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The reason for the ECNL pushing to switch back to grade defined groups is because they never wanted to switch to calendar year groups.

DA pushed for calendar year because US Soccer was using the USMNT and USWNT (who use calendar year grouping) + free soccer as incentives to get players to join the league. When DA first came out they were picking up clubs left and right. ECNL was 100% on the ropes + fighting for it's existence. Because of this they went along with DA / US Soccer and aligned to calendar year.

Now that DA has blown up + GA is just a copy of everything ECNL does. ECNL has decided that it's their turn to flex on the other leagues by going back to grouping by school grade.

It really is this simple. ECNLs focus has always been getting players onto college teams, that's it. US Soccer believes in getting players onto the USM/WNT first, then getting players playing professionally, and finally getting players onto college teams. GA is like ECNL and only focused on getting players on college teams. The problem with GA is US Soccer created it so even though it's a copy of ECNL the 100% college only pathway mentality isn't there.

Something that people aren't considering is ECNL pushing to change to grade based groups might force US Soccer to pull out the NWSL Next card. This is because they can't let ECNL dictate how everyone else functions.
I agree with a lot of what you said here.
However, I do not agree that "GA is just a copy of everything ECNL does.."
Consider, for example, that ECNL keeps their top clubs within ECNL. ECNL isn't mass migrating their top clubs into GAL or any other league. That is, as far as I can tell, a strategy that only GAL is employing.
 
The reason for the ECNL pushing to switch back to grade defined groups is because they never wanted to switch to calendar year groups.

DA pushed for calendar year because US Soccer was using the USMNT and USWNT (who use calendar year grouping) + free soccer as incentives to get players to join the league. When DA first came out they were picking up clubs left and right. ECNL was 100% on the ropes + fighting for it's existence. Because of this they went along with DA / US Soccer and aligned to calendar year.

Now that DA has blown up + GA is just a copy of everything ECNL does. ECNL has decided that it's their turn to flex on the other leagues by going back to grouping by school grade.

It really is this simple. ECNLs focus has always been getting players onto college teams, that's it. US Soccer believes in getting players onto the USM/WNT first, then getting players playing professionally, and finally getting players onto college teams. GA is like ECNL and only focused on getting players on college teams. The problem with GA is US Soccer created it so even though it's a copy of ECNL the 100% college only pathway mentality isn't there.

Something that people aren't considering is ECNL pushing to change to grade based groups might force US Soccer to pull out the NWSL Next card. This is because they can't let ECNL dictate how everyone else functions.
Great explaination of how we find soccer at these crossroads again. I just find it hard to understand why US Soccer would decide to create problems for thousands, actually even tens of thousands of youth players, for the convenence of a couple hundred players who will get a call up. If US Soccer is really concerned with growing the sport, snubbing 1/3 of the population probably isn't the way to go.
The ECNL model of youth soccer has shown to be succesful, which is why the GA shifted from the DA model. Seems to me that one of the biggest problems we've had with Youth Soccer in the US is USSoccer.
Now, the other possibility is NIL kills college sports, in which case, college recruiting rules don't matter anymore. The conflict is driven by the misalignment of NCAA rukes and USSoccer rules.
Then it is just a debate of whats better for the kids; keeping kids with their school social groups in grade year (10,000+ players) vs easier math for the MNT/WNT coaches, calendar year (500+ players). Either way, no big deal in this scenario.
 
It's all speculation until the change is made and the date is set. If for example, the date is changed to Aug 1st, your players would have the option to play with their grade year group or play up a year with their birth year group.
Thanks. That makes sense. For us, it would not be an issue then. Cutoff for school here is 9/1. So their grade year group and birth year group are one in the same. They are both on the younger side for their teams but by no means the youngest. I guess that would change with this change.
 
Great explaination of how we find soccer at these crossroads again. I just find it hard to understand why US Soccer would decide to create problems for thousands, actually even tens of thousands of youth players, for the convenence of a couple hundred players who will get a call up. If US Soccer is really concerned with growing the sport, snubbing 1/3 of the population probably isn't the way to go.
The ECNL model of youth soccer has shown to be succesful, which is why the GA shifted from the DA model. Seems to me that one of the biggest problems we've had with Youth Soccer in the US is USSoccer.
Now, the other possibility is NIL kills college sports, in which case, college recruiting rules don't matter anymore. The conflict is driven by the misalignment of NCAA rukes and USSoccer rules.
Then it is just a debate of whats better for the kids; keeping kids with their school social groups in grade year (10,000+ players) vs easier math for the MNT/WNT coaches, calendar year (500+ players). Either way, no big deal in this scenario.
That's exactly how I see things as well.

Wouldn't it be funny if NCAA keeps losing court cases + NIL blows up college sports. Then to address US Soccer implemets NWSL Next to fill the void and in 10 years after switching to school grade they switch everything back to calendar year groupings.

US Soccer isnt nessasarily the bad guy in all this. They just have a different perspective than ECNL and US Club Soccer.
 
I just find it hard to understand why US Soccer would decide to create problems for thousands, actually even tens of thousands of youth players, for the convenience of a couple hundred players who will get a call up.

Exactly. August 01 works better for the vast majority of players: lower tier kids who want to play with their friends.

Then, if USSF needs all the best kids in the same age group, just have the strongest August-December kids play up a year.

Any kid in serious contention for YNT should have no problem at all playing up by 1-5 months.
 
That's exactly how I see things as well.

Wouldn't it be funny if NCAA keeps losing court cases + NIL blows up college sports. Then to address US Soccer implemets NWSL Next to fill the void and in 10 years after switching to school grade they switch everything back to calendar year groupings.

US Soccer isnt nessasarily the bad guy in all this. They just have a different perspective than ECNL and US Club Soccer.
Lol, you are probably right on with this prediction.
 
U14 is the last year when players are all in Middle School

U15 is when the trapped players are in Middle School and the rest of the team is in High School.

If ECNL was to grandfather teams they'd do it to U15 and up.

I think changing to school year is a mistake + a waste of time. Trapped players are generally better than their grade level classmates. If I was a recruiter I'd prioritize trapped players over grade level equivalents. Parents are the ones that like to complain about all the perceived issues trapped players have to persevere.
Trapped players are not generally better . 🤣
 
The problem with US soccer is US Soccer.
100% and who they align themselves with is no bueno. Pockets of cash can buy your kid a spot on the team. So many of us in 2016 complained to the higher ups that this was bad for the 99% of the kids who won't go pro. They told us to STFU because "The World is Watching."
 
100% and who they align themselves with is no bueno. Pockets of cash can buy your kid a spot on the team. So many of us in 2016 complained to the higher ups that this was bad for the 99% of the kids who won't go pro. They told us to STFU because "The World is Watching."

“My kids are in youth soccer and I see the youth soccer environment — it’s a disaster, it’s an absolute disaster.”
 
100%. The rich elites took over with backroom deals. It's a dumpster fire that needs to be put out, cleaned and all big re-do is in order.
And if you come from a lower income hard-working, or maybe even broken family... you'll have a chip on your shoulder, that chip will be held against you even as you work hard to attain your dream of being the best goal scorer or goal stopper (the only 2 ways to push through soccer politics) - and you can be treated like Hope Solo.
 

“My kids are in youth soccer and I see the youth soccer environment — it’s a disaster, it’s an absolute disaster.”
Wow, that was quite entertaining to hear Landon Donovan's take. I was also cracking up when he was talking about how much easier it is to coach women than men since men have egos and women listen 🤣
 
Wow, that was quite entertaining to hear Landon Donovan's take. I was also cracking up when he was talking about how much easier it is to coach women than men since men have egos and women listen 🤣
I read that as well. I'm no Landon fan but he's spot on. Men don't listen to bullshit from coaches. Girls have been staying quiet way too long and the one's that do speak up get retaliated against from the men with big fat rich egos.
 
Wow, that was quite entertaining to hear Landon Donovan's take. I was also cracking up when he was talking about how much easier it is to coach women than men since men have egos and women listen 🤣
Landon, and many of his USMNT teammates, played high school soccer without playing Club year round. Somehow they managed to be relatively competitive despite HS soccer being a "significantly inferior" product. Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy since leagues like the MLS Next prohibit HS play. I'm a proponent of making HS soccer relevant again. It might stem the tide of losing some of the better players to other high school sports. There is a certain unearned arrogance from coaches that disparage HS soccer.
 
Landon, and many of his USMNT teammates, played high school soccer without playing Club year round. Somehow they managed to be relatively competitive despite HS soccer being a "significantly inferior" product. Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy since leagues like the MLS Next prohibit HS play. I'm a proponent of making HS soccer relevant again. It might stem the tide of losing some of the better players to other high school sports. There is a certain unearned arrogance from coaches that disparage HS soccer.
100%. Me and my little girl was told by a British Doc, "High school soccer is horrible. You can't play in the Girls Development (Grooming) Academy and do High School soccer." My buddy had an All-American Water polo player at Laguna that made the YNT and got a full ride to Cal and he was able to do both. I was shocked when Doc told me under no circumstances are the girls allowed to do both. We followed the rules and guess what? Well, this lying sack of shit Doc was told by his bosses that their daughters also wanted to do both, like my little one. These smart asses got together and figured out a way for their rich kids to have their cake and ice cream. They got the top brace at the now closed GDA to give a waiver to the rich kids at private schools. I know I repeat this story over and over but it's worth repeating because these punks will pay for their deceit and lies. I know Larz hates it when I bring this crap up but I'm still waiting for them to say sorry. My little one was the leader of the #1 team in the country and she did what she wanted to do. When this went down, I thought the Doc was joking at first and then I could see through the wolfs eyes that this was all about control and business. If a kid plays soccer 24/7 then mommy and daddy will pay all year around. No other sports either so all the rich parents' money stay in the soccer hub. You MUST play soccer soccer soccer soccer only and pay pay pay pay the man or else. I think both and, is the way to go, not either or.
 
100%. Me and my little girl was told by a British Doc, "High school soccer is horrible. You can't play in the Girls Development (Grooming) Academy and do High School soccer." My buddy had an All-American Water polo player at Laguna that made the YNT and got a full ride to Cal and he was able to do both. I was shocked when Doc told me under no circumstances are the girls allowed to do both. We followed the rules and guess what? Well, this lying sack of shit Doc was told by his bosses that their daughters also wanted to do both, like my little one. These smart asses got together and figured out a way for their rich kids to have their cake and ice cream. They got the top brace at the now closed GDA to give a waiver to the rich kids at private schools. I know I repeat this story over and over but it's worth repeating because these punks will pay for their deceit and lies. I know Larz hates it when I bring this crap up but I'm still waiting for them to say sorry. My little one was the leader of the #1 team in the country and she did what she wanted to do. When this went down, I thought the Doc was joking at first and then I could see through the wolfs eyes that this was all about control and business. If a kid plays soccer 24/7 then mommy and daddy will pay all year around. No other sports either so all the rich parents' money stay in the soccer hub. You MUST play soccer soccer soccer soccer only and pay pay pay pay the man or else. I think both and, is the way to go, not either or.
It's easier to lie if you have an accent.
 
Landon, and many of his USMNT teammates, played high school soccer without playing Club year round. Somehow they managed to be relatively competitive despite HS soccer being a "significantly inferior" product. Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy since leagues like the MLS Next prohibit HS play. I'm a proponent of making HS soccer relevant again. It might stem the tide of losing some of the better players to other high school sports. There is a certain unearned arrogance from coaches that disparage HS soccer.
Different era. HS soccer was the main pathway to college at that time, and much of the YNT recruiting came from a combination of state HS tournaments, NPL play as well as ODP.

None of those things are relevant anymore for elite football. So it’s not reasonable to look at a bygone era as a guidepost for what could be better in today’s environment. The quality of play today is significantly better than Donovan’s era. And Pele today wouldn’t even be in the pool for Brazil’s NT.
 
Different era. HS soccer was the main pathway to college at that time, and much of the YNT recruiting came from a combination of state HS tournaments, NPL play as well as ODP.

None of those things are relevant anymore for elite football. So it’s not reasonable to look at a bygone era as a guidepost for what could be better in today’s environment. The quality of play today is significantly better than Donovan’s era. And Pele today wouldn’t even be in the pool for Brazil’s NT.
You must be a club coach. The US doesn't have "elite football", that's a dream being sold to parents. Yes, of course, players today are better than they were 20 years ago when Landon was in high school. The same goes for all sports. However, the US as an international power hasn't gained any ground on other countries in terms of developing players. We have a few more players playing internationally, but many of those players developed overseas. Any improvement is immaterial, despite the fact that we have significantly more youth playing soccer than any other country.

Prohibiting players from playing high school has done nothing to improve development of US players. Will playing HS soccer improve development? No, probably not, but let the kids enjoy some glory at their school and community, away from the grind of so-called "elite" Club soccer. Make HS soccer relevant again, and lets stop pretending that MLS Next is "elite football".
 
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