Girls Development Academy

[outside!]

Which begs the question of why international play needs limited subs.

For whatever reason the international game has limited subs. Since the US is trying to be competitive in the international game, we should practice it. In my opinion, unlimited subs at the college level allows for the continuation of the direct, "kick and run" style game that many club teams use.

 

[The Driver]

For whatever reason the international game has limited subs. Since the US is trying to be competitive in the international game, we should practice it. In my opinion, unlimited subs at the college level allows for the continuation of the direct, "kick and run" style game that many club teams use.

Well put

 

[MakeAPlay]

For whatever reason the international game has limited subs. Since the US is trying to be competitive in the international game, we should practice it. In my opinion, unlimited subs at the college level allows for the continuation of the direct, "kick and run" style game that many club teams use.

Title IX is in the way but I agree with you.

 

[Dos Equis]

For whatever reason the international game has limited subs. Since the US is trying to be competitive in the international game, we should practice it. In my opinion, unlimited subs at the college level allows for the continuation of the direct, "kick and run" style game that many club teams use.

Depends on the age. For the purposes of development, at the younger ages, even the international game believes in more flexible subsitution rules.

At the college ages, limited subs would also require a reduction in frequency of games. Not unusual for our college teams to average 3 games per week. That would not be practical nor safe without more liberal substitution rules (and perhaps is not wise even now).

Too often, we cherry pick which practices to follow and end up worse off, not understanding how the parts fit together to create the whole.

That seems to be the fate of US Soccer.

 

[Lambchop]

No re-entry is the controversial rule, for both development and safety. On development, there are valid arguments on both sides. But from a safety standpoint, while it might seem a cautious approach (injured kids cannot return), in practice the opposite is more likely (kids who get knocked around hide the pain lest their day end with a substitution). At 13-16 years old, not something to encourage. I have known too many "tough" soccer players who were always playing through the pain, particularly on the girls side, whose bodies start breaking down between ages 17-21.

The tough players continue to play even with unlimited subbing. Perhaps older players whose bodies start "breaking down" as you say are not properly conditioned, trained or the player is just plain burned out and is done. I have seen plenty of that.

 

[The Driver]

The tough players continue to play even with unlimited subbing. Perhaps older players whose bodies start "breaking down" as you say are not properly conditioned, trained or the player is just plain burned out and is done. I have seen plenty of that.

The best conditioned athletes can only stress themselves for so long. Breaking down or burning out happens to the best of the best. Even the ones who mentally get through fatigue end up suffering in other places like the classroom or health wise. I watch our dds run up and down the field and it upsets me when the running mechanics are shot and the coaches don't subbed.

 

[Not From Around Here]

For USSDA 11v11; 3 substitution times (moments) plus half time, 7 players can be substituted total during those (3) times + half time. Half time is not considered a moment, game is not moving.

A change like ECNL does with reentry in another half would help but I kind of doubt you will see that in 11v11 in DA.

Found this in the current DA rules:

Substitutions: All U15/16 and U17/18 Academy games will have a maximum of five(5) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”.
U13, U14 Academy games will have a maximum of seven (7) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”. The U12 Academy games will have unlimited substitutions with reentry.

With fewer subs at the older age groups, you will have 2 girls not play if a team brings 18 players.

 

[espola]

Found this in the current DA rules:

Substitutions: All U15/16 and U17/18 Academy games will have a maximum of five(5) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”.
U13, U14 Academy games will have a maximum of seven (7) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”. The U12 Academy games will have unlimited substitutions with reentry.

With fewer subs at the older age groups, you will have 2 girls not play if a team brings 18 players.

Forget the players. The coaches have their rules.

 

[The Driver]

Found this in the current DA rules:

Substitutions: All U15/16 and U17/18 Academy games will have a maximum of five(5) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”.
U13, U14 Academy games will have a maximum of seven (7) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”. The U12 Academy games will have unlimited substitutions with reentry.

With fewer subs at the older age groups, you will have 2 girls not play if a team brings 18 players.

Bright coaches will flourish under these settings. Bright coaches who puts winning over development will end up with some lame Stallions when it's said and done, plus some upset parents who's dds didn't get much game time action. Hope that makes sense iT was truly a freestyle

 

[younothat]

Found this in the current DA rules:

Substitutions: All U15/16 and U17/18 Academy games will have a maximum of five(5) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”.
U13, U14 Academy games will have a maximum of seven (7) substitutions per game with no reentry across three “opportunities”. The U12 Academy games will have unlimited substitutions with reentry.

With fewer subs at the older age groups, you will have 2 girls not play if a team brings 18 players.

For the Boys last season that was the case. Could very well be the same for the girls DA in 17-18' but haven't seen the official posted substitution rules for them yet but I would guess they will be the same.

In any case does depend on what coaches do to some extent but generally in DA the starters get the majority of playing and subs not very much and likely less minutes than their used to.

Normally unless injured starters are not sub'ed prior to the half. At half some but not many coaches will make a sub, most wait until about half way or later until 2nd half to start subbing.

Some close rival games will see almost no of very few subs. The blowout games or vs less comp will see subs starting or getting into the games more often.

Overall most coaches I've seen sub only about 3-4 players when they have 7 subs or 2-3 when there is 5 subs per game if that many, some more some less but rarely do you see the full 5-7 possibles get into games. 3-4 many only get 10-20 minutes of play typically with the 7's and 1-3 with the 5's, YMMV.

 

[Striker17]

Bright coaches will flourish under these settings. Bright coaches who puts winning over development will end up with some lame Stallions when it's said and done, plus some upset parents who's dds didn't get much game time action. Hope that makes sense iT was truly a freestyle

Agree . Bright parents will not gravitate to superstar teams unless their DD is a top five player. Parents haven't figured this one out yet which I believe will hurt recruitment. I anticipate massive movement once players on certain DA teams realize 15 minutes a game while the coach showcases his favorite six isn't going to get you noticed

 

[bababooey]

To me, the toughest decision for a parent of any serious player is this.........Do I try to get my dd on the very best team possible where she might only play half or a third of the game and is not considered an impact player for that team - OR - do I get my dd on a lesser team where she plays the majority of the games and is considered an impact player? I have my opinion on this matter, but what works for me and my dd doesn't apply to every other parent and dd.

 

[Striker17]

To me, the toughest decision for a parent of any serious player is this.........Do I try to get my dd on the very best team possible where she might only play half or a third of the game and is not considered an impact player for that team - OR - do I get my dd on a lesser team where she plays the majority of the games and is considered an impact player? I have my opinion on this matter, but what works for me and my dd doesn't apply to every other parent and dd.

Half or third is very different than 10-15 minutes.
I am seeing DA teams that are playing girls 10-15 min and parents are bragging about being on that team.
If your daughter is playing half a game, enjoying her coach and teammates and is training hard that is an extremely different situation than what I described.
If you have a DD who wants to play college, is barely playing or the 13-18 on a star roster it's not smart. There is not enough of his talk when discussing placement.

 

[Striker17]

PSS there is room for one unicorn per team and position. You got a good middie? Be careful about going to a team where one already exists. It's a waste of time. Again something people are sorely lacking in thinking about for whatever reason this year

 

[LadiesMan217]

To me, the toughest decision for a parent of any serious player is this.........Do I try to get my dd on the very best team possible where she might only play half or a third of the game and is not considered an impact player for that team - OR - do I get my dd on a lesser team where she plays the majority of the games and is considered an impact player? I have my opinion on this matter, but what works for me and my dd doesn't apply to every other parent and dd.

'Highest level team with best coach' -vs- best team since we tend rate teams based on record. Sometimes the lesser team has the better development. I would hope people are paying club fees for development and not winning games or prestige (although I know that is usually not the case).

 

[Striker17]

'Highest level team with best coach' -vs- best team since we tend rate teams based on record. Sometimes the lesser team has the better development. I would hope people are paying club fees for development and not winning games or prestige (although I know that is usually not the case).

We have found the "best club" had the two worst coaches of our age group. The other "best club" had one great developer with stacked team so play time limited. Our best choice was a "lower team" with the best coach and total minutes.
It's a math equation!

 

[SoccerLife75]

Any DA score updates from surf or silverlakes? Any surprises?

 

[MakeAPlay]

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/clu...diego-to-host-boys-girls-da-playoffs_aid42166

Looks like Surf got in on the deal with GDA....

 

[gkrent]

Pats 00/99 crushed PSV union 4-0. Yes, Im filled with glee.

 

[Furinner]

Watched a few 01/02 games. 10-15 college coaches on the sideline. The talent difference was pretty shocking, as reflected by the scores. The ECNL clubs seemed to do well, with some exceptions, the new DA-nonECNL clubs seemed woeful.

 

[Surfref]

Pats 00/99 crushed PSV union 4-0. Yes, Im filled with glee.

Good start for Pats.

4-0 isn't crushing another team, but GDA 04: SD Surf - 11 vs Burlingame - 1 is crushing and then stepping on them again just to make sure nothing is left.