Wrong; two players from 03 ECNl team didn’t play for DA team in this game...DA team had 4 new players playing in this game; 1 from Abner's team, 2 from DA Surf, and the goalie was I believe an 06 player. The game was a white wash, as 06 goalie hardly even saw the ball. If not for the tremendous play by the ECNL goalie, game could have been 5 or 6 nothing. It’s easy to forget the 03 DA team last year was playing up at the 02 level last year. With the additions and dropping down to their age group, DA did show well by dominating the very best of ECNL.
ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'
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Wrong; two players from 03 ECNl team didn’t play for DA team in this game...DA team had 4 new players playing in this game; 1 from Abner's team, 2 from DA Surf, and the goalie was I believe an 06 player. The game was a white wash, as 06 goalie hardly even saw the ball. If not for the tremendous play by the ECNL goalie, game could have been 5 or 6 nothing. It’s easy to forget the 03 DA team last year was playing up at the 02 level last year. With the additions and dropping down to their age group, DA did show well by dominating the very best of ECNL.
How is that so? Two comparable teams. One team finishes first in the country in their league. The other team finishes about 26th in the country in their league. I'm not sure how anyone can plausibly say that the competition is not strikingly different in the two leagues.
And the Blues ECNL team was not very good before Rogers brought his team over from Strikers. Let's not pretend that the Rogers team is somehow indicative of how other Blues ECNL teams are formed.
bigroyalbastard
BRONZE
Just curious, why would any of the players from Abner's ECNL National Championship team want to play with Tad's team at Surf Cup instead of with their own #1 team. Sounds kinda strange to me. Or did they leave Abner's team for a "better" team?
C'mon @espola ..come up with your own lines!!
That's ok @timbuck. You had (1) "Agree". Which proves @12th_man_fan knows just as little as you.
KIDDING!!!
I just used Claremont McKenna as an example. The Claremont Colleges are a consortium of schools and are all held in high regard.
I was told during daughter's recruiting process that with CMC and CalTech you have to make it through admission process first and that soccer doesn't give you any priority.
soccerobserver
GOLD
In most D3's the coach has to run the applicant by the admissions committee and the applicant must meet the same admissions criteria that all the non athletic recruits have to meet.Our experience was with Pomona and the coach definitely has a voice in getting her soccer recruits from the qualified pool of applicants and into the admitted pool of applicants. In contrast, and in the case of MIT for example the coaches say they have no ability to influence the admissions process even if the soccer applicant greatly exceed the admissions criteria. CalTech recently revived their soccer program so I am not familiar with their process.
Dos Equis
GOLD
Most NESCAC schools (Williams, Amherst, Hamilton, Trinity, Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Middlebury, Tufts), give their coaches a number of "golden tickets" for athletic recruits who meet minimum, but quite high, academic standards. The UAA is another top D3 academic conference (NYU, Carnegie Mellon, Brandeis, Emory, UChicago, Case Western, Wash St. Louis) whose members mostly follow similar recruiting policies to the NESCAC.
A lot depends on the culture of the school, the nature of the alumni base (often based on endowment and level of post-graduation alumni involvement), and how much emphasis they historically put on athletics. So while MIT is less inclined to help recruited athletes, at the other end of the scale Johns Hopkins acts more like a D1 school in terms of the disparity between the test score and GPA requirements for athletes versus the rest of the class (and not just for their D1 Lacrosse program). I think the vast majority of D3 schools still have recruiting policies/programs/quotas, but few have academic exceptions for these athletes.
There is no place to hide academically at Cal Tech or MIT so the soccer players need to be students that play soccer or they won’t last long at the school.
MIT believes that it can make three “perfect classes” from the applications that it receives every year. That doesn’t mean all perfect scores and GPAs. It means that it can fulfill its goals for the incoming class three times over.
To give you a sense of the numbers, here is what MIT has posted for the most recent admission process.
https://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/stats/
Cal Tech is similar. Both schools require subject tests.
If a player can qualify academically, soccer can make the difference in admission because coaches indicate their preferences to the admissions office. This preference is taken into account after the player is determined to be qualified for admission. If a player has the right numbers and experiences, she may even be admitted irrespective of soccer. If not, it does not matter how wonderful the player is at soccer because it serves nobody’s interest in either the short or long term to have a player struggle (and possibly fail) academically.
Several friends of mine played at Tufts(1) and Emory(3). All met academic requirements and could have been accepted on those merits alone.
It is important to remember that CMC has two soccer programs. CMS and PP are as different as the colleges that are combined into teams. For example, Harvey Mudd and Scripps are VERY different schools with VERY different admission processes. Players from both play on a team with players enrolled at Claremont College. Same for Pomona and Pitzer.
My daughter is at a strong academic D3, and her coach played no role in admission. In fact, he didn’t want them to mention soccer at all. They got in (and money) on merit alone. He helped guide the resume, essays, etc., but he had no role with the admissions office. My daughter was recruited by Cal Tech, Vassar and several other schools of the top academic D3’s, as well. She is smarter than me and would have gotten into them if she chose them (she made her decision in Junior year). But I do know some schools let the coach have some sway in admissions.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
Those who hire folks at highest levels know Pomona, Scripps, "Claremont", Harvey Mudd, Pitzer and Keck Graduate School. Had friends attend the various Claremont Schools - all pretty much geniuses. If any of those schools wanted to give my kids a scholarship due to their athletic abilities, even if they were recruiting to play Roller Hockey or Field Hockey or Ultimate Frisbee - they would be playing whatever the hell the schools wanted them to play. The schools are that solid. Harvey Mudd often out ranks other engineering schools - but most folks only know MIT or Cal Tech. Hell more people know the Cal Poly schools more.
One reason few people know about Harvey Mudd is that so few people graduate from there. Their total enrollment is smaller than Cal Poly Pomona's Freshman class.
Desert Hound
DA
Those in the know go the the "Harvard of the West" aka Arizona State.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
I use to go over to the various Claremont campuses back when I was in college, usually chasing a friend's roommate's skirt around, and the very small close knit atmosphere was great. Not everyone likes that style of campus when they are young - bigger, louder = more fun! Claremont is a nice quiet town, something the young ones find boring.
Back in the 70's Claremont was in the middle of the LA-downwind smog zone. Are things better there now?
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
yes Harvard of the West. Placing AZ State's rep anywhere near Claremont College's rep will make grads from those schools ask if you need medication for your mental condition.
outside!
DA
Thanks to the EPA, yes.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
Late 90s - Early 00s it was fine. Dont ever remember any time we had any alerts in the SGV basin. Two friends lived in Claremont and had various roommates that went to the schools. Then again I was probably paying attention more getting to where the young ladies lived, rather than how the quality of the air was. Areas in Pomona was seemed thick with a ton of trucks roaming around and Diamond Bar wasnt the best. A ton more traffic and cars running around now, I would imagine Air Quality would hit just below the threshold for a Smog Alert more often now. I hated the heat in the Summer through some of Fall - but some of that area, especially on campuses, you could see the season changes.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
CARB blocking reg to most old diesel rigs. they plan on blocking just about every big rig diesel sooner than later. Family members are truck drivers in other states and dont come into Cali due to them needing a particulate filter on their older rigs. Still wont eliminate the smog issue. Smog only making Cali Kids training stronger - at least how Id sell my program to players/parents visiting my college athletic program.
I cough less now when I play. Thanks EPA.