Justus
GOLD
Old way bro
ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'
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Justus
GOLD
Landscape I mean. It appears 1/3 of the country was not in the section process this time. Did that happen before? I thought it was more ODP and then select NT in the old way?. That would make sense to have THE CREAM. Go regionally first to get regions best and then THE BEST OF THE BEST. Not sure this happened this time. Again, more interested in 2017 process U14. Did they you even have that age group back in the day????? Cali has 11 in current group of 24. Is that normal? I think its cool too we have so many. How does Nocal look? Lot's of Earthquakes. BTW, all of those girls are deserving on those selections for all the hard work they put in
Did you really just put on this open “public” forum for everyone to Google your DD by her full name! A forum where you’re upsetting a lot of people and now they know your DD by name! You’re a real douche bag of a dad of the worst kind! The safety of your under age DD should be the focal point of your life concerns. Not ranting about “da list”!
@Canyon90,
I don't think he's upsetting people, in as much providing some entertainment. We has a passionate father who wants his daughter to "have her cake and eat it too." Many of us see this guy spiraling out of control using ALL CAPS different colored fonts and its kinda funny. Most of us agree that the Girls DA should not restrict HS play, but allow it because 99.934% of those girls in the system won't actually make the YNT (it could be 99.943%).
What he and many other don't appreciate is that US Soccer formed the Girls DA 10 years after the Boys DA in response to litigation threats and "unequal treatment" of female soccer players. If US Soccer adopted different rules for the girls DA it exposes itself to allegations of unequal treatment (once again, defeating one of the purposes of the Girls DA). In addition, the Boys DA will get their shorts in a bunch and want the rules changed, but again (99.12%) of Boys DA players will never sniff the YNT.
Its not corruption as alleged, but practicalities of having a program designed to develop and identify elite athletes. Is it ultimately necessary to eliminate HS play? Yes, if the goal is to have a 10 month league season with 4 practices per week. Because different HS regions play at different times of the year (Fall, Winter, Spring) it is also necessary to eliminate HS because we would have multiple regions just go dark for a few months waiting out HS or struggling to field a team during the season. In California the North HS season is in the fall, in So Cal its in Winter and back east in Fall and Spring.
I don't think he's upsetting people, in as much providing some entertainment. We has a passionate father who wants his daughter to "have her cake and eat it too." Many of us see this guy spiraling out of control using ALL CAPS different colored fonts and its kinda funny. Most of us agree that the Girls DA should not restrict HS play, but allow it because 99.934% of those girls in the system won't actually make the YNT (it could be 99.943%).
What he and many other don't appreciate is that US Soccer formed the Girls DA 10 years after the Boys DA in response to litigation threats and "unequal treatment" of female soccer players. If US Soccer adopted different rules for the girls DA it exposes itself to allegations of unequal treatment (once again, defeating one of the purposes of the Girls DA). In addition, the Boys DA will get their shorts in a bunch and want the rules changed, but again (99.12%) of Boys DA players will never sniff the YNT.
Its not corruption as alleged, but practicalities of having a program designed to develop and identify elite athletes. Is it ultimately necessary to eliminate HS play? Yes, if the goal is to have a 10 month league season with 4 practices per week. Because different HS regions play at different times of the year (Fall, Winter, Spring) it is also necessary to eliminate HS because we would have multiple regions just go dark for a few months waiting out HS or struggling to field a team during the season. In California the North HS season is in the fall, in So Cal its in Winter and back east in Fall and Spring.
MakeAPlay
DA
Is this thread still going? You guys are really indulging somebody. Arsenal to Legends to Surf to Blues all before 10th grade sounds like a significant amount of club hopping to me.
Temecula to Laguna Beach sounds like a little bump in the mortgage payment though. Maybe that’s what this whole thread is actually about. I really can’t tell anymore. I had to put it on ignore.
You know what happens when you don’t feed something looking for attention?
Temecula to Laguna Beach sounds like a little bump in the mortgage payment though. Maybe that’s what this whole thread is actually about. I really can’t tell anymore. I had to put it on ignore.
You know what happens when you don’t feed something looking for attention?
Yesterday I bought some microwave popcorn, so I could sit in my hotel room on the other side of the country and just enjoy the show. It doesn't matter if we don't feed him, because he is just going to start 5 threads, all with the same theme. But, and to his credit, he doesn't personally attack others (like many on this board). I like to think of this as fishing ... just when you think he understands and will give up a little bit and get reeled in, he thrashes around with the same vengeance as before forgetting everything you just told him about the how and why it works this way. There has to be a way to get him to understand life isn't fair ... never was.
Justus
GOLD
MAP good to see your back. TY to those who have sent encouraging inbox messages and some are starting to share their stories as well 
TY for the text messengers offering me and my dd support. This is just getting started folks. I had great sleep last night. Some crazy dreams of 2016-2017 of insane recruiting times "popped" in all of sudden. I woke up more calm today. Peaceful, focused, resolute and most important, filled with Ganas to see this through. So to Everyone, let's have a discussion. Has it occurred to any of you customers (Parents who buy all this soccer in SoCal) they (THE BIG CLUBS WITH DOCS AND US SOCCER FEDERATION) never consulted with us, the customers? Should they have? OC and San Diego are where the BIG DECISIONS are made for the rest of the country. They hold the power. Who has the power right now? Leverage over our dd and yes, you as a parent is not good for any of us? First huge decision that caused the division were all in, is the age change? Huge!!!! Why not talk with us as well and see what we would have thought and what about all the girls? Aren't we all allowed a voice in this PROCESS? I'm going to start sharing our recruiting PROCESS so I'm being transparent to all.
TY for the text messengers offering me and my dd support. This is just getting started folks. I had great sleep last night. Some crazy dreams of 2016-2017 of insane recruiting times "popped" in all of sudden. I woke up more calm today. Peaceful, focused, resolute and most important, filled with Ganas to see this through. So to Everyone, let's have a discussion. Has it occurred to any of you customers (Parents who buy all this soccer in SoCal) they (THE BIG CLUBS WITH DOCS AND US SOCCER FEDERATION) never consulted with us, the customers? Should they have? OC and San Diego are where the BIG DECISIONS are made for the rest of the country. They hold the power. Who has the power right now? Leverage over our dd and yes, you as a parent is not good for any of us? First huge decision that caused the division were all in, is the age change? Huge!!!! Why not talk with us as well and see what we would have thought and what about all the girls? Aren't we all allowed a voice in this PROCESS? I'm going to start sharing our recruiting PROCESS so I'm being transparent to all.
Justus
GOLD
Were ok with NO HS SOCCER FOR ALL. NOT, NO HS SOCCER BUT IF YOUR PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENT YOU GET A WAIVER. IF THAT WAIVER IS FOR FIANANCIAL REASONS TO HELP LOW INCOME STUDENT HAVE ACCESS AND PLAY FOR HIGH SCHOOL, ALL GOOD
Q. how many waivers were actually given out across the country this past season? Who got them and why? (just thinking some files would be around with paper work explaining why?) How many in Socal? MAP, what you do you think? I don't think it's that many to be honest.
Justus
GOLD
Justus
GOLD
Exactly why I'm here 90. You just have it all wrong and to be honest, backwards. I think I'm the "wicked dad from the east until you watch the play Wizard. I was so scared of the little monkeys and that witch from the east sacred me as a little boy. When I saw Wizard it took away my fear. When we have fear, we attack. Think about that why we all have a discussion today and tomorrow, and the next. This might be a safe place, seriously. Maybe Dom can come up with rules of the discussions. Just a thought. Kicker, I love you dude and I'm sorry for being sarcastic at times on this forum. I was fishing. Please forgive me and from my dd to yours, all good brah!!!!
Desert Hound
DA
You keep bringing up the HS waiver for some private school kids.
The rules state if they get the waiver and play, they are done for the rest of the year for DA. No more games or practice or showcases where scouts watch. To me that sounds like a disadvantage if a kid wanyto be seen and get an invite.
Go look at the rules. Done if you play HS for rest of yr
Justus
GOLD
I was told the waiver allows for DA Player to practice and play high school soccer (no da during HS) and then come back and finish DA?
Desert Hound
DA
Go read the rules.
Desert Hound
DA
Page 11 from 2019-2020 rules regarding HS soccer.
So I bet you would not want to get the same waiver for your DD if after HS soccer she was done for the yr right?
"Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the
program during the same season after participating in the high school season
with their current or a different DA Club."
So I bet you would not want to get the same waiver for your DD if after HS soccer she was done for the yr right?
"Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the
program during the same season after participating in the high school season
with their current or a different DA Club."
Rarely look at these boards these days but heard I should check out this thread.
Although we are not local to the team in question we have connections there. And although the rule states they cannot re-enter the program during the same season, these players returned and finished out the DA season right after high school season. One attends a school that does not provide any soccer scholarships ever and it was definitely not a needs based situation - not sure about the others.
Not a fan of ranting - scares people away even when the message may be important. Also, these players are not responsible for this and should not be targeted - it's the club at fault. I don't plan to get involved in this - it's not our team or our community. But the truth is that the rules were markedly bent (or blatantly ignored) so I understand the resentment regarding the double standard.
Logging off. Good luck to all and remember our DDs come first. Life is unfair, people cheat, we all have to learn to navigate.
Although we are not local to the team in question we have connections there. And although the rule states they cannot re-enter the program during the same season, these players returned and finished out the DA season right after high school season. One attends a school that does not provide any soccer scholarships ever and it was definitely not a needs based situation - not sure about the others.
Not a fan of ranting - scares people away even when the message may be important. Also, these players are not responsible for this and should not be targeted - it's the club at fault. I don't plan to get involved in this - it's not our team or our community. But the truth is that the rules were markedly bent (or blatantly ignored) so I understand the resentment regarding the double standard.
Logging off. Good luck to all and remember our DDs come first. Life is unfair, people cheat, we all have to learn to navigate.
Justus
GOLD
Keep the girls out of it. Mine had to jump into this. This is about the dads and all of u parents who want FAIRNESS TRANSPARENCY AND EQUAL ACCESS TO ALL THINGS SOCCER!!!!
dk_b
GOLD
Small correction - the bulk of Norcal has been winter HS for many years (a small part of NCS moved recently and Saq San Joaquin moved last year or year before but CCS and (the vast majority of) NCS, the more dominant sections, have been winter for some time) (the only exceptions are very small private schools). 6 states have winter HS and the remaining are split about 50-50 between fall and spring. I’ve posted this link before: https://www.nfhs.org/media/1018591/soccer-state_association_competition_dates_report_-2018-19.pdf
That’s why I would never expect US soccer to allow HS unless, as I’ve written, it decentralizes scheduling other than showcases and playoffs (like ECNL) or it adopts a special “California HS rule”, neither of which can happen. And to anticipate at least one person who might say that states should just shift to winter or we should shift - that does not take into account weather, field access, etc.
(my kid’s urban HS could not move 3 girls and 3 boys teams to fall or spring as we have one field and football, lax, rugby (boys and girls), track and field ultimate and, believe it, field hockey. Our school has a lot of sports and that may be uncommon given our demo but what is common is the factor of limited field access)
SoccerFrenzy
SILVER ELITE
Soccer is a small community and he shouldn’t have put his daughters name out there. Sorry. Remember these coaches can get bitter and some take out on the kids for parents behavior. In life not everything is fair. Politics happen everywhere. I can agree that Allowing only PS players to play DA is a complete joke and hoping what Desert hound says is correct. Let your daughter decide what she wants to do. Best of Luck to her and your family
Justus
GOLD
To all coaches and scouts in America and the world. My dd is focusing on high school and her studies. When she is a JR if she wants to, we will visit the schools on her list. We don't want to be contacted. And for the record, no college coach has ever spoke to my kid because she has never emailed one or talked on the phone with one. College coaches are not the problem, TRUST ME!!!! She can go to the college still and not play soccer right? She won't get blacklisted if she's is just a student? Maybe she goes to design school instead or starts her own biz or goes pro? My dd has so many options.