud with each other (only at the refs and players).
I heard the coach was disputing an offside's call and it was probably intense and the refs were trying to keep control. Yellow and red cards were invented for a reason. I guarantee hes not the only coach to ever get a yellow. Super intense card flying game. Still, not illegal. Assault is though.
Right. Because what is and is not actually criminal should be the standard in youth sports. That is certainly what I look for in coaches for my kids. Are you willing to do anything just this side of criminal? No? Next! Because yelling at referees has such a long history of being effective and changing the call so that coaches team can win. Right? Doesn't that happen all the time at games you watch? In many cases it is little more than a temper tantrum and often not even accurate. "Super intense card flying game." They were 10 years old. Maybe don't sound so gleeful. And your super intense card flying game turned into a thousand people running in fear for their lives. A little more perspective, maybe?
Yes, I like to stick to facts. Cards were thrown. Were there red cards thrown? Yellow is a warning card no? I'm not arguing about choosing a coach or a club. I'm discussing this incident. Not condoning yelling at referees if that's even what happened??
Gleeful?? What on earth are you talking about? I'm discussing the details and reality.
A thousand people fleed for their lives from a guy on the same team as the older kid who assaulted a young athlete on a field playing in a final? Supposedly he was reaching for a gun? Connect the dots sir!
Young 10 year old gets sucker punched by a non-player 4 years older. Another individual fan on the same team as the attacker fakes having a gun our of a backpack. I guess you want me to focus in on a coach getting a yellow card then and provide and excuse for such violent, foul behavior from one team?? Sorry, but getting a yellow card and disputing calls is nowhere near assault or faking a gun.
What is an "accidental exposure"?
Part of the problem with game management is that refs are reluctant to give reds. Small community, expressly discouraged from handing out reds in youngers, comes with paperwork and might actually escalate things instead of deescalate.
I am talking about the environmental context of what happened and I am far more interested in steps forward to create an environmental context for youth sports that is not so conducive to events like this specific event occurring in the future. Nothing can now be done about Sunday and the teenager or the gun guy going to jail is not going to help my kid. As I noted, we know parents on the Albion team in question and they confirm that there are parents on that particular team that are very much a part of the problem and have been so habitually. I was there. My dots are connected. You might want to connect some dots yourself. Or you can instead focus on the precise facts of whose conduct was affirmatively criminal in this instance and then we can all debate precisely who is criminally responsible for what if next time it is your kid hiding in a yard afraid her parents are dead. Until then I am happy to leave to you and others who should be charged with what.
Leave me with this: Did any kids or people stampede out of the complex before the Azteca individual faked having a gun? This seems to be the part you are very focused on and that is most extraordinary. Had this individual not faked having a gun, would your kid and the others panicked and scattered out of the complex?
I'm not looking for opinions or agendas, but I'm focused on the actual event and real causation. The ultimate facts are that there was an assault and a faking of having a gun. Bad game behavior is no excuse for the juvenile, violent, and damaging behavior that ensued after. The same way bars and competing to win have nothing to do with this young man's violent actions. I feel for the kid that was sucker punched by a kid 3 or 4 years older. That was the action that put all of this in motion, period! The rest are excuses.
Please though, correct me if you were there and I'm missing something? I'm putting the story together and don't have an agenda.
Can someone please tell me why team fans are not separated in club soccer like high school football games? Not saying it will solve the issue, but the farther the space and time between, the less friction possible. What am I missing with this? Sports are competitive and things can get heated. Fights break out all over the place. The police are at many high school football games even with home teams separated from away teams. I can see where club soccer is heading, but really just pointing out that fights and scuffles are common at physical sport games. My other point is that there are laws over and above rules of conduct with more serious consequences.