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well it happens. Looks like clubs were using ECNL players in SoCal state cup teams as well this year to win. As long as ECNL has these "fuzzy" rules the Coaches and DOCs will exploit them. I haven't read up on the SoCal rules in a while but I'm assuming its still the same and anyone can play on the SoCal state cup roster as long as they have a player card.
This following scenario has absolutely happened before and will continue to happen because it’s within the rules. A player is on Club X and rostered on their ECNL team. They play all season and finish league play for Club X's ECNL team and do not make the playoffs. The player then transfers to Club Y before playoff starts and rosters are locked and is rostered on Club Y's ECRL team. The player then plays for Club Y's ECRL team during playoffs and then Club Y's ECNL team during playoffs. The player does not count as one of the 3 Max ECNL players playing on Club Y ECRL roster for playoffs.
And don't get me started on the Discovery player slots. That's the ultimate ground for DOC fuckery...
RandomSoccerFan
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According to state cup rules, there's no prohibition against ECNL, MLS, or any other player with a valid player card for SoCal being added to a state cup roster. Keep in mind, State Cup used to be (and apparently still thinks it is) the highest level of youth soccer competition in California. The roster rules mean that once a kid is added to a state cup team roster, they can't be placed on any other state cup roster for the duration of the event. If their team is eliminated from the competition, they can be placed on a state cup roster of a team that is still in the event, as long as it is in a higher bracket.
Clubs can use whoever they want to help a state cup team win. It's just that not many of the "better" clubs do much of this anymore, as State Cup is a significantly lower level of competition, and it isn't even worth the injury risk for those playing in the different leagues.
Plausible - as long as Club X is happy to let them go to Club Y and they're fully paid up. It seems like the recommendations a few posts above about requiring a player to show at a minimum number of league games before playoffs would be impactful, if this is a commonly abused loophole.
rainbow_unicorn
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Ask any NL player if they want to play for their RL team for playoffs. 99.9% of them will say no
What’s funny is the ability to play down is a big chunk of the rationale for mls2. And lots of the mlsn players don’t seem to want to play down either, even if they are reserve players that rarely if ever get to dress for games let alone play.
It makes more sense if you read the scenario.
NL player at a weak club transfers to a stronger club. The stronger club puts them on the RL roster for 2 weeks for RL playoffs, then moves them up to NL for NL playoffs.
I can see a club doing that, and I can see an NL player putting up with it if she really wants a shot at NL playoffs.
I completely agree that almost all NL starters have zero interest in RL playoffs. They have their own events to worry about.
Scrub It Kook
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If a player is not dressing or getting meaningful minutes they are not developing as quickly as they potentially could. This is just the youthful (or parent) ego that unfortunately could prevent them from being offered other opportunities.
I guess the .1% is doing it then. Sorry but your so so wrong on this. Put your head back in the sand but its definitely happening.
The problem is everyone (clubs, coaches, players, colleges, us soccer) the second tier as if it’s garbage. And god help the 3rd tier. The truth however on the boys side unless you are a player that dresses at an academy, or a starter for a handful of other clubs, it’s really all garbage but somehow we’ve managed to convince folks the first tier is all somehow special.
Can we be real for a minute. Agree here to an extent but there's an exception :
Ask any NL player whos teams been eliminated from playoff contention if they want to play RL for the playoffs. 99% of them will say YES. The other 1% will find a new NL club who made the playoffs.
Rainbow has been wrong with 99.9% of his/her takes on youth soccer for over 7 years. I real, "know it all and a nasty one at that." Elites stole soccer but I came here to shine a light on the pay for play nonsense we all have experienced, and I will help bring soccer back to the 99.9% of us who have been priced out, lied to and cheated.
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What do you think? Since "lists" are in now (and some soon to be out) - should we compile our own LIST of corrupt coaches, docs ,clubs and parents so all the newcomer's can play connect the dots? I mean - until someone actually starts dropping names the cycle will continue.
"$oCal $occer Flight Li$t"
Some believe the First World War was triggered by a single shot in 1914 - We all clamor for change here (except the Elite) - If change is going to happen, something needs to be done because these greedy clubs continue to cash more and more checks each and every year - lets also not forget the PPP Money that was handed out to theses MEGA CLUBS. Where did all that money go? Wasn't invested into player development nor coaching development since US Soccer keeps falling further behind. I did see quite a few new and shiny BMW's being purchased over a 15 month period by directors and coaches though..............................................................................................
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The clowns that started Girls Development (grooming) Academy forced the age change because, "The world is watching." Then they forced the girls to make a decision of an either-or youth sports situation. GDA said, our travel elite league 24/7, 4 days a week and only play soccer, soccer, soccer and no high school soccer allowed, or you will be kicked out of OUR ELITE travel league that 99% can't afford. Then the clowns changed their rules after other kids followed their stupid rules and the rich elites got a special elite waiver for their child to have their cake (hs soccer) and ice cream (GDA). Then Covid 19 hit our shores, and this dumb league quit on all of us and took off. Their headquarters was in Chicago at an old mafia house, go figure
The women that worked there were harassed and abused. The mega clubs just changed the sign out front and rebranded. Now, were going back to the way things were in 2015. Youth soccer needs help. I will say we have some great coaches in the game. We need some good coaches to come on here and share. No one believes a bitter and resentful parent with sour grapes. Plus, this org is so huge they will squash any parent with concerns of the kickback side hustle business.
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Getting Harold Daggett vibes here.The clowns that started Girls Development (grooming) Academy forced the age because, "The world is watching." Then they forced the girls to make a decision of an either-or youth sports situation. GDA said, our travel elite league 24/7, 4 days a week and only play soccer, soccer, soccer and no high school soccer allowed, or you will be kicked out of OUR ELITE travel league that 99% can't afford. Then the clowns changed their rules after other kids followed their stupid rules and the rich elites got a special elite waiver for their child to have their cake (hs soccer) and ice cream (GDA). Then Covid 19 hit our shores, and this dumb league quit on all of us and took off. Their headquarters was in Chicago at an old mafia house, go figure
I think you're wrong that GA is GDA 2.0.The clowns that started Girls Development (grooming) Academy forced the age change because, "The world is watching." Then they forced the girls to make a decision of an either-or youth sports situation. GDA said, our travel elite league 24/7, 4 days a week and only play soccer, soccer, soccer and no high school soccer allowed, or you will be kicked out of OUR ELITE travel league that 99% can't afford. Then the clowns changed their rules after other kids followed their stupid rules and the rich elites got a special elite waiver for their child to have their cake (hs soccer) and ice cream (GDA). Then Covid 19 hit our shores, and this dumb league quit on all of us and took off. Their headquarters was in Chicago at an old mafia house, go figure
GA is a copy of girls ECNL. It's US Soccer's way to take over the girls youth soccer market without buying out Christian Lavars (one of ECNLs founders).
Once GA hits critical mass they're going to create Academy teams just like MLSN that play regular clubs.
Karlton Athletic
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Not really buying that. Garbage compared to what? The scale can't be a binary choice between "on an MLS Academy team" or "garbage".
rainbow_unicorn
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Name me one club that did this. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but let's call out the clubs that are doing it.
At last year's RL playoffs some parents on my team were saying that Blues (who knocked us out) was bringing down ECNL players. I checked back on the video and was able to verify that every Blues player out there was only rostered on RL and not on NL roster. Maybe people want to believe that a team had to use NL players to beat them...who knows.