ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

sdb said:
I've never seen it published if it exists. I've seen NCAA data.
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My bet is that both leagues are afraid to tell parents that serious injuries (ACL plus 2nd concussions) are over 10 percent per year.
 
sdb said:
I don't think GDA ever said that it was free either. First year, I believe that only 2 clubs in SoCal announced that it would be free for all players, Pats and LAG. I know that LAG is still free, not sure about Pats. The ECNL and GDA families we know both pay about the same, roughly $8-10K per year incl. associated travel.

You may have been sold a bill of goods, but you bought it. 100% your fault for not doing more due diligence, for falling for the sales pitch.
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@Dos Equis (laughing and just having fun). LAFC, Legends, Surf, Pats and the LA Galaxy announce fully funded in 2016 to my ears and eyes. I was at all the talks dude in 2016 and 2017. I'm not sure wtf happened, but it was for only for one year. I;m still scratching my head on that trick. However, just so you no, no Doc said, "hey, come here for one year of fully funded fun and then after that it will cost you $10,000-$15,000 depending on your travel budget and how you travel. That btw, is determined by each families assets, right? Fully funded was a lie, it just wasn;t going to ever really happen and smart dads like you Dos didnt fall for the lie. However, your happy with the GDA. That is weird imo a makes me question things in my brain. It was a trick to get goats to come I think. Again, I did not make one outbound phone call to a Doc. All calls were inbound from the Doc or owner .I still have copies of text from two Docs with the deal. We set up meetings with my wife and dd and Doc and they ALL shared to us what the big GDA plan was and how all clubs need to fully fund their top teams, just like the men. Come on now, get your head out of the sky and see the facts as they're. We were sold this hole GDA league based on being just like the BDA. Are they not fully funded?
 
Soccerfan2 said:
I never heard our club or GDA as a whole say it would be free. It is not even free for many boys DA players. Our local USL affiliated (future MLS) boys DA started out fully funding the boys academy, but pulled funding after a few years when they determined they couldn’t . The club gave parents the option to continue the program by covering the costs themselves, and they voted to do so, so the boys DA survives that way.
US Soccer tried to reduce the cost of DA play by funding league and showcase costs. DA actually costs clubs less than ECNL because DA clubs don’t pay league fees, ref fees or tournament fees. Those savings may be offset by additional coach and field rental expenses due to the 4 day a week training mandate - I don’t know.

In my experience, our club has not passed this possible savings on to parents in the form of reduced monthly dues, but they could.
DA and ECNL families both bear the extra travel costs associated with playing in a national league head on.

This pay to play model is not unique to soccer. It is the same for many youth sports.
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There is a reason for that. Think about that and get back to me with your answer
 
@MacDre Hey, whats going on? Do you see what I see? This is amazing. I promised not to share PMs and I won, but the hate male I'm getting is crazy. Wow, some bad ass papa bears are not happy right about now. They the type that pay for what they want. You get my drift? All we want is to separate the goats from the sheep. I'm also open to the idea my dd is actually a sheep and not worthy of goathood like some. Yesterday I saw my my dd working on some stuff with soccer ball in backyard. No juggling though. I watched and watched and still no juggling like they do in the circus league. So I finally did it. I got the nerve and said, "hey you, can you do 100 juggles in a row?" She said, "sure." First try, 100. no joke. Righ,t then left, than right, on the knee, the head and no drop to the ground. She asked why afterwards and I just said I was curious.
 
Ellejustus said:
I know some Docs who promised 11, 12 & 13 year old girls 90 minutes a game, plus start every game, never come out, like ever, plus this and plus that. Some of these GDA parents would lose their marbles if you tried to take their kid out early. I'm glad I stood up for the American way and never asked for this or that. I swear on the good book I never begged for a handout. I swear EOTL. They came to us like Coach K and told us we were the first of many many scholarships. I took the full ride. I'm guilty as charged, but I never begged, never, not once. I just wanted my dd to get up to bat and let me to you, she hit a grand slam.
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You stood up for the American way and never asked? Why would you need to ask when you shoved the Kool-Aid IV directly into your arm? LMAO!
 
Plus, whats the big deal if 40 of the top top players in Socal are in a top top league for each age group? It's only about .1% of the players. The rest can go play in GDA or ECNL or any league for that matter. This top top league needs to be run by honest folks who wants the best of the best to play together and it needs to be free. Why am I for that? Guess why?
 
The Outlaw said:
You stood up for the American way and never asked? Why would you need to ask when you shoved the Kool-Aid IV directly into your arm? LMAO!
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Hell ya I did Lester. I was poor at the time and they said my goat was one of the top socal forwards at the time. The kool air was free and tasted so good, Oh ya!!!!

 
Ellejustus said:
ECNL never said it was free. No got free unless you needed help. GDA said it would be fully funded and not just for one year and be grateful. You paid for a service at ECNL. It wasn;t $60,000 either. Map said it was $33K back in the day. That's still pay to play, just now it cost way more because of all the travel.
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How much do you pay Ellejutus for ECNL?
 
MacDre said:
Wow! That’s some serious scrilla, scratch, paper my friend. I have a question for those who say their goal is only college.

How is paying 60k over 4 years to enhance your kids chances of getting into college any different than the other parents that were buying test scores etc. in the admissions scandal?
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I don't know anybody that pays $15k per year for soccer, and if they did I'd stop talking to them, but you have to remember comp soccer teaches life lessons... and the reality is that you'd still be spending some amount of money on something else. Paying for soccer isn't bribing schools. Making a $70M donation to USC and then bragging you didn't pay Rick Singer to get YOUR kid into the school, like Dr. Dre did... that's bribing a school.
 
gotothebushes said:
How much do you pay Ellejutus for ECNL?
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$3,000 for the coach. I paid in full because he's a good guy and I wanted a discount. I also requested no travel to NJ and only one showcase. Also, skipped Thanksgiving showcase and was not going to Vegas two weeks in a row. Only the CPA but that got cancelled. That would be free trip because my friend will let me stay at his vacation house for free. I think I had it down to just under $6,000 for this year. We did air b and b and brought our own top roman. Everyone has different funds bushman. I lost all mine in 2017 and no one bailed me out. I actually got crap from friends. "You should have saved for a rainy day." Well I did, but that went all to club soccer the last two years chasing a Naty and flying all around first year GDA. Today, I'm making bank while my buddy is losing now. He told me he took a blood bath in the stock market. He had $5,000,000 now its like $3,000,000. It goes up 5%, down 5%. I asked if he pulled it out, and he said, "no." Another friend told me I left my family in a bad spot by not saving my extra cash I had left after my pay check and let me know how evil travel sports are and they dont care about you really. Well, this smart ass lost his job and is freaking out. Now I'm helping him and the govt is bailing him out because he now see's he was in the wrong industry. However, he's getting bailed out when no one helped me in 2017. It's life and It's not always fair is it?
 
Ellejustus said:
First off smart man ((Just having fun)) great job not falling for the trick like I did. This is all about college for your dd. Hope Solo said poor folks can;t enter club soccer. It's like an old white man's country club that gets so many favors that their kids get all the glory still and poor kids can;t enter the league. When you pay to play, the one's you pay make sure you get to play and start and receive all the benefits of what the league can offer. There lies the problem dude. Thirdly, some coaches and docs ((not all) get paid way too much. If your rich dad, who cares right? Fourth, the top top players need to be protected from all of you who love pay per play for obvious reasons and let the top top play for free and with only the other top top goats only. Play possession and the right way can only be plaid with the top top players. Last, i'm so glad that @Dos Equis received values for his investment in the pay per play leagues. I did not and mine was free. Imagine that. A poor American father with a half Guatemalan dd getting a full ride by the #1 GDA club in America that told everyone on their website to donate more of the rich money so we can play for free while dads like you pay for it. I get this now. If the poor dad has some issues, he needs to shut because it's all free.
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When you pay to play, the one's you pay make sure you get to play and start and receive all the benefits of what the league can offer? This is far from the truth. I only can speak for my dd's team or club. We have players on our team that pays 100% and they do a great deal for the team and there dd plays maybe 15 mins a game. Sometimes players see less playing time than that. Our TOP TOP players needs to be protected? Our top players pays full boat to play and they also work their tails off too.
 
The Outlaw said:
I don't know anybody that pays $15k per year for soccer, and if they did I'd stop talking to them, but you have to remember comp soccer teaches life lessons... and the reality is that you'd still be spending some amount of money on something else. Paying for soccer isn't bribing schools. Making a $70M donation to USC and then bragging you didn't pay Rick Singer to get YOUR kid into the school, like Dr. Dre did... that's bribing a school.
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Lester, donations come in all colors. You always point out the perception of just one color. Stop it dude. Your time is up and America hates the law of two, trust me. The universe is changing and if you keep the hate you in your little brain, you will miss out on a piece of heaven where God see's no color :)
 
gotothebushes said:
When you pay to play, the one's you pay make sure you get to play and start and receive all the benefits of what the league can offer? This is far from the truth. I only can speak for my dd's team or club. We have players on our team that pays 100% and they do a great deal for the team and there dd plays maybe 15 mins a game. Sometimes players see less playing time than that. Our TOP TOP players needs to be protected? Our top players pays full boat to play and they also work their tails off too.
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There lies the problem. What you just said is true.
 
dad4 said:
My bet is that both leagues are afraid to tell parents that serious injuries (ACL plus 2nd concussions) are over 10 percent per year.
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I don’t think they collect the data for ACL injuries. There’s no reporting in of injuries in DA aside from concussions.
 
The Outlaw said:
I don't know anybody that pays $15k per year for soccer, and if they did I'd stop talking to them, but you have to remember comp soccer teaches life lessons... and the reality is that you'd still be spending some amount of money on something else. Paying for soccer isn't bribing schools. Making a $70M donation to USC and then bragging you didn't pay Rick Singer to get YOUR kid into the school, like Dr. Dre did... that's bribing a school.
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Your up in Stocton, the funds are a little deeper in South OC and Rancho Santa Fe Lester.
 
Okay, I understand that things aren’t free.

But, what I do not understand is why clubs in Europe and Mexico are free but the people on this board feels it’s impossible to have free club soccer.

Things cost in Europe and Mexico too. I guess they make things happen and we make excuses.

I think it’s kinda pathetic for the politically, socially, and economically disenfranchised to not have an opportunity to play youth sports in the richest nation because of cost. I find it repulsive that most don’t care.
 
dad4 said:
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Does DA report their concussion data? Or just keep it to themselves?
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I have a few insiders that will let me know if the information is available. I want the information out of curiosity. My brother Dave was told by that stupid consumer product commissioner only 20 injuries over in last 13 years for lawn dart game for kids. That was BS and that dude got fired later. Kickbacks from guys that cheat the system.
 
Ellejustus said:
Lester, donations come in all colors. You always point out the perception of just one color. Stop it dude. Your time is up and America hates the law of two, trust me. The universe is changing and if you keep the hate you in your little brain, you will miss out on a piece of heaven where God see's no color :)
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Actually I just pointed out the biggest offender who was stupid enough to pop his head up and brag about the bribing he didn't do. And listen, TunaHelper, you're the last person on this site to be calling anyone a "little brain." Your head injuries are as epic as your belief that everyone values your incessant babble.
 
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