ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

[timmyh]

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I think Fact was onto something that slip my mind a few days ago. I got all worked because folks like Fact that I was trying to build a super a team so my dd could win and make da list or get #11. No No No. That's why I got a little worked up with Fact because it's the furthest from da truth. It's much worse than that. DOCs need to go.......get rid of the "middle man" in this sport quickly. Your dds will get deal without them. You don't need da "middle man." Trust me.........

Based on what I can make out from your increasingly incoherent ramblings, the Middle Man/DOC that you now seem to blame for your current "predicament" of your daughter not getting an early full ride to UCLA not only asked your daughter to put together a list of top 5 schools so that he could help her connect with them during a window of opportunity that it appears her teammates took full advantage of (meanwhile, you directed her to not participate), but even was able to have the head coach of your daughter's dream school come attend a practice of hers (which you seem to have oddly taken as a personal affront). So far in this story your "middle man" is coming across to me as being quite helpful and capable.

I don't know what to tell you, EJ, but the DOC doesn't seem to be your daughter's problem. You've gotten pages of quality advice for how to navigate the choppy waters of elite youth soccer. It's now clear that you don't want answers, but rather you want validation for your excuses.

The pantomime villain you seek to blame - the one that your daughter should be disappointed in - might live a little closer to home.

 

[espola]

Based on what I can make out from your increasingly incoherent ramblings, the Middle Man/DOC that you now seem to blame for your current "predicament" of your daughter not getting an early full ride to UCLA not only asked your daughter to put together a list of top 5 schools so that he could help her connect with them during a window of opportunity that it appears her teammates took full advantage of (meanwhile, you directed her to not participate), but even was able to have the head coach of your daughter's dream school come attend a practice of hers (which you seem to have oddly taken as a personal affront). So far in this story your "middle man" is coming across to me as being quite helpful and capable.

I don't know what to tell you, EJ, but the DOC doesn't seem to be your daughter's problem. You've gotten pages of quality advice for how to navigate the choppy waters of elite youth soccer. It's now clear that you don't want answers, but rather you want validation for your excuses.

The pantomime villain you seek to blame - the one that your daughter should be disappointed in - might live a little closer to home.

There are much nicer campuses in the UC system than UCLA.

 

[Ellejustus]

You will not find the answers you seek. Private School gets waivers why because sometimes tuition is tied into play. Public school does not. It isn't a rich man poor man scenario it is US Soccer trying to be "fair" and not eliminate or exclude ones education. Now that may be hypocritical since they exclude plenty but that is the only answer you will find.

We all have choices to make right. So no DA but she gets HS. Now if a coach has misled you that is a different talk and different post. there are options too. Why not go ECNL for your daughter. It appears the best option.

TY for kind advice sir/mam.
Q1- What if tuition is not tied to play, just that little girl wants to play with her friends too just like some of the girls who go to public school? Some say if you donate some $$$ to a building then you get waiver signed. I'm not sure, Ive never been to private schools but I know kids that did and some, not all, got what they wanted most of time
Q2 Do home school kids get a waiver?

Choice is an interesting word you used Big Soccer. You see, the DA and BIG CLUB is not giving my dd a choice to do both DA and HS Soccer if she wants to, only PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS. That's the problem we have. So it's our choice to start a discussion on this Toxic Topic. We also want ALL options to choose from just like all da and other kids that play. There is no pro contract for 99.9% of our dds. If she was a boy, then I wouldn't be on here because he would be going for da pros. It's only about college really, right? Where they have those dumb rules like running clock and subs before 1/2. BAIT & SWITCH!!!!! So sad to hear countless stories of kids flying around the country to go see da scouts in cold weather and play 30 minutes total for 3 games. Coach tells the team, "some of you this weekend will learn whats its like to sit on the bench and watch the game in 32 degree weather. This is important because when you got Unicorn U you also will be sitting da bench. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.

 

[Ellejustus]

There are much nicer campuses in the UC system than UCLA.

Everyone thinks we want UCLA. She only did when she was younger and I always had a ucla hat on too what else would you think. It was never understood you ahve to go ther. My brother was an All American Water Polo player there back when Wooden was in charge. Coach, we really need some help here. The BIG CLUB needs to flip their org chart upside down like Coach Wooden and put the freaking girls up at the top, not at the bottom!!!

 

[espola]

Everyone thinks we want UCLA. She only did when she was younger and I always had a ucla hat on too what else would you think. It was never understood you ahve to go ther. My brother was an All American Water Polo player there back when Wooden was in charge. Coach, we really need some help here. The BIG CLUB needs to flip their org chart upside down like Coach Wooden and put the freaking girls up at the top, not at the bottom!!!

Wooden was in charge of water polo?

I did not know that.

 

[Desert Hound]

TY for kind advice sir/mam.
Q1- What if tuition is not tied to play, just that little girl wants to play with her friends too just like some of the girls who go to public school? Some say if you donate some $$$ to a building then you get waiver signed. I'm not sure, Ive never been to private schools but I know kids that did and some, not all, got what they wanted most of time
Q2 Do home school kids get a waiver?

Choice is an interesting word you used Big Soccer. You see, the DA and BIG CLUB is not giving my dd a choice to do both DA and HS Soccer if she wants to, only PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS. That's the problem we have. So it's our choice to start a discussion on this Toxic Topic. We also want ALL options to choose from just like all da and other kids that play. There is no pro contract for 99.9% of our dds. If she was a boy, then I wouldn't be on here because he would be going for da pros. It's only about college really, right? Where they have those dumb rules like running clock and subs before 1/2. BAIT & SWITCH!!!!! So sad to hear countless stories of kids flying around the country to go see da scouts in cold weather and play 30 minutes total for 3 games. Coach tells the team, "some of you this weekend will learn whats its like to sit on the bench and watch the game in 32 degree weather. This is important because when you got Unicorn U you also will be sitting da bench. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.

You do have a choice. Take you kid to ECNL. She can play HS soccer. And as you and others say there is no pro contract it is college...well as we know ECNL is a great path to college. Coaches recruit heavily from ECNL.

Now to your point about waivers for HS for some private schools.
Per the rules you can get a waiver and play. However at that point you are done for the season. So I am not sure how special that exclusion is for those players. Certainly not to the degree you think it is.

"Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club."

So...since HS seems to be a big sticking point for you and your DD, put her into a club where she can play it. Everyone knows going into DA about the HS rule.

 

[Ellejustus]

Based on what I can make out from your increasingly incoherent ramblings, the Middle Man/DOC that you now seem to blame for your current "predicament" of your daughter not getting an early full ride to UCLA not only asked your daughter to put together a list of top 5 schools so that he could help her connect with them during a window of opportunity that it appears her teammates took full advantage of (meanwhile, you directed her to not participate), but even was able to have the head coach of your daughter's dream school come attend a practice of hers (which you seem to have oddly taken as a personal affront). So far in this story your "middle man" is coming across to me as being quite helpful and capable.

I don't know what to tell you, EJ, but the DOC doesn't seem to be your daughter's problem. You've gotten pages of quality advice for how to navigate the choppy waters of elite youth soccer. It's now clear that you don't want answers, but rather you want validation for your excuses.

The pantomime villain you seek to blame - the one that your daughter should be disappointed in - might live a little closer to home.

Are you serious dude? Tim, come on man. I can hook you with "middle man" if you need help. I didn't want my dd treated like a cheap date and used for others benefit. Of course my dd wan't ready for anyone to check her out. It's not about da college. Its about da list and playing HS Soccer. Lets talk about da Big Coach coming to da practice when there 12 and 13. How many practices did she go and run drills for at other clubs in SD? This was more for da BIG CLUB then for da girls. Nice for marketing to the other 10 year old cheetahs running in SD. I know lot's of folks think we blew the chance. Not me one chance.

 

[soccer661]

"You do have a choice. Take you kid to ECNL. She can play HS soccer. And as you and others say there is no pro contract it is college...well as we know ECNL is a great path to college. Coaches recruit heavily from ECNL."


YESSSSSSS.....agree with DH....the answer to all your problems.....you are so upset about DA and High school...why doesn't your DD try an good ECNL team -- LOTS of them out there....!!!??

 

[Ellejustus]

You’ve gotten them....playing the role of victim doesn’t suit you or your DD. We’ e ALL been wronged at some point in this soccer landscape.

My DD took it as a que to work harder.

If the NT is her goal, there are plenty of years ahead to accomplish this, even after ECNL or DA. What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that every girl who has made the Camps or YNT roster put in more than 4 days a week when it comes to training. Those who have a real interest in playing for a Top school, are putting in the work not only training, but in writing emails to The Coaches, attending their ID Camps and putting together highlight videos.

If you don’t put in the work to reach your goals, don’t expect the goals to come to you.

Peace out......

Best of luck to you and your DD. That’s the last words I have for you.

Kickker, what about first u14 list for our age group?????? How was that put together? I'm not saying none of the girls were deserving, I promise. I'm not jealous my kid didn;t make the cut first time or 2nd time. I want to know the inner workings with DA BIG Club and US Soccer for that year only. US Feds were trying to get clubs to join. Nice to have a little leverage you think? She still wants to play against those on da list though. Bummer

 

[Ellejustus]

Athletic scholarships for private schools are illegal according to CIF rules - except when they are not.

Something fishy out there folks

 

[Desert Hound]

Kickker, what about first u14 list for our age group?????? How was that put together? I'm not saying none of the girls were deserving, I promise. I'm not jealous my kid didn;t make the cut first time or 2nd time. I want to know the inner workings with DA BIG Club and US Soccer for that year only. US Feds were trying to get clubs to join. Nice to have a little leverage you think? She still wants to play against those on da list though. Bummer

How was the list put together?

Easy. Like any other group or team that is put together. Coaches look and evaluate. That means it is very subjective overall. Some kids just stand out. Lots are close in skills to others that didn't make. Why didn't those with similar skills or possibly better skills make it? Because these types of processes are always going to be subjective.

 

[Ellejustus]

How was the list put together?

Easy. Like any other group or team that is put together. Coaches look and evaluate. That means it is very subjective overall. Some kids just stand

TY for response. How were (12) 05's Picked? Scouts? Where? No league? No ODP for them and many of 04s were no shows because BIG CLUB SAID DON'T GO. For the record, my dd said "screw you" and went for it anyways even though her mentors at da club said its a waste of time and it's all about TC now. More on that later with the old DOC. She made it to last group but got cut on last day. So no trip to AZ and represent Cal South. She was bummed but learned from it for sure. That seem more of a fair process. I'm sure Cal South loved that the BIG CLUB threw them under the bus like that telling all its Unicorns not to participate, capitalism at its finest. BTW, the other girls were more deserving and played great. Has anyone ever talked to all the BIG DOCS like I got to in the last 12 months or so????? I took lots of notes because I was more confused than you could imagine. That's why I'm on here to sort it all out in the open. Isn't that what forums are for? You know why they called right? Because my dd decided to play ECNL last year so she could play HS SOCCER
I gave first shot to the new BIG CLUB DOC because he asked for a minute of my time and I figured it's the least I can do.
BIG DOC: So why does dd want leave the DA?
Dad: She didn't make the list and DA won't allow for HS Soccer
DOC: That list is a joke. Half those girls have no biz on there........blah blah.
DOC: Its all about college anyways
Dad: No, for my dd it's about da list and HS Soccer Now
DOC: OK, Ok, Ok. Listen, we can put dd on the 01 ECNL team that way she can be challenged
Dad: No thanks. Thanks for your time and good luck to the girls. She will miss them
Dad later laying in bed. "why did BIG NEW CLUB DOC tell me to play ECNL when it was going away sooner than a fart in da wind? Maybe he was clueless. I already talked with old BIG DOC and higher ups and they all told me DA OR ECNL. Deals were closed, sign and delievered and we know who they picked and got nice reward for it just like neighbor down the street. Why mislead a stupid dad trying to find his dd a team to play on. Poor 03s. Horrible to treat customers like this. But its all FREE.

The next BIG CLUB I went to Magic was getting into so I had to check this out. Showtime baby. No offense Kicker, I like Showtime and with Magic and Mia how could I pass the invite of a life time. I will come back tomorrow for da rest of da story.

Suport Email for the developers
DADADS@practtice4daysaweekvideowatchsoccertvandtrainforbigsquadcallup.com

 

[Justafan]

Based on what I can make out from your increasingly incoherent ramblings, the Middle Man/DOC that you now seem to blame for your current "predicament" of your daughter not getting an early full ride to UCLA not only asked your daughter to put together a list of top 5 schools so that he could help her connect with them during a window of opportunity that it appears her teammates took full advantage of (meanwhile, you directed her to not participate), but even was able to have the head coach of your daughter's dream school come attend a practice of hers (which you seem to have oddly taken as a personal affront). So far in this story your "middle man" is coming across to me as being quite helpful and capable.

I don't know what to tell you, EJ, but the DOC doesn't seem to be your daughter's problem. You've gotten pages of quality advice for how to navigate the choppy waters of elite youth soccer. It's now clear that you don't want answers, but rather you want validation for your excuses.

The pantomime villain you seek to blame - the one that your daughter should be disappointed in - might live a little closer to home.

Can you write my autobiography?

 

[Justafan]

All those in favor of an intervention on EJ say aye.

 

[Ellejustus]

All those in favor of an intervention on EJ say aye.

Mock me all you want DADADS. This is all about college for you and I get it. Equal access brah!!! Why would a competitor start a competition to win spot when the process is freaking Corrupt. Sorry to rain on your college parade folks but this is bad stuff. I know because I lived it and so did my dd. Its about a dream to make da list and play for her local high school too. She should be afforded the opportunity to both. What is so wrong about that? Bring it on boys. I know DA BIG CLUB IS ON HERE. Talk to me guys???????

 

[myself]

Mock me all you want DADADS. This is all about college for you and I get it. Equal access brah!!! Why would a competitor start a competition to win spot when the process is freaking Corrupt. Sorry to rain on your college parade folks but this is bad stuff. I know because I lived it and so did my dd. Its about a dream to make da list and play for her local high school too. She should be afforded the opportunity to both. What is so wrong about that? Bring it on boys. I know DA BIG CLUB IS ON HERE. Talk to me guys???????

What is your obsession with DA?

 

[Messi>CR7]

Mock me all you want DADADS. This is all about college for you and I get it. Equal access brah!!! Why would a competitor start a competition to win spot when the process is freaking Corrupt. Sorry to rain on your college parade folks but this is bad stuff. I know because I lived it and so did my dd. Its about a dream to make da list and play for her local high school too. She should be afforded the opportunity to both. What is so wrong about that? Bring it on boys. I know DA BIG CLUB IS ON HERE. Talk to me guys???????

 

[Ellejustus]

Were not trying to play in the DA. We will never play in the FREE DA league that makes 12 and 13 year olds world cup players for FREE!!!!. I don't think we would be welcomed even if we tried. However, I still would like her to be scouted like other DA Private school educated kids with smart dads with money. Please US SOCCER FEDERATION and BIG CLUB have some sort program for the other 1/3 of the country and some us other folks in da other leagues. Please share the process with us so we can prepare to like all the other future pro players at the DA. My dd has a goal. MAPs dd had goals and has pretty achieved them all up to this point. My dd wants to make da list and play on da BIG SQUAD someday. She's asking for a little guidance as she prepares for HS. I was told by higher up at BIG CLUB that it was a "pipe dream" and to only foucs on the deal at college. But my dd wants to make da list. I saw BIG CLUB advertisng at BIG CLUB tourney and said something about "following your dreams" and it made me think about what higher up dad said to me. I'm confused with the messaging from BIG CLUB and US SOCCER FEDERATION. please help me. Someone, anyone please. TY

 

[LASTMAN14]

Mock me all you want DADADS. This is all about college for you and I get it. Equal access brah!!! Why would a competitor start a competition to win spot when the process is freaking Corrupt. Sorry to rain on your college parade folks but this is bad stuff. I know because I lived it and so did my dd. Its about a dream to make da list and play for her local high school too. She should be afforded the opportunity to both. What is so wrong about that? Bring it on boys. I know DA BIG CLUB IS ON HERE. Talk to me guys???????

 

[Ellejustus]

What is your obsession with DA?

Dirty, impatient, disregard for our girls and much more. I will not promote this Toxic soccer anymore. Get your degrees fast folks. $$$ is draing quickly

 

[Soccer43]

You are a big drama queen, looking for a lot of attention and it is getting boring. I hope you aren't as whiny in real life.