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[watfly]

People can define it to either offend terribly or be completely anodyne, and the lack of that definition is what causes the eyerolls. If skill is defined as inherent or learned, it means one thing. If it means that all other attributes (body shape/size, effort, commitment) are not applicable in the comparison, it means other things.

An offensive statement is saying, without any caveat or clarification, that an all-pro quarterback is more skilled than an all-pro linebacker. Or an all-pro running back is more skilled than an all-pro left tackle. All of those statements, as written, should be and would be pushed back against by anyone who follows football.

An inoffensive statement is saying - one sport requires many more years of practice to achieve some level of success, while another someone who has the other qualifications can step in at a reasonable level with much less (or even no) years of practice. Of course that is the case for football kickers. And someone who fits the other qualifications for various positions may do OK when joining later in life.

An offensive statement is "soccer requires more skill than football". An inoffensive statement is "soccer players rarely join later in life at the top levels, while it is more common in some other sports".

Assuming the former or the latter in all of these is the difference in mostly agreeing, or unintentionally/intentionally offending.

"soccer requires more skill than football". Is that an actually an offensive statement, or does someone just find it offensive? There's a big difference in today's world. Seems like a good-faith opinion that offended someone. Over-generalization perhaps, but not much more.

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

"soccer requires more skill than football". Is that an actually an offensive statement, or does someone just find it offensive? There's a big difference in today's world. Seems like a good-faith opinion that offended someone. Over-generalization perhaps, but not much more.

Depends how someone defines skill, as stated. Some might think it's much harder to play football. Some might thing it's much harder to play soccer. It might depend on whether one is talking about middle-school rec ball, or NFL vs. the Premier League.

 

[Larzby]

Depends how someone defines skill, as stated. Some might think it's much harder to play football. Some might thing it's much harder to play soccer. It might depend on whether one is talking about middle-school rec ball, or NFL vs. the Premier League.

It does depend on the definition of the word "skill" and in my opinion is was quite obvious that in Grace's commentary above she meant the latter definition (the "non-offensive" one ) but if it wasn't clear from the first post she made it idiot-proof in her dozens of comments afterwards, but that wasn't enough for some.

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

It does depend on the definition of the word "skill" and in my opinion is was quite obvious that in Grace's commentary above she meant the latter definition (the "non-offensive" one ) but if it wasn't clear from the first post she made it idiot-proof in her dozens of comments afterwards, but that wasn't enough for some.

In my opinion, she accused others of backtracking and doubling down, and you are giving unclear posts a very generous benefit of doubt.

 

[Grace T.]

In my opinion, she accused others of backtracking and doubling down, and you are giving unclear posts a very generous benefit of doubt.

I very clearly conceded I was unclear and revised once my error was pointed out to me. If that's backtracking so be it...when someone is right I have no ego, so happy to tell them so.

You, rather than take the win, went from football is still a skilled sport even if some positions are lower skilled technically (and therefore easier to pickup), to the lineman positions are highly skilled relative to other sports and positions. I did expressly put the question of the lineman towards you. That's called doubling down.