D1 college soccer under threat

MacDre said:
Sorry. I chose the wrong song. Here you go:

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How come there's never any RAP videos of getting up early and going to work? Maybe going to school? Playing sports? Helping a little old lady across the street? You think maybe there's some self induced oppression and self pity there? Always plenty of guys sitting around smoking weed, throwing gang signs and drinking. Maybe see about making a video without 9 gold chains?

And by the way, this is fucking horrible, too. Auto tune should be outlawed everywhere.
 
The Outlaw said:
How come there's never any RAP videos of getting up early and going to work? Maybe going to school? Playing sports? Helping a little old lady across the street? You think maybe there's some self induced oppression and self pity there? Always plenty of guys sitting around smoking weed, throwing gang signs and drinking. Maybe see about making a video without 9 gold chains?

And by the way, this is fucking horrible, too. Auto tune should be outlawed everywhere.
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They are storytelling and making good money. It’s entertainment kinda like scarface and godfather movies. Some of it’s negative, some is party music, Drake is mainstream. I just relate to the stories in underground rap. I don’t like the water down commercial stuff on the radio.
 
dad4 said:
I prefer Sketches of Spain, Professor Longhair, or Dr. John. But that's just me.
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I like that stuff too, I just associate it with my grandparents. My regret about rap is that it’s rare for kids to play instruments in the hood now.
Rap is very personal for me. Because I grew up with many pioneers of the industry. Every time I hear someone say HATER I smile inside because I see the ability of my little community to influence the world. All these fancy folk trying to be cool by acting like my friends and I. I understand most don’t understand me. Hater wasn’t a word before this song.

 
Just because I said you should be banned doesn’t mean I am a hater. Don‘t jump to conclusions. I can think your opinion about college soccer is ridiculous especially for a member of this forum and still like you. Give yourself a chance!
 
Men’s college soccer finds itself in a strange, fragile spot
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Boehm: Men’s college soccer finds itself in a strange, fragile spot
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Soccer is a “non-revenue sport,” in the NCAA’s cynical parlance, and that group is squarely in the crosshairs right now. This crisis has already robbed member schools of one massive income source, its college basketball tournament, and threatens another: the fall gridiron football season. Just like the proverbial grass that suffers most when elephants fight, if that money dries up, even in part, it’s the smaller sports that will feel the sting.
 
NCAA statement last night...

“Higher education is facing unique challenges, and the Division I leadership believes it’s appropriate to examine areas in which rules can be relaxed or amended to provide flexibility for schools and conferences,” Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Pennsylvania, said in the statement. “We will prioritize student-athlete well-being and opportunities balanced with reducing costs associated with administering college sports, but a blanket waiver of sport sponsorship requirements is not in keeping with our values and will not be considered.”

DI Council continues COVID-19 impact discussions

The Division I Council spent much of its meeting Friday discussing the effect of the COVID-19 pandemic on student-athletes, schools and conferences. Recognizing
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Colleges need to sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity sports in order to maintain their D1 status.

#varsity sports for the following colleges according to wilkepedia:

30 Cal
17 Pacific
20 Santa Clara
17 Pepperdine
25 UCLA
22 Fresno state
19 SDSU

If the fall semester is canceled, football canceled I expect cuts to be made on sports programs.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
Colleges need to sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity sports in order to maintain their D1 status.

#varsity sports for the following colleges according to wilkepedia:

30 Cal
17 Pacific
20 Santa Clara
17 Pepperdine
25 UCLA
22 Fresno state
19 SDSU

If the fall semester is canceled, football canceled I expect cuts to be made on sports programs.
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From those ncca minutes yesterday:

"While several legislative changes will be considered for blanket waivers, the Council indicated that sport sponsorship minimums should be removed from that list. Schools still can request sport sponsorship requirement waivers on an individual basis.

The other elements of the waiver request, including scheduling and summer access requirements, will be considered over the next few weeks"

Good move for the no on the blanket requests but sponsorship requirement waivers on a individual basis will be forthcoming and/or some will be dropped to the minimums.

Don't see anyway around this problem currently, the AD's and schools are faced with a bunch of tough choices. football revenue will be way off if they manage to have some sort of limited season and/or closed off games.
 
SBFDad said:
NCAA statement last night...

“Higher education is facing unique challenges, and the Division I leadership believes it’s appropriate to examine areas in which rules can be relaxed or amended to provide flexibility for schools and conferences,” Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Pennsylvania, said in the statement. “We will prioritize student-athlete well-being and opportunities balanced with reducing costs associated with administering college sports, but a blanket waiver of sport sponsorship requirements is not in keeping with our values and will not be considered.”

DI Council continues COVID-19 impact discussions

The Division I Council spent much of its meeting Friday discussing the effect of the COVID-19 pandemic on student-athletes, schools and conferences. Recognizing
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It seems the NCAA is not afraid of a tsunami of paperwork and lawsuits. Since the proposal was supported by a majority of the conferences, but this part was taken out by the Council, that smells of Power-5 antidemocracy.
 
dad4 said:
To be fair, I have a hard time justifying the use of student fees to support athletics. Raises the cost to those who just want a degree.

I did play a sport during college, and had a great time. But I don't see how most other students benefited from my use of their fees.
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We should get rid of engineering majors because it raises the cost of tuition and most students don’t benefit from it. We should get rid of the student newspaper because it raises tuition and most students don’t benefit from it. We should get rid of the student gyms because it raises tuition and most students don’t benefit from it. Why should the vegans have to subsidize all the meat and bread provided in the dorm cafeterias?
 
MacDre said:
Thanks for your input. I’m not cynical or self-centered but my views are colored by my personal experience. I have never met a young basketball or football player from my hood that doesn’t want to go pro. I guess in the hood we separate the scholars from the athletes fairly early.


And what happens to those that flame out. What about those that never got a start. You take away some of the sports you knock out a certain amount of people not going to school. I have kids who play for me that may not be motivated at school without sport. The ticket would be getting soccer scholarships and educational funds that offset the ultimate cost of an education. MacDre you are good with leaving those kids behind.
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MacDre said:
It’s all about our complicated history. It is what it is. My life is great. I’m trying to find solutions to help kids. I’m not an expert.
But I think there’s problems with access in soccer and I don’t like the system.
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Here is the Truth @MacDre . You do not like soccer in America and you daughter is on a pro path in Mexico. What if she doesn't cut it. Would you want her to play the highest level she could or are you willing to tell her to quit after her senior year of private school.
What about my son who loves the sport? Has a good grade point average, we have some money saved and if he gets part of the small amount of a soccer scholarship it could help. It may also help with one of his top fives schools. Are you saying you are the one willing to say sucks to be you?
 
dad4 said:
To be fair, club soccer as a college fund is a sucker’s bet.

If you don’t believe me, add up total soccer scholarship money per year for all schools. Then add up total club fees per year for all clubs. It’s not even close.

As for admissions, if your goal is getting into college and doing well there, hitting the books seems a lot more direct.
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Bingo! You are exactly right. The ROI makes no sense in terms of dollars when spending 5 years of ECNL/DA to get a scholarship. There are exceptions for the very elite but that’s a small group


Do it for love of the sport but not for the scholarships because moving forward it’s going to be tougher to chase those scholarships.

I have two recent examples of nephews/ friends that spent so much on DA/ECNL to find challenges in college soccer. My niece was getting offered a scholarship at San Marcos (CSU ) but she was told to change her major because Nursing was going to interfere with soccer practices. She just focused on nursing.


My neighbor had few scholarships coming out as a starting goalie for Seattle Sounders academy. The parents focused on academics so he went to Harvard. He played in his freshman year but when he asked to miss 2 practices a month to attend a business club meeting at school, they said no. No exceptions because soccer was very important. He quit soccer and focused on academics.
 
Couple things.... WCC is a conference without football so mens soccer should remain strong in that conference. Olympic Sports often raise money through foundations to offset costs so if there were funds left over do you funnel that into the general athletic fund (seems fair).

College sports provide opportunities for all. I have examples young men and women of all racial backgrounds who would not attend college if it wasn't for sport. Once they get to college, it is their job to take advantage of their education. Many find that a college degree is importand and go back to finish their degree after they go pro before they graduate. Some with pro aspirations stay in school and become successful because they found out the importance of education. But again MacDre doesn't believe in the late bloomer theory.
 
MacDre said:
I have family that are cops and they’ll tell you that there are serious problems. If you would’ve watched the Netflix documentary recommended you’d know that the prison system is modern day slavery. I also am well aware that defendant’s from my hood don’t get the same type of defense as the defendants in the Wellcare fraud case that I worked on for years.
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1. Prison is not slavery. 99% of people in prison earned the right to be there. Right and wrong is not determined by skin color.
2. Why should you get the same defense? If you want a good lawyer, earn the money to pay one or stay the fuck out of jail. Pretty simple.
 
I think we should get rid of Pocahontas Warren because she wants to eliminate student debt after being paid $400k to teach a single class for 4 semesters.
 
I am NOT good with leaving any kid behind.
I am however calling on the soccer community to think critically about how they are going to incorporate soccer players from the same communities as the basketball and football who apparently make college sports possible.

I also think when this disenfranchised community is incorporated into the game, soccer will be just as entertaining as basketball and football-then scholarships will be available to all.
 
vegasguy said:
Here is the Truth @MacDre . You do not like soccer in America and you daughter is on a pro path in Mexico. What if she doesn't cut it. Would you want her to play the highest level she could or are you willing to tell her to quit after her senior year of private school.
What about my son who loves the sport? Has a good grade point average, we have some money saved and if he gets part of the small amount of a soccer scholarship it could help. It may also help with one of his top fives schools. Are you saying you are the one willing to say sucks to be you?
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I don’t want to limit opportunities. I want to include more people.
I also would like your kids to have access to a professional environment too. I don’t dislike soccer here, I want a better environment for all kids.
 
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