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If ECNL extends their current 8th trapped grader rule to all age groups this fall, I would like to switch from GA to ECNL. If there is no transit plan and GA stays in BY, I will stay in GA for next season. So I really need to know that information to plan the tryout.
It seems like once ECNL announces when the change willl occur and a possible plan like the one you mentioned, GA will be forced to respond. If they do not also move to school year, they will likely have an exodus of fall birthdays looking for ECNL/RL spots.

Do ECNL and GA teams basically run August-July? When are "tryouts" for ECNL and GA teams? My daughter is a 2014 so not yet at that age.
 
I don't think this will be an issue since in soccer it works the opposite way. The best players play up an age group(s) at the highest level and are still impactful. Nobody is going to (or at least, shouldn't) brag about playing down an age group or two and how they're killing it there 🤣
your serious? Do you know how many ECRL teams had ECNL girls on their teams during the last ECRL playoffs? These rules and dates are definitely going to be exploited to win games. Your absolutely bonkers if you think coaches and DOCs will not take advantage of this. I know of a team that had what 5or6 NL girls playing at the RL playoffs. The SoCal landscape is win at all costs.
 
Do ECNL and GA teams basically run August-July? When are "tryouts" for ECNL and GA teams? My daughter is a 2014 so not yet at that age.
Details on tryout dates can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19i_HAUsN75dvDyLkg76QK9mQYbZ_MIbj/

Exhibit C lists the tryout dates for ECNL for the 2024/2025 season. The rules also state that anyone who isn't already on a team (or has been released from their team) can tryout for a new team any time during the year. They just can't tryout for another team while already on a team.

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For younger age groups, there are differing times/dates. Here's a screenshot from the So Cal Blues website, as one example:

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your serious? Do you know how many ECRL teams had ECNL girls on their teams during the last ECRL playoffs? These rules and dates are definitely going to be exploited to win games. Your absolutely bonkers if you think coaches and DOCs will not take advantage of this. I know of a team that had what 5or6 NL girls playing at the RL playoffs. The SoCal landscape is win at all costs.
I agree with you, in that there will always be those who take advantage of the rules (or their own interpretation of the rules) to make their team more competitive in the postseason. As far as I can tell, here's what they are supposed to be allowed to do:

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But if it can be shown they are pulling NL girls of the same age bracket down to the RL team, while that NL player was still rostered for that same age group at the NL level, I'm not sure why people are just whining about it instead of calling out clubs for cheating. Get them disqualified, or have ECNL explain why they are allowing clubs to flaunt their rules to win games.
 
I agree with you, in that there will always be those who take advantage of the rules (or their own interpretation of the rules) to make their team more competitive in the postseason. As far as I can tell, here's what they are supposed to be allowed to do:

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But if it can be shown they are pulling NL girls of the same age bracket down to the RL team, while that NL player was still rostered for that same age group at the NL level, I'm not sure why people are just whining about it instead of calling out clubs for cheating. Get them disqualified, or have ECNL explain why they are allowing clubs to flaunt their rules to win games.
all you have to do is roster NL girls on your RL roster. They can play NL during league and then go down to RL for Playoffs. You could field a whole NL team at the RL playoffs like this. It was all done in the rules. Shady but within the ECNL rules. My point is coaches and DOC will use these new rule changes and then the fact that different leagues have different age rules its going to be a disaster. Glad my kid is almost done with this.
 
all you have to do is roster NL girls on your RL roster. They can play NL during league and then go down to RL for Playoffs. You could field a whole NL team at the RL playoffs like this. It was all done in the rules. Shady but within the ECNL rules. My point is coaches and DOC will use these new rule changes and then the fact that different leagues have different age rules its going to be a disaster. Glad my kid is almost done with this.

I hope ECNL can have some rules tailored for 25/26 and release them soon so we can plan.
 
all you have to do is roster NL girls on your RL roster. They can play NL during league and then go down to RL for Playoffs. You could field a whole NL team at the RL playoffs like this. It was all done in the rules. Shady but within the ECNL rules. My point is coaches and DOC will use these new rule changes and then the fact that different leagues have different age rules its going to be a disaster. Glad my kid is almost done with this.

This would be a clear violation of Exhibit E: Roster Integrity Policy. (link to doc) Certainly not only in intent - but by letter as well. You can't have more than 4 NL players on any RL game roster at any time. If a ton of NL players are put on RL to get around this (yet they have clear evidence that they still play all season on NL), it's strange that nobody is calling out the club(s) that believe this to be a "legal" loophole.

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Nobody really cares about RL playoffs. ECNL players do not want to play down for their RL team.

Which club and team did this last year? We should call this out in case they try to do it again this year.
 
Someone had asked about what is going to happen with tournaments. Is it possible that the U(insert number) system will go away and will be replaced with Grade(X), for example 6th grade, 10th grade? Because with this new system your teams will have varying ages but the only consistency is the that everyone on a team is attending school at the same grade level. And then that opens another can of worms: What about kids who are at a grade level either above or below their typical age? Does my kid in 8th grade have to play against Bobby Bouche who was held back 3 different years and is the only "8th grader" who drives himself to school and uses the same brand of shaver as his P.E. coach?
Youth baseball has a birthday cutoff that is in the middle of the year. Instead of U10, U11, U12, etc., the age groups are referred to as 10U, 11U, 12U, etc. It's not related to grade level.

Is it more confusing initially? Absolutely
Can you figure it out in a few minutes? Yes - it's easy to find calculators and age charts
Is it a big deal once you figure it out? No
 
The shorter list would be who didn't do this :rolleyes:
Call them out. People like to think that good RL teams are sneaking in ECNL players when they aren't. Our Beach RL's do not sneak in ECNL players. ECNL might bring in RL players to help, or RL might bring in NPL players to help. But very rarely do players drop down a level to help...and when they do it's usually because they're about to get cut and get shipped down for the coming season.
 
Call them out. People like to think that good RL teams are sneaking in ECNL players when they aren't. Our Beach RL's do not sneak in ECNL players. ECNL might bring in RL players to help, or RL might bring in NPL players to help. But very rarely do players drop down a level to help...and when they do it's usually because they're about to get cut and get shipped down for the coming season.
Makes sense. Beach in particular has been a bit of a weird case in the recent past. In some age groups (girls), their RL team is as strong as their NL team. RL is head and shoulders above their peers, while NL is not as competitive with theirs. At this point, it's only the case for their 2011G teams, there is more of a separation between the two in the older ages:

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When this happens, if the teams are comparable in performance, there are only a couple options. Either the B team has much better coaching, the club itself isn't great about assessing whether a player should be on the A or B team, or they're skirting the rules and playing some of the same impactful players on both teams. It makes sense why someone external would assume the latter - even with zero knowledge of who is actually playing where.
 
I agree with you, in that there will always be those who take advantage of the rules (or their own interpretation of the rules) to make their team more competitive in the postseason. As far as I can tell, here's what they are supposed to be allowed to do:

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But if it can be shown they are pulling NL girls of the same age bracket down to the RL team, while that NL player was still rostered for that same age group at the NL level, I'm not sure why people are just whining about it instead of calling out clubs for cheating. Get them disqualified, or have ECNL explain why they are allowing clubs to flaunt their rules to win games.
I record my games and can tell you first hand that it’s not uncommon to see 6-7 NL girls helping the RL team in league matches and in playoffs. This is what furiates parents on both sides. Parent on the team with NL players are upset because they’re kid isn’t getting playtime and parents playing against team with NL players feels cheated not playing the same team that’s been there for other teams to play against.

I recall this happening my our first year. We won our division. Played the team who got help and ended up going to Virginia even though we beat them all 3 times we played them (league and playoffs) because they won the goal differential.

The easy fix for this would be ecnl implementing a rule requiring X amount of games be played during league to be eligible to participate for playoffs.
 
I'm curious to see, with D1 rosters dropping to 28 and the transfer portal exploding, what high school kids are going to do differently to get the attention of college coaches. Not to mention the possibility of JC kids getting more eligibility. Euros seem to be coming over more and more, etc.

Any of you parents in that boat now and doing things differently?
 
I'm curious to see, with D1 rosters dropping to 28 and the transfer portal exploding, what high school kids are going to do differently to get the attention of college coaches. Not to mention the possibility of JC kids getting more eligibility. Euros seem to be coming over more and more, etc.

Any of you parents in that boat now and doing things differently?
These are the trends I see happening as well.

Womens college coaches will get to choose from the portal, jcs, euros, and youth clubs. There's just more (average) supply than demand because of p2p. Also, if colleges pull out of soccer because it's non revenue there will be even less opportunities.

Once the reality starts hitting parents that playing in college isn't as viable as it used to be there will be less that are willing to pay 5-6k per year in club fees.
 
I'm curious to see, with D1 rosters dropping to 28 and the transfer portal exploding, what high school kids are going to do differently to get the attention of college coaches. Not to mention the possibility of JC kids getting more eligibility. Euros seem to be coming over more and more, etc.

Any of you parents in that boat now and doing things differently?
There is also talk of banning foreign students from receiving scholarships at American universities who receive federal funding.
 
These are the trends I see happening as well.

Womens college coaches will get to choose from the portal, jcs, euros, and youth clubs. There's just more (average) supply than demand because of p2p. Also, if colleges pull out of soccer because it's non revenue there will be even less opportunities.

Once the reality starts hitting parents that playing in college isn't as viable as it used to be there will be less that are willing to pay 5-6k per year in club fees.
I mean, really, why would you recruit from high schools if you're a coach (unless you're the dream school)? Even then, most kids are going to redshirt, yes? Used to be a kid committed and their name came out of the hat. Now, that kid is always available. And with 28, how many can you afford to have inactive?

Whacky times.
 
There is also talk of banning foreign students from receiving scholarships at American universities who receive federal funding.
Hadn't heard that. Like Carlsbad said, especially for us in California, how many of these state schools will have women's soccer down the road?
 
There is also talk of banning foreign students from receiving scholarships at American universities who receive federal funding.
All in favor of this for sports. In Europe there is general restriction of foreigners without dual citizenship being able to join local clubs unless they have been living in the country for 5 years and did not make the move to play soccer. In England they restrict further to living within specified distance of the club.
 
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