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Does the 12-oz lift count? It was incredibly competitive.
ECNL. The C stands for Cartel
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Does the 12-oz lift count? It was incredibly competitive.
ECNL has essentially nothing for the Central Valley girls. A few make the drive to Mustang or MVLA, but it's a huge hole in the map.
Meanwhile, Marin and Sonoma county each get their own club. Plus one for Davis and two for Sacramento.
It makes sense if you ask "who can pay for a three night hotel stay in Phoenix?". But it makes no sense if you want to know "where are there enough good athletes to field a strong team?"
lol. sounds about right
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Dude I amended my answer to say "lower" and said you had a point. That I should have made it relative instead of objective and that I didn't mean to imply it was a no skill position. You wouldn't take the win. I then asked you if you seriously considered a linesman as technically skilled as a soccer player or even a QB and you doubled down on it. Which I then proceeded to call a ridiculous statement, based on everything that's been thrown up here, and where you have thrown up nothing. You are right on the former, you are wrong on the latter. If you are now climbing down from that, we may have actually hit agreement.
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I agree with grace amending it to lowER skilled, wrong if grace thinks linemen require no or little skills. football at all positions require skills, some more so than others. And I'd have to say soccer is more of a skilled sport than football is overall. Or else we'd see more successful cross overs but we don't. Usually its from another sport to football where we see success and that's because athleticism is the most important attribute in american football.
Grace, I applaud you for your effort, and I'm astounded with your patience! Mahe, who didn't play a single snap of football since peewee, got a scholarship to play O-line at UCLA because he had an enormous amount of muscle mass ... and because the UCLA coaches understood that the position requires RELATIVELY less sport-specific skill. Nothing against linemen - they're great! And I'd love to be wrong, but someone show me some athletes who went from not playing soccer since age 12 straight onto an elite team one step away from the highest tier of the sport.
This!!!
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RandomSoccerFan
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Climbing down from your strawman argument is never going to be necessary or appropriate. I neither posited, posted, implied, or even believed that a lineman (playing at the same level) has the exact same skill as a qb (playing at the same level). These were your words, not mine - just read the posts.
While this is a soccer board (had to recheck the URL), and any objectivity is going to go out the window even if we didn't want it to, it is absurd to call one sport requiring more skill than another - and it's specifically absurd to call players of any sport at the highest level as low skilled. One thing that is conveniently ignored is that the skill involved in playing football - regardless the position, regardless the level, is valued by many times over compared so most other sports. We can see this all over the country, where high schools spend untold budgets building football stadiums, let alone colleges. States/cities fight over football stadiums and fall over themselves to give hundreds of millions of dollars away. In comparison, soccer is right there with the band and field hockey in terms of budget. All require skill, one skill is clearly more highly valued.
I'll likely be off for a few days. We are leaving shortly for a tournament weekend in Phoenix - where neither soccer nor football will demonstrate their skill superiority, but it should be fun to watch kids play basketball. Hope all have as fun and entertaining weekend!
That right there is the problem. a. Soccer does require more technical skill than a linesman. b. The QB position (which you seem to be conceding now) requires more technical skill than a linesman. Logically if you accept b. but not a. then that means you actually think soccer and a football linesman have equivalent technical skills. That's nonsense. Again, my nephew can walk on as a DE (not even a linesman) as a freshman with minimal experience. He could not do so for the soccer program at his school or on any (except maybe the Latino league team) of my son's teams.
It's ignored because it's irrelevant. That was already addressed. The money can be a function of other things such as body size, the impact the position makes, and athleticism. Football requires way more strength and a particular type of athleticism than does soccer. You see the converse in soccer BTW, as laid out in the soccernomics books. Goalkeeper is harder position to master. You need to be great in the modern game not just as a field player but you have all the additional skills of a goalkeeper on top of it. Goalkeepers are paid way less the strikers, less than a marquee playmaker, less than a centerback. Why? because the position is less valuable to the outcome....a goalkeeper can cost you the game, but he can't win it for you, and there's quite a bit of stuff that even the best goalkeeper won't have any impact on.
A far more interest (and open) question is where basketball fits on the skill hierarchy. My nephew's second sport is basketball. His school is lower ranked in basketball (only top 40) than football (top 20 SoCal). He has way more experience in basketball, having played rec ball until 12 and then a year and a half (because of COVID) club ball on what we would consider the equivalent of pre letter league. He has the nature height and physique for the forward role, which unlike guards, his school doesn't have a ton of. He was assigned the JV B team freshman year and this year dresses varsity but plays JV. Have fun.
Soccer, D1, and two years pro after…Goalkeeper. 6’1 and wish I would have been 6’4 - 6’5.
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Wow, I started this thread because I wanted to vent about how much I hate the ECNL and their Cartel like hold on soccer (specifically girls) here in the US.
I feel like now the thread has beaten a dead horse, gone back in to the barn grabbed two more and a mule and commenced beating them to death too.
I am just glad my 2024 daughter is making a decision on her school tomorrow and committing. I may drop back on the thread in the future for my .02 but I'll leave you guys to go at it.
I feel like now the thread has beaten a dead horse, gone back in to the barn grabbed two more and a mule and commenced beating them to death too.
I am just glad my 2024 daughter is making a decision on her school tomorrow and committing. I may drop back on the thread in the future for my .02 but I'll leave you guys to go at it.
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If you don't like ECNL what do you propose replaces it?
The only thing that I've seen has a chance at challenging ECNL is if a small group of top clubs got together and formed some kind of super league like what MLS NEXT has done on the boys/mens side. GA is an annoyance but it's basically doing the same thing a ECNL.
I think that over time the Academy model will happen in the US for both men and women. But, it will only catch on at the highest levels. There's too many parents that are willing and able to pay to play.
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Of course the ratings of a team ranked 50th vs 51st is probably going to have a close rating. But if you compair 40th vs 50th who knows. They could have a very close rating, or be far apart. Having both the Ranking and Rating in a chart makes it clear when the teams are closely matched, and where the variation starts.
If you take out the Academy teams, the average will change. But then it's manipulated data. You can manipulate the data on any league to reach the outcome you want to see. If we are compairing leagues, then you have to own all the teams that play in the league (MLS Academy teams play league games against MLS Next teams) What I meant about MLS teams being better, is exactly what I said: "the numbers suggest if the average MLS team played the average ECNL team 100 times, MLS Next would win 1-0 20 times and tie 80 times." Logically that would apply to the top MLS team vs. the Top ECNL, and the worst MLS team vs. the worst ECNL team; in reality the outliers of the leagues are not going to fit the 'average' results. But we already can see what will happen when matching up individual teams (the SR App provides that).
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Yes, all of California. In order to create a League Average, you have to include all teams. Including all teams does not "throw off" an "Average Calculation." It may not show the results you expected to see, but that is how data works some times. When two groups have a different Field of Data (the quantity of teams in one league is different than the quantity of teams in the other), you can choose to compair percentages instead. The top 10% vs the top 10%; SR has done this in the past and the results didn't have any significant difference from the average calculation of all teams. Which indicates the data and rankings are correct. You can't just compair the top 5 teams of one league against the top 5 teams of another league if the 'Field of Data' is not equal; you may end up compairing the top 10% of one league against 60% of another. If the leagues have the same number of teams, sure, you can compair the top 5 against top 5; otherwise if is more accurate to use top 5% against top 5%.
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The simple solution would be to drop all these "National League" scams (ECNL, MLS, GA, 64, etc.) and just play in the local leagues. Just have to convince the parents of tge youngers that they are facing a group con that requires the entire group turn thier backs on playing in the leagues.
Might be a scam, but ECNL gives your kid the best shot of being scouted. We had a minimum of at least 30 coaches/colleges per game in Phoenix a couple months ago...19 of our 34 kids are committed and some are still juniors in high school. You guys might not like how it works, but it's the only show in town. Not too many scouts/colleges are really going to high school games to recruit kids anymore. They're under the impression that ECNL, especially, and other leagues have done all the weeding out process...
"29 of our 34" wasn't able to edit it for some reason..