NoGoal
DA
She had a good year. Thanks for asking. She was coming back from an injury, but has recovered nicely and playing well.
Is your DD playing HS next year or going all in with Girls DA?
Girls Development Academy
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She had a good year. Thanks for asking. She was coming back from an injury, but has recovered nicely and playing well.
Is your DD playing HS next year or going all in with Girls DA?
Sheriff Joe
DA
Sheriff Joe
DA
Sheriff Joe
DA
Cool, mine missed 4 or 5 months last year with injuries. We will see where she lands after the season ends, she really wants to play HS though.
Sheriff Joe
DA
MAP, you are my new friend, I am going to be extra nice to you. Who knows, you and I might end up together, forever.
Anomaly
SILVER
I am going to refer back to page 91 where people were discussing DP's, just to clear up some confusion and possibly be corrected if I am wrong.
DP's in ECNL and DA are different. In ECNL, it is a Discovery Player. The team can have up to 2, they don't need to live a certain amount of miles within the team, doesn't need to practice with the team*, etc.
In the DA, a DP is a Developmental Player. A team can have up to 10 of them, can only play a certain amount of games with the team, comes within the same club, obiovusly has to attend the club's practices, etc.
So the DA clubs are exclusive to those living within the designated area, whereas ECNL players could DP where they please. Last season, a lot of Vegas kids DP'd with teams out of state. In the DA, this won't be possible as all players have to be live in the vicinity.
As discussed, US Soccer awarded DA to areas deemed fit. It makes sense to load the SoCal area with DA teams and not give one to NV, NM, etc. However, I agree with Pooka in that the top talent of these areas shouldn't be ignored and that the cream of the crop won't necessarily gravitate towards DA teams, in both the younger and older ages.
This opens a new topic of discussion. Boys' DA teams have residencies and host families to bring in out-of-state players and allow them to play DA. There were two from the boys' side of my DD's club that have done this, one at a resedential academy and the other with a host family. Several other boys from other clubs have also gone down that route and stay with host families.
Will some of DA teams on the girls' side offer this as well? Will the DA be an option for the kids that don't live in the area? Parents already sacrifice enough to allow their kids to play club soccer. There would be a very, very small percentage of parents that would move their family out of state just to play DA. However, is residency or host families become an option, will the top girls' talent in neighboring states move in with a host family to play at what is being argued as the next top level of competition for girls' soccer? There's no doubt SoCal, along with some other areas (Texas, some east coast states, etc.), are already loaded with top talent. But some of their top talent won't opt for DA. It will be interesting to see if the Girls' side does begin to mimic the Boys', in that players and parents that live in neighboring states will sacrifice even more and allow their kids to move just to play soccer.
At the end of the day, what makes your kid happy is the priority (and what is feasible for your wallet) as I stated in a separate thread.
*I believe in the old forum, it was discussed that DP's would have to make half the practices or something like that, but I didn't include it because there was no true way for that to be enforced.
DP's in ECNL and DA are different. In ECNL, it is a Discovery Player. The team can have up to 2, they don't need to live a certain amount of miles within the team, doesn't need to practice with the team*, etc.
In the DA, a DP is a Developmental Player. A team can have up to 10 of them, can only play a certain amount of games with the team, comes within the same club, obiovusly has to attend the club's practices, etc.
So the DA clubs are exclusive to those living within the designated area, whereas ECNL players could DP where they please. Last season, a lot of Vegas kids DP'd with teams out of state. In the DA, this won't be possible as all players have to be live in the vicinity.
As discussed, US Soccer awarded DA to areas deemed fit. It makes sense to load the SoCal area with DA teams and not give one to NV, NM, etc. However, I agree with Pooka in that the top talent of these areas shouldn't be ignored and that the cream of the crop won't necessarily gravitate towards DA teams, in both the younger and older ages.
This opens a new topic of discussion. Boys' DA teams have residencies and host families to bring in out-of-state players and allow them to play DA. There were two from the boys' side of my DD's club that have done this, one at a resedential academy and the other with a host family. Several other boys from other clubs have also gone down that route and stay with host families.
Will some of DA teams on the girls' side offer this as well? Will the DA be an option for the kids that don't live in the area? Parents already sacrifice enough to allow their kids to play club soccer. There would be a very, very small percentage of parents that would move their family out of state just to play DA. However, is residency or host families become an option, will the top girls' talent in neighboring states move in with a host family to play at what is being argued as the next top level of competition for girls' soccer? There's no doubt SoCal, along with some other areas (Texas, some east coast states, etc.), are already loaded with top talent. But some of their top talent won't opt for DA. It will be interesting to see if the Girls' side does begin to mimic the Boys', in that players and parents that live in neighboring states will sacrifice even more and allow their kids to move just to play soccer.
At the end of the day, what makes your kid happy is the priority (and what is feasible for your wallet) as I stated in a separate thread.
*I believe in the old forum, it was discussed that DP's would have to make half the practices or something like that, but I didn't include it because there was no true way for that to be enforced.
ESPNANALYST
SILVER ELITE
US soccer ended their residency program for boys at IMG last Friday.
Specifically they stated that with the DA in place it is accomplishing the goals that the residential academy had.
I would love to meet the person who wanted a residential or out of state option for their daughter. With no livable wage at the pros what a horrible future. Not sugar coating it.
Education education education!
Specifically they stated that with the DA in place it is accomplishing the goals that the residential academy had.
I would love to meet the person who wanted a residential or out of state option for their daughter. With no livable wage at the pros what a horrible future. Not sugar coating it.
Education education education!
Anomaly
SILVER
Sorry, I didn't specify. I'm not talking about the national team residency, but residencies offered in Casa Grande (RSL Academy), LA Galaxy residency, and I'm sure some other MLS-affiliated DA clubs have it also.
ESPNANALYST
SILVER ELITE
Casa Grande and the LAG one have always intrigued me but again the boys are very different! I know several who attended the Dominguez Hills one and then went on to a UC FULLY paid for and now play MLS. Their salaries range from 59k to 180k a year and both are sponsored. They truly at 24-25 would like to move past MLS.
I would be shocked if they offered this for girls and even more shocked if girls actually attended this.
Anomaly
SILVER
I think it's an interesting dynamic if offered on the Girls' side, but I agree that, at least right now, it wouldn't fare as well as it does on the Boys' side.
However, to play at the "top" level, some may consider allowing their kids to stay at least with a host family and attend school out of state. It depends on how people view the future and fate of the Girls' DA I guess.
ESPNANALYST
SILVER ELITE
Agree. I know three families that have opted out of Club entirely and work with a private trainer and also an agility formal program. They also homeschool. These are three girls who WILL be on a YNT list. Coaches know them parents don't.
Then we all know the most special of all- the 05 who plays Boys DA. Homeschooled I believe. Already visiting colleges. Our very own OM. Again hays an example of a special player.
My point with this the kids who will be wearing the crest one day are already putting in these hoirs, trainings, nutrition etc. They are not relying on a club or a coach- they are putting in the work themselves. Can a residential facility help them- yes probably but the majority of us don't have that special player and I would be happy if my DD could avoid Snapchat for a day. I would probably stroke out if she came to me with nutritional guidelines for post recovery.
Dos Equis
GOLD
Does the "M" in "OM" stand for Marinovich?
Opting out of club entirely? No one informed them that soccer is a team sport? Working well with others is actually a benefit?
They will look great in college ID and YNT training camps, where passing the ball is rarely seen nor valued. Then they will get selected to our USWNT, and the public will wonder why our terrific athletes, who have devoted their entire youth to perfecting their individual skills, get their shorts handed to them by teams from France and Japan. U.S. Soccer will blame it on bad habits they developed in college, and encourage all to skip the future impairing practice of getting a college education.
Uh did you read my post? Apparently not.
OM plays Boys DA. So doubtful she will get passed up. She can run circles around pretty much anyone. Sorry sad but true.
As for your other assessment I think there is nothing wrong with focusing on your child's technique and play and speed until 13-14. They played 6-10. They all play futsal with boys. Then you introduce a highly skilled player into a system with a coach you trust. Shock you avoid burnout and overuse injuries. Maybe even she has joy of the game like CM when she came over from Brazil after no formal training?
I believe they are doing just fine.
Again wouldn't expect people on this board to be able to look at anything with fresh eyes or objectivity. It doesn't fit the needs of the herd
OM plays Boys DA. So doubtful she will get passed up. She can run circles around pretty much anyone. Sorry sad but true.
As for your other assessment I think there is nothing wrong with focusing on your child's technique and play and speed until 13-14. They played 6-10. They all play futsal with boys. Then you introduce a highly skilled player into a system with a coach you trust. Shock you avoid burnout and overuse injuries. Maybe even she has joy of the game like CM when she came over from Brazil after no formal training?
I believe they are doing just fine.
Again wouldn't expect people on this board to be able to look at anything with fresh eyes or objectivity. It doesn't fit the needs of the herd
chargerfan
GOLD
If you are willing to send your child to live in another state with another family just to play soccer, you should have your head checked.
Second part- let me know when soccer becomes a team sport in SOCAL. I am just a little fish responding to the pond at which I swimming in- aka look out for number one.
This is what I see
Them taking a bunch of kids and changing their positions at ODP, DA, and YNT.
Them frequently overlooking all defenders at all levels of identification.
Them playing boot ball to a talented and fast forward and ignoring the vision of mids
Then not treating soccer as a thinking mans sport- ignoring all cerebral applications of the game
Rewarding all parents who are nuts in the process
Change the culture and change the problem but it WILL NEVER BE Changed.
NoGoal
DA
On the girls side, the US YNT head coaches recommend to their players (fixtures on the team) home school instead of normal HS. The reasoning is the girls will miss an abundance of school days and will fall behind. I know 3 players and their parents. 2 didn't go the home school route and 1 did. IMO, it depends how bright the individual is and if they can keep up with the normal HS school work. BTW, all 3 still played with their club teams....when they weren't called in for YNT duties.
pooka
SILVER ELITE
Hey @Striker17 I wanted to clarify the answers to your question from my post. As anomaly posted, DP in ECNL is different the DP in DA. DP in echo is why there are girls from Kansas playing ECNL in Oklahoma, girls from Louisiana playing in Texas, and so on and so forth. It allowed girls who were not geographically located near an ECNL team to still participate. DP in DA is available for second team players or bubble players to gain experience on the DA team I guess. but its for a limited number of games per season.
I personally would not want to send my daughter away to a host family, but I know that ice skating and gymnastics do it all the time. It just wouldn't work for us.
Dos Equis
GOLD
My friend, the literacy issues is yours, not mine. I was referring to the kids you mentioned who are no longer playing club or team soccer, not OM, and clearly said all of them are sure to get selected and end up on our YNT, not passed up.
OM and the rest may be the next great thing, not sad nor sorry about that, but right they now have a higher probability of having a career ending injury before 18 than making professional soccer a career. That is just a matter of statistics.
I do not see focusing on skills development and being on a team as mutually exclusive activities, in my fresh eyes you can do both and experience a more well-rounded development. Objectively, avoiding team soccer until 13-14 carries at least as many risks as potential benefits, and the coaches and systems available to you at U11-U13 are not so very different than those at U15-U16, whether you call the, ECNL, DA, or whatever the next great thing will be.
I think I saw a couple of former child prodigy athletes running cirles around everyone and the craps tables in Vegas this weekend, before passing out on the floor. They said they were doing just fine.
Although I enjoy the experienced parents perspectives there are many ways to navigate this new landscape. I presented additional ideas, and did not endorse one way or the other. I also think it's clear I was talking about one percenters here!
I for one think it takes a tremendous amount of courage to recognize that your daughter would be better served in a non traditional route and working towards that goal. It doesn't make it "wrong". Not participating in club for two years 11-13 will in fact not "hurt" anyone at all, especially if you have a gifted athlete. If you look at the very premise of DA it serves what they are doing- more specialized and focused training, limited games, film study. If they are getting touches with boys in futsal, as I wrote, they are enjoying a team aspect. If you have a private coach who is mentoring and teaming your daughter at the same cost of a club coach exactly how is that bad?
Some people are focused on goals that I would never personally be focused on. I would not endorse limiting my daughters social life by homeschooling but I also don't have a very special player who is featured on Instagram and Facebook , is meeting with YNT reps at 10-13 and takes pictures with soccer legends.
As for your last paragraph, I think it's obvious to anyone that child prodigy stars have a long road ahead. Unlike you though I support my friends choices, cheer on their daughters and would never hope they end up face down on a floor. Statistically I concur with you but I am not their parent. For me I would funnel money into a robotics coach or SAT prep over anything to do with soccer.
We didn't choose this system. 04 got our teams ripped to shreds then had DA dual band put upon us, then single band. Our age group has spent the last seven months not knowing what was happening and families are pretty much exasperated.
The older parents have all said the same thing- to be cautious about DA and what it means. Our ECNL teams are B teams at 04. So what exactly is wrong with a family deciding not only is DA not a golden ticket but their daughters are not B team ECNL players? Nothing.
What is wrong with families choosing an even more "off the radar choice" by choosing a local club with a great coach? Not a star team or club that they could have easily made?
Rate it dumb all you want ladies and gentleman my focus is my kid and doing the right thing for her and I will support any family who feels the same way.
Dos Equis
GOLD
Arsenal, Strikers, Sereno, Heat, Del Mar, pretty much all of NorCal ECNL and a significant amount of the prior ECNL teams (~50 teams, or 60%) who either declined, never applied or were not invited to DA would argue against ECNL being all B teams.
I did not believe every Beach, Legends, LA Premier, Pats, etc. team was a B team when they were not in ECNL, nor do I grant them elite status just by joining DA. Same coaches, same fields, and more than likely many of the same players. They will not suddenly change their style of play and coaching because they have a new patch.
If you have a great coach and positive team/club culture, and the speed of play of your team, league, or private sessions are at a level to help you achieve your soccer goals, you should be happy.
Doing what is right for our kid is what we all try to achieve -- raising our children is our primary responsibility as parents. I think we can all agree on that.